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#61 taxi

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

Who said I was quoting the Dairy board?

FWIW, I'm not disputing that what you said does have an effect on Canadian prices but did you also include the massive corn subsidies (feed) in the US and their effect on dairy prices in your "calculations"?


Then you should include the massive Canadian agricultural subsidies too.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:08 PM

Somebody's been watching way too much "House"....


You mean I've been going to the Arizona Mayo Clinic etc while you're making T.V. referrences.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:11 PM

You mean I've been going to the Arizona Mayo Clinic etc while you're making T.V. referrences.



Right. That magical place where they can diagnose diseases that Canadian doctors have never heard of...

...if, that is, you can afford the prohibitive expense...
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:55 PM

Right. That magical place where they can diagnose diseases that Canadian doctors have never heard of...

...if, that is, you can afford the prohibitive expense...


What's expensive is dying or watching your life go by because the beer leaguers can't get it done.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:57 PM

...and their are surely people who could afford even better medical care than what you paid for. That in no way illustrates a failure of socialized medicine for the masses. It illustrates how anyone can buy a better level of health care if they have the means. Good for you.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:46 AM

Then you should include the massive Canadian agricultural subsidies too.

In the recent budget negotiations in Washington the Republicans threatened to eliminate farm subsidies. The dairy industry's response was that the price of a gallon of milk would rise to $9.00.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

...and their are surely people who could afford even better medical care than what you paid for. That in no way illustrates a failure of socialized medicine for the masses. It illustrates how anyone can buy a better level of health care if they have the means. Good for you.

There are pros and cons to each system. In Canada, most Canadians have no clue how much their healthcare actually costs because they "never" see the bill. If they realized that it could cost $4,000 for an ER visit for a stomach ache, they may choose to go to their family doctor first.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:54 PM

What's expensive is dying or watching your life go by because the beer leaguers can't get it done.

Yes, it's just so unfortunate that you have to live in such a backwater country, in constant fear of contracting a disease beyond the skills of Canadian quacks, instead of this fantasyland you see in your dreams, where magical American doctors can cure anything (for a price) and everyone is free to carry any kind of gun they wish, just in case they are attacked by random groups of "thugs".

I'm sure we'll all just as disappointed as you, that you're stuck here in this third-world dump...
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:00 PM

The healthcare system is fast if you have good insurance and a means to pay. I had a medical problem earlier this week. On Tuesday I went to ER, had a CT scan, was stabilized, and then sent home with instructions to see my family doctor the next morning. I saw my family doctor on Wednesday who then sent to me the specialist on Thursday. I saw the specialist and last night I had surgery in a private hospital. I am at home doing okay. Too bad I have to go in for another surgery in two weeks. At least I will still be able to go and see the Canucks play next Thursday in Dallas. Without insurance this would cost at least $60,000 before all is said and done. Thank God we have good medical insurance with very low copays.


Even I didn't have insurance I would gladly pay $60K for prompt attention, I'm well over that now for my issues, including the recent loss of $40K due to extended medical leave.

$60K would be chump change to me if I lived in low cost place like Texas.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 05:26 PM

There are pros and cons to each system. In Canada, most Canadians have no clue how much their healthcare actually costs because they "never" see the bill. If they realized that it could cost $4,000 for an ER visit for a stomach ache, they may choose to go to their family doctor first.

Actually in the US I got a $12,000 bill for "stomach ache" over a Thanksgiving holiday weekend, where they made sure to do an EKG and all of that other stuff to make sure my upset stomach problems weren't in fact a heart attack. The wait for that machine and for the doctor to make his rounds had me in the ER (since doctors offices were closed) for roughly 9 hours.

While the cost in Canada is steep, it's not as steep as the US, nor as out of control.

Many in the US criticise what they call "taxes" and a supposed lack of personal control of funds or choice on health matters or their wallet but don't understand that government already has them by the balls on those anyways. While my ideal system has no government involvement, that's simply not how things are done in the real world, so the next best thing is a cost-controlled system that does what private healthcare systems like that of the US cannot.

Edited by zaibatsu, 16 February 2013 - 05:35 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:23 PM

Funny, how Canada's medical system is rated as the 30th best in the world and 10th in cost per ca pita whereas the US is rated 38th in quality and they spend more per ca pita than anywhere else in the whole world.

http://en.wikipedia...._health_systems

Edited by hudson bay rules, 16 February 2013 - 07:33 PM.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:28 PM

Funny, how Canada's medical system is rated as the 30th best in the world and 10th in cost per ca pita whereas the US is rated 38th in quality and they spend more per ca pita than anywhere else in the whole world.

http://en.wikipedia...._health_systems

I think the point being made by the USA cheerleaders is that the American system is good, just so long as you're lucky enough to be part of the 47%.

If you're in the other 53%, it sucks to be you.

But hey, we all know that it's your own fault if you're poor, isn't it?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:34 PM

I think the point being made by the USA cheerleaders is that the American system is good, just so long as you're lucky enough to be part of the 47%.

If you're in the other 53%, it sucks to be you.

But hey, we all know that it's your own fault if you're poor, isn't it?


In what country doesn't it suck to be a loser, other than Canada?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

In what country doesn't it suck to be a loser, other than Canada?

I suppose it depends on your definition of "loser". Most nations, (other than the so-called "greatest country in the world") don't consider someone a "loser", just because they don't have an extra 60 grand lying around.

The rest of the civilized world consider basic healthcare to be a right, rather than carrying any type of gun around, anytime and anywhere they want.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:37 PM

I think the point being made by the USA cheerleaders is that the American system is good, just so long as you're lucky enough to be part of the 47%.

If you're in the other 53%, it sucks to be you.

But hey, we all know that it's your own fault if you're poor, isn't it?

Thank you Mitt... errrr RUPERTKBD.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

In what country doesn't it suck to be a loser, other than Canada?

The irony inherent in that post is delicious and proves the point being made by RUPERTKBD.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:45 PM

There wouldn't be a civilized world, or at least nearly as much money to spend on social programs, without the U.S.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

There wouldn't be a civilized world, or at least nearly as much money to spend on social programs, without the U.S.


I'll probably regret this but:
Please elaborate.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

There wouldn't be a civilized world, or at least nearly as much money to spend on social programs, without the U.S.

Yeah, and there would be a lot less arrogance and self-importance as well....
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:11 PM

Yeah, and there would be a lot less arrogance and self-importance as well....

And fewer guns???
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:24 PM

I'll probably regret this but:
Please elaborate.


Do you see the Axis Powers or the USSR calling the shots anywhere?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:26 PM

And fewer guns???
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About 300 million fewer.....and a lot fewer people looking to use them at the slightest threat, either real, or imagined...
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

About 300 million fewer.....and a lot fewer people looking to use them at the slightest threat, either real, or imagined...


There'd be lot more Mao, Stalin and Hitlers running the show though, bit of a downside.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

Yeah we get it, America stinks.. Canada is the best.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:54 PM

Yeah we get it, America stinks.. Canada is the best.

You've got that backwards Z (as usual)

If you'd bothered to read Electro Rock's blathering, you'd see that most of the people are disagreeing with his predictable take that "America is the greatest!" and "Canada sucks!"
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

Do you see the Axis Powers or the USSR calling the shots anywhere?


you do know that America sat on the sidelines of world war 2 for 2 years don't you? And if not for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour may not have gone to war at all? I am aware that prior to America joining in the fighting they were supplying and selling as well as leasing material to Britain but how much credit can you want for being a parts suplier?
Now after America got into the fray it did do a damm good job and I in no way belittle the efforts and sacrifices of those that lost lives in that conflict.
I just have a problem with the perception that without the states the "civilized" world would be gone.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 06:03 PM

So guys.... how about that price difference across the border, eh?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 06:20 PM

Anyone notice a milk price drop/war lately?

I picked up some milk the other day for $3.99 that is usually $5.50 for 4 litres and regular milk that is usually $4.39 for 4 litres was selling for $3.69.

I'm in T.O. BTW.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 06:48 PM

I'll probably regret this but:
Please elaborate.

You son of a...

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

My friend just came back from from the States. Purchased a pair of Nike Cleats from the NIke Store. 15 bucks.
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