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#31 Dion Phaneuf

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:45 PM

Killarney area is in Vancouver, no?


Yup. I jotted that down by mistake. lol

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:04 PM

Agree completely, grew up in Burnaby and living in Van now too to be closer to school. Burnaby has great amenities and tons of parks (25% of arable land I believe). The schools are good and pretty mellow in terms of bullying fighting etc (at least in my experience). I'm not sure about the grungy neighbourhoods, i've spent lots of time all over Burnaby and feel safe walking anywhere at night, but I guess the worst area would be South Burnaby, which still isn't bad.


Well, not grungy in terms of being unsafe. I just mean not as attractive. That being said, the OP probably should look into crime statistics for different neighbourhoods. When I lived in Burnaby our house was broken into 3 times, twice while I was at home. And my parent's car was broken into twice and stolen once. My sister and I also each had some scary run-ins with creepy men in the neighbourhood. (I'm about 60% sure that I was nearly kidnapped once by this angry Russian dude, but he might have just been an angry dude who liked to drive around with his car door open and yell at people to get in his car...I'll never know!)

Err, on second thought, why do I like Burnaby so much? Haha. But this was in the 90's/ early 2000's. It's probably a lot better now. Actually, my parents still live there and have not had any problems in at least 5 years. So there ya go.

I got to say though I do feel safer in Vancouver proper than any of the suburbs, just because there's more people around period and you never have to walk home on some deserted street at night. It just might not be possible to get a single family home with a yard in Vancouver. Even on a doctor's salary.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:33 PM

What are the best cities to raise families?


They all are man, this ain't south central LA.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

Move to Victoria. Newlyweds and nearly deads. lots of everything nearby.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:43 PM

Move to Victoria. Newlyweds and nearly deads. lots of everything nearby.


I've always been interested in island life...... What happens to the island though when the big one hits?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:45 PM

East Van isn't to bad, cheap rent and decent neighborhoods. I lived there for 10 years.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:51 PM

If you love shredding the gnar on the mountains. Vancouver's the perfect big city to move too.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:55 PM

I'm hoping to move to Vancouver once I finish college, and I was just wondering if you guys suggest moving to Vancouver itself or living in a suburb outside the city?


I am actually doing the opposite and moving away from Vancouver. For the next four years, I will be living in:

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It will be temporary of course but then again, who knows what will happen.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:03 PM

I've always been interested in island life...... What happens to the island though when the big one hits?


The same thing that will happen in Vancouver. What type of question is that?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:11 PM

wow..... someone wanting to actually come to Vancouver? People coming this way are people who probably got a job here, or rich immigrants from China. Honest to say, its damn expensive to live in Vancouver.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:32 PM

The same thing that will happen in Vancouver. What type of question is that?


What about the tsunami?

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:39 PM

I've always been interested in island life...... What happens to the island though when the big one hits?


Victoria aint that great. Don't come here. Its really just a watered down Vancouver with lots of old people. If you're going to move out here, go for broke, move to Vancouver.

What happens when a tsunami hits? The trailers out in Sooke will get washed away I guess. Victoria is pretty well protected.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

The problem with Vancouver, is that even if you still like it after the initial novelty wears off, which is not a given, it will wear you down over time.

Beyond the favorable stats and the glowing testimony, this is not a happy city nor one where the average person can succede without engaging in a scam of some kind.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

I live in Burnaby currently as a student. Close to downtown and a bit cheaper (not as cheap as places in Surrey, New West). I'm essentially "Vancouver".. takes me 10 minutes to get into the city limits. They all kind of blend. Just find somewhere close to skytrain and you'll be good to go.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:42 PM

I am actually doing the opposite and moving away from Vancouver. For the next four years, I will be living in:

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It will be temporary of course but then again, who knows what will happen.


you're moving into a treehouse mansion?
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:44 PM

The problem with Vancouver, is that even if you still like it after the initial novelty wears off, which is not a given, it will wear you down over time.

Beyond the favorable stats and the glowing testimony, this is not a happy city nor one where the average person can succede without engaging in a scam of some kind.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:55 PM

I am actually doing the opposite and moving away from Vancouver. For the next four years, I will be living in:

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It will be temporary of course but then again, who knows what will happen.


The boat leaves me guessing ....Philippines?
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:18 PM

Are you Asian? Come help us take over Richmond if you are.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:47 PM

Well I've lived in South Burnaby pretty much my entire life and a lot has changed. Pretty much the entire neighbourhood has been developed within the last 5-8 years or so and it still is. A bunch of condos are being built around Metrotown (the sketchy neighbourhood right by Metro is being slowly dismantled) and there was of course the whole transformation of the Edmonds area with Highgate popping up. Not to mention, Station Square is being re-developed right now, so that'll be nice to see once its finished (I walk by the construction everyday).

There's an abundance of community centres, libraries, malls (Metrotown being the obvious one), and good schools. Seeing as how you're looking for a house, there's a nice and quiet neighbourhood which is about a 5 minute drive from Metrotown. It's just down the hill from Imperial down to Marine Drive.

Oh, and most importantly, the transit is quite convenient as the Skytrain and a bunch of buses run through the area. And I hear a lot of people talking about crime in South Burnaby, I don't know where you guys exactly are but the Patterson area has been pretty quiet for a long long time.

But the one and only con I need to balance out all the benefits I just listed is the price. Housing prices have just skyrocketed around my area, but I guess this is true for the entire Lower Mainland so whatever :)

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:26 AM

I'm finishing med school at the University of Washington. I've been leaning towards burnaby. Like the area. Just wanted to know other opinions


I'm guessing you're a GP? If you are considering areas to live, as oppossed to being shuffled into random areas, like most specialists are these days. If you have 200k in debt, and are working as a GP, don't expect to live the high life in Vancouver. Medical salaries in Canada, in general, are much lower than the States, and there is all sorts of talk about salary freezes and even salary decreases for doctors.

Does your wife work? I'd take a look at the cost of living and income tax rates here, especially if you're used to a small town in Washington State.

80-100k for a GP salary = 50-70k after taxes.
$1600/month rent for a small apartment, that is not a craphole.
+ car + high insurance rates and gas = $550/month for a Corolla.
+ high cost of food
+ taxes on everything
+ debt payments

That being said, Vancouver does offer a lot. The ability to due to snow activities and go to the beach in the same town if quite rare. Vancouver is also quickly becomming more of a world class city in terms of things to do. We get quite a few large concert acts. Restaurants are great. Areas like Main Street, Commercial Drive, GasTown, etc... have all become really enjoyable areas to visit.

I'll echo comments from others. Vancouver is socially retarded though. My theory is the problem comes from the excessive amount of beggers on the street. It puts you into this frame of mind, where you just don't want to talk to random people, as whatever conversatoins you have will end up with a drug addict begging for money. Those same drug addicts will steal anything they can get their hands on. We also have a problem where we can't hold public events without random hooliganism breaking out.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:42 AM

I find that the "socially retarded" and similar comments come from people who seem to act "socially retarded". Treat people how you like to be treated and be the change you wish to see. I'm friendly, outgoing and courteous when I'm in public and more often than not...even in Vancouver I find that gets reciprocated. Curious that... :rolleyes: I also know tons of friendly, outgoing, and sweet people...all from here!

If you act like an introverted a-hole... guess what you'll get back....?


If you want a friendlier populace, be friendlier.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:02 AM

I find that the "socially retarded" and similar comments come from people who seem to act "socially retarded". Treat people how you like to be treated and be the change you wish to see. I'm friendly, outgoing and courteous when I'm in public and more often than not...even in Vancouver I find that gets reciprocated. Curious that... :rolleyes: I also know tons of friendly, outgoing, and sweet people...all from here!

If you act like an introverted a-hole... guess what you'll get back....?


If you want a friendlier populace, be friendlier.


No.

Travel outside Vancouver and you'll see the difference. I've been to many other cities outside Canada, and the attitude is just better.

I'm sorry, you don't have some social gift the rest of us are missing. People who complain about the bad social scene here aren't weird intraverts. Vancouver is one of the few places where you can't walk up to random tables in a bar and start conversations without getting a cold shoulder. People in public spaces seem fed up and angry. In fact, we have virtually no public spaces/festivals for a city this size. Whenever we try, we end up with a riot. People in Vancouver are standoffish and arrogant. And no, me having a better attitude is not going to change that. Is my attitude personally responsible for stabbings and gang violence everytime we have a fireworks festival?
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:14 AM

No.

Travel outside Vancouver and you'll see the difference. I've been to many other cities outside Canada, and the attitude is just better.

I'm sorry, you don't have some social gift the rest of us are missing. People who complain about the bad social scene here aren't weird intraverts. Vancouver is one of the few places where you can't walk up to random tables in a bar and start conversations without getting a cold shoulder. People in public spaces seem fed up and angry. In fact, we have virtually no public spaces/festivals for a city this size. Whenever we try, we end up with a riot. People in Vancouver are standoffish and arrogant. And no, me having a better attitude is not going to change that. Is my attitude personally responsible for stabbings and gang violence everytime we have a fireworks festival?


Sure people from say the Maritimes are certainly friendlier. I never said they weren't. That doesn't make Vancouverites un-friendly. You may have to make a bit more of an effort here than elsewhere but I've never had trouble here socializing with people. And I have been to many other places throughout the US, Canada, Scotland and Ireland.

I've also been to many public events here...playoff games, fireworks, concerts, Olympic festivities etc without incident and always felt quite comfortable and in a friendly atmosphere. A riot every dozen years or so or occasional gang violence (which pretty much all major cities have) does not equate to some toxic atmosphere.

And I never said your attitude contributed to gang violence. That's asinine. I said a negative attitude will tend to attract/reinforce negativity. If you're a positive person, you'll attract positive people and reinforce positive behaviour. It's really not rocket dentistry.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:19 AM

Sure people from say the Maritimes are certainly friendlier. I never said they weren't. That doesn't make Vancouverites un-friendly. You may have to make a bit more of an effort here than elsewhere but I've never had trouble here socializing with people. And I have been to many other places throughout the US, Canada, Scotland and Ireland.

I've also been to many public events here...playoff games, fireworks, concerts, Olympic festivities etc without incident and always felt quite comfortable and in a friendly atmosphere. A riot every dozen years or so or occasional gang violence (which pretty much all major cities have) does not equate to some toxic atmosphere.

And I never said your attitude contributed to gang violence. That's asinine. I said a negative attitude will tend to attract/reinforce negativity. If you're a positive person, you'll attract positive people and reinforce positive behaviour. It's really not rocket dentistry.


To see how far behind Vancouver is, just got to Seattle, the closest major city. At night they have a club district set up called Pioneer Square. It's great. Great selection of clubs. Friendly people. Great drink specials. They have a whole area set aside for being social.

Compare that with Vancouver's "entertainment district". At night Granville Street is lined with cop cars, waiting for the inevitable violence. Homeless everywhere, harrassing you everytime you go outside. Overpriced drinks and uptight women. Nimby's complaining about the noise. Reeks of urine. The list of negatives goes on.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:29 AM

dont move to Abbotsford.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

To see how far behind Vancouver is, just got to Seattle, the closest major city. At night they have a club district set up called Pioneer Square. It's great. Great selection of clubs. Friendly people. Great drink specials. They have a whole area set aside for being social.

Compare that with Vancouver's "entertainment district". At night Granville Street is lined with cop cars, waiting for the inevitable violence. Homeless everywhere, harrassing you everytime you go outside. Overpriced drinks and uptight women. Nimby's complaining about the noise. Reeks of urine. The list of negatives goes on.


LOL... Neither of those is my "scene". And even when I was younger and spent small amounts of time in it I never had the negative impression you seem to. There's was numerous times at pubs and clubs I spent with good people and met lots of new friendly people and nice girls.

Never mind that if that's what you think makes a city, (a place with cheap booze and "friendly" women) I feel sorry for you. Perhaps you should try expanding your horizons beyond the dubious value of the "club scene" and the superficial people it tends to attract. Or find the venues who cater more to your apparent desires. There are certainly clubs downtown who cater to the rich, snooty and superficial (those people need places to drink too evidently)... don't go to them.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:40 AM

LOL... Neither of those is my "scene". And even when I was younger and spent small amounts of time in it I never had the negative impression you seem to. There's was numerous times at pubs and clubs I spent with good people and met lots of new friendly people and nice girls.

Never mind that if that's what you think makes a city, (a place with cheap booze and "friendly" women) I feel sorry for you. Perhaps you should try expanding your horizons beyond the dubious value of the "club scene" and the superficial people it tends to attract. Or find the venues who cater more to your apparent desires. There are certainly clubs downtown who cater to the rich, snooty and superficial (those people need places to drink too evidently)... don't go to them.


That was just an example. One that highlights the problems well. I'm also too old and not single enough for the regular club scene, but I do occasionally go out and I notice a major difference. The fact you have dismissed bars and clubs, proves my point exactly. Pubs/bars/clubs are suppossed to be fun and social places. They have them all over the world. And no, I'm not low brow for desiring a good night life.

And it's not just drinks that are overpriced here. Vancouver is a very clique and unfriendly city. It's attitudes like yours that result in that perpetuation. You are unable to see there is a problem and, as a result, nothing gets done about it. You also seem to think you're better than the people who are frustrated with the social scene here too. It's me who feels sorry for you. If you have such little life experience that you think what goes on in Vancouver is normal.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:46 AM

Even Seattle has a well deserved reputation for being socially retarded, so to have it compared favorably to Vancouver in that regard is hilarious.

It's almost shocking how tense and creepy social interaction between strangers is in Vancouver after spending time elsewhere.

Its too bad because while this was never a friendly city, it was much better before the mid '90s.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:49 AM

The problem with Vancouver, is that even if you still like it after the initial novelty wears off, which is not a given, it will wear you down over time.

Beyond the favorable stats and the glowing testimony, this is not a happy city nor one where the average person can succede without engaging in a scam of some kind.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:54 AM

That was just an example. One that highlights the problems well. I'm also too old and not single enough for the regular club scene, but I do occasionally go out and I notice a major difference. The fact you have dismissed bars and clubs, proves my point exactly. Pubs/bars/clubs are suppossed to be fun and social places. They have them all over the world. And no, I'm not low brow for desiring a good night life.

And it's not just drinks that are overpriced here. Vancouver is a very clique and unfriendly city. It's attitudes like yours that result in that perpetuation. You are unable to see there is a problem and, as a result, nothing gets done about it. You also seem to think you're better than the people who are frustrated with the social scene here too. It's me who feels sorry for you. If you have such little life experience that you think what goes on in Vancouver is normal.


I never discounted pubs etc. In fact I stated I had fun at numerous ones across the lower mainland. I merely pointed out that perhaps you're going to the wrong ones and/or hanging out with the wrong people. There are certainly clique-y clubs...again, don't go to them.

Any city will be exactly what you make of it. You're apparently determined to make negative of it. As such you shouldn't be surprised by your results.

How is it that I can go out in this city and have fun, meet friendly people etc and you can't?
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