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#1 Bananas

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:02 AM

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Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen, possibly the fastest line in the NHL, has put up an impressive show since it was put together. I've been waiting for a good, speedy line like this since we had Grabner. I was sad to see him go, for sure, but it is what it is.

Anywho, not only do I like the way the speed meshes with this line, but also the overall skill sets. All three of these players play a solid 200 ft. game. Strong in the defensive zone, a real nightmare in the neutral zone, and hard on the forecheck. They make the game substantially easier on the defensemen, and ultimately the goaltender, whoever it may be.

It's good to see their individual perks show signs of chemistry, and fill needs on the team.

Raymond - He's not the same this year. He's better! He's finally learned a few things that we, as we all know, thought he needed to work on. If the shot is at a bad angle, pass it instead. And boy has he made some nice passes recently! It's refreshing to see him make use of his skills, which also include using his speed to get open for good scoring chances, and getting around defenders and into the dirtier areas. He's not playing as timid anymore, and it's great to see.

Hansen - Same ol' same ol', which is a good thing. He gives 110% every game, and it shows; and as usual, he is rewarded with production. His forechecking is the undisputed best on this team, and even though his passes don't always look pretty, they are effective. He generates chances out of simple forechecks in addition to those he creates from his speed. The best part of all is that he is showing some good hands out there, with some solid finishes.

Schroeder - Very reassuring to see how this guy has been performing. I know a lot of people were worried about his size, as well as his numbers in the AHL. In spite of that, he is showing why his rankings were where they were upon draft, and why he came to us in the first round. Surprisingly effective along the boards, he even hangs out in front of the net! Very good vision and passing, Schroeder is making plays where we would typically see the puck randomly thrown at the boards instead. I really like how he brings an individual dynamic to this team.

All in all, I'm really glad to see this line click, because all of these players have been looking for something like this. Raymond was having all sorts of problems the last couple of years, and even Hansen was having trouble finding chemistry. Rather, his successes were coming as a result of his sustained effort.

I'm also really happy to see that Schroeder has managed to come into the NHL so smoothly and find a niche. He's presented himself as a necessity to this team; he puts Gillis and AV in a position where they will think twice about who goes down when Booth and Kesler return. I, for one, hope it's not Schroeder who goes, but rather Ebbett and maybe one of the extra D-men.

Very happy to see this line click!
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:13 AM

It definitely is a fun line to watch.

I'm not 100% certain that they'll be as effective in the playoffs, however. Time will tell...
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:17 AM

It definitely is a fun line to watch.

I'm not 100% certain that they'll be as effective in the playoffs, however. Time will tell...


I believe that will be contingent on Raymond, to be honest. Hansen is known to play hard in the play-offs, and Schroeder just seems like that kind of play-off go to guy. Don't know why. o.O Raymond has been an annual playoff flop, however, but I certainly hope that this chemistry can alleviate that label.

We've seen players like Schroeder excel in the playoffs in the past, so I have no doubt in my mind that Schroeder has the tools to mimic this success.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:18 AM

Dont panic jannick. The name suits him. Love it when he is on the ice. Rarely makes a mistake. I don't know of he plans this but on the penalty kill if he has the puck as he often does of late.. He skates east west and kills even more time. Often times crossing the defenders up. Smart or coincidental. Either way. Kills if a few more seconds every time.. Fun line to watch, I agree
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:25 AM

When kes and booth come back, maybe a top 9 of:
Burrows hank Daniel
Booth kesler Kassian
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
.. Might be worth a try. Higgins and Lappy on the 4th is awesome depth!
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:27 AM

I believe that will be contingent on Raymond, to be honest. Hansen is known to play hard in the play-offs, and Schroeder just seems like that kind of play-off go to guy. Don't know why. o.O Raymond has been an annual playoff flop, however, but I certainly hope that this chemistry can alleviate that label.

We've seen players like Schroeder excel in the playoffs in the past, so I have no doubt in my mind that Schroeder has the tools to mimic this success.


I am in the opinion if they aren't costing us goals, they aren't a liability. They will chip in every now and then no doulbt. If that line can somehow produce 4 or 5 goals in a playoff series.. I don't see what the big deal is. For now they are clicking and playing well when on the ice and being productive. im willing to give a healthy smarter Raymond the benefit of the doulbt until he proves otherwise. Hats off to him for working on his game.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

You mentioned Raymond's passing and I agree but also suggest that Schroeder's passing ability is very good. Combined with their speed and passing this line is a threat all the time. All this said the future of this group is very dependant on the 2nd line and how well it plays going forward. My thought being that if the 3rd stays together then the 2nd has to have a serious physical element to it. I like the idea of Kassian as 2 RW.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:08 AM

I'm still worried about how a line so small will do in the playoffs, but they're definitely fast and fun to watch.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:12 AM

I'm still worried about how a line so small will do in the playoffs, but they're definitely fast and fun to watch.


They don't play like their size, always on the forcheck, pushing bodies, they will definitley be fine in the playoffs.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:14 AM

I'm still worried about how a line so small will do in the playoffs, but they're definitely fast and fun to watch.


Hansen and Schroeder won't be a problem. They get to the corners and win the battles. Raymond is starting to pick it up too I think he's evolved to match the way the rest of the line plays.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

+1
i also like the Kassian max and Higgins line
can score , hit and grind opponets
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:33 AM

When kes and booth come back, maybe a top 9 of:
Burrows hank Daniel
Booth kesler Kassian
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
.. Might be worth a try. Higgins and Lappy on the 4th is awesome depth!


Really think this is highlighting a need for a good third line center that has size and can score. Not that we are weak, but playoff wise we will be too small on the third line with that lineup.

Playoffs.

Daniel/Henrik/Kassian (he's a must here when things get tight and the twins need room and a policeman)
Booth/Kesler/Burrows
Raymond/Schroeder/New Center with size - moved to wing
(Volpattie/Weise) + (Lappiere/Manny) + Hansen
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:34 AM

Itll be interesting to see when Kes and Booth get back what happens with the lines. We know the first line will more than likely stay Hank-Dank-Burr

Kesler will be our 2C, but i dont think there is any guarantee that Booth will be on that wing with the way some of these guys are playing.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:36 AM

putting manny in the press box and keeping schroeder is looking like an option now
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:40 AM

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Edited by Witchcraft and Sedinery, 13 February 2013 - 11:43 AM.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:41 AM

They don't play like their size, always on the forcheck, pushing bodies, they will definitley be fine in the playoffs.


No doubts about their grit, but even if you play tough you'll be hard pressed to win battles if you're small (especially against a big team like LA or Boston).
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:41 AM

Manny is our leader in SHTOI for forwards and is winning 65% of his FO's, He wont be in the pressbox
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:49 AM

everyone seems to assume that kes and booth are coming back and stepping right into the second line. have we not learned anything from the lou and cory thing. we have two good players coming off injury, we are playing well, let them take a lesser role with less pressure.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

When kes and booth come back, maybe a top 9 of:
Burrows hank Daniel
Booth kesler Kassian
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
.. Might be worth a try. Higgins and Lappy on the 4th is awesome depth!


I see this line up posted often but my concern is, does Kassian have the foot speed to keep up with Kesler and Booth?
I just wouldnt want to see Kassian behind on the plays.
Kassian moves lik the Sedins while Burrows moves like Kes and Booth.

However, Burrows is so effective and tenacious on the forecheck and this ability helps the Sedins gain puck control in the offensive zone on a dump in. Kassian on the other hand is not quick enough on the forecheck but once they do have puck control, his cycling and puck protection is top notch.

Tough choice....
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:53 AM

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Hansen - Same ol' same ol', which is a good thing. He gives 110% every game, and it shows; and as usual, he is rewarded with production. His forechecking is the undisputed best on this team, and even though his passes don't always look pretty, they are effective. He generates chances out of simple forechecks in addition to those he creates from his speed. The best part of all is that he is showing some good hands out there, with some solid finishes.

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Simple, effective, old time hockey. I love this aspect about him. Hell, it even translates to NHL 13. Took out two defenders on the forecheck, brought it out front, roofed it, cheered so loud I woke the dog. Beauty.

Lapierre can be pretty good at this brand of hockey as well.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:59 AM

It definitely is a fun line to watch.

I'm not 100% certain that they'll be as effective in the playoffs, however. Time will tell...

The line may be a little 'light' and that could be a worry in the tighter checking playoffs, but they certainly have the ability to counter and should hopefully be reliable defensively against other team's top players. If we want to look at a little less finesse while adding a bit of weight to the line, we'd have two options I think:

Higgins Schroeder Hansen
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Raymond Schroeder Kassian

Obviously some combination of that could work with Higgins and Kassian both rotating in if needed, but I'm more confident that we'd have the option at least when Kesler comes back to put Schroeder on the 3rd if they don't want to try him on the second as a playmaker for Booth and Kesler. I wasn't so sure how he'd do as a 3rd line center facing tougher competition when it was Raymond and Weise on the wing instead, as the line seemed less put together even though they were flying around on the ice.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:00 PM

The third line is going to need more size. I would drop Kassian to the third to play with Schroeder and Hansen, and then have Raymond play on the second line.

A line of Raymond, Kesler, Booth is just as fast.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:08 PM

Simple, effective, old time hockey. I love this aspect about him. Hell, it even translates to NHL 13. Took out two defenders on the forecheck, brought it out front, roofed it, cheered so loud I woke the dog. Beauty.

Lapierre can be pretty good at this brand of hockey as well.


Lapierre was money last night.
It's the most effort I've seen him put in a while.
He skated hard, and banged bodies and was a great agitator last night.

I LOVED how he called out Minnesota after guys like Konopka was trying to run our smaller guys.

I heard the benches arguing over Ray Ferraro and at one point I heard Lappiere yell out Spurgeon's name.

I was curious what that was about and Ferraro, caught in between (literally) provided some context and said that Lapierre started calling out names like Spurgeon and Parise saying if Minni keeps trying to run our guys, those guys are next lol

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:10 PM

It definitely is a fun line to watch.

I'm not 100% certain that they'll be as effective in the playoffs, however. Time will tell...


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:31 PM

Hansen and Raymond have stood out more than most vs larger teams in the playoffs. Not worried.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:31 PM

They are a combined +18 right now (+7, +6 and +5); very reassuring either way you cut it. I am liking the look of this line.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

everyone seems to assume that kes and booth are coming back and stepping right into the second line. have we not learned anything from the lou and cory thing. we have two good players coming off injury, we are playing well, let them take a lesser role with less pressure.

Well, since they aren't coming back from injury at the exact same time (perhaps a week a apart) we'll likely see Kesler come in and a small shuffle to accommodate him so we can see how the chemistry is. It could be a pairing initially of Raymond and Kesler with Kassian on that line, or Burrows if Kas get's rotated back to the Sedins. It could even be the line we're talking about in this thread, but Kesler replaces Hansen.

A couple of options:
Sedin Sedin Kassian
Raymond Kesler Burrows (familiar linemates for Kes coming back, hadn't played as much with Kassian)
Higgins Schroeder Hansen
Volpatti Lapierre Weise
Manny (however long he'll be out, we could use his faceoffs but Kesler might help with that)

Higgins could swap with Raymond if they want to keep that chemistry together, as Kesler's played with both before. And certainly Kassian and Burrows could switch but Kesler didn't play as much with Kassian so there might be more adjusting. Or we could look at adding Kesler to Schroeder and Raymond:

Sedin Sedin Kassian
Raymond Schroeder Kesler
Burrows Lapierre Hansen
Higgins Malhotra Weise
Volpatti

This assumes Malhotra would be back as well, otherwise we'd have Burrows centering the 3rd like he was to start the season. Having Kesler on the RW gives us a few to many on that side, so Burrows would have to go back to the left and it'd be tough fitting him with the Sedins, but the lineup looks pretty deep if we do have the centers available.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

I've been inspired by this speedy line as well. I'm not sure how they'd do in the playoffs, but something tells me their speed would draw a lot of penalties. With tighter checking, I can see opposing players resorting to grabbing and hooking since they won't be able to legitimately keep up with and pin down these guys. Schroeder and Hansen have some grit too and aren't afraid of driving the net and playing in traffic. I think they'd be a much bigger asset than liability playing together, even in the playoffs. Now, if Schroeder could just learn to win faceoffs...
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

I think they'll be OK in the playoffs if they continue this level of play - remember, right now they are playing as a second line - in the playoffs, they'll be the third line and will face less skilled defenders. If everyone heals and plays well, I think our forwards should be like this:

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian (Kassian can be the big body to protect the Sedins and crash the net)

Booth-Kesler-Burrows (This can be our checking line - although Booth isn't fantastic defensively, Kesler and Burrows can more than make up for him. It also takes a bit of the pressure off of Kesler to score)

Raymond-Schroeder-Hansen (Their speed will give them a big edge, and all three are solid defensively. As long as they can score a few goals and not allow any, they'll be effective)

Manny-Lappy-Higgins (We need Manny to be the strong LH centreman who's solid in his own zone. Lappy could be a solid 3rd line centre the way he's been playing, so he'll dominate the 4th lines of other teams. Higgins is a tough, borderline top-6 player who can score and should dominate other fourth lines)
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

everyone seems to assume that kes and booth are coming back and stepping right into the second line. have we not learned anything from the lou and cory thing. we have two good players coming off injury, we are playing well, let them take a lesser role with less pressure.


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