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#61 Electro Rock

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:21 PM

Speak for yourself.


I speak for a lot of people, unless you've got unusually favorable circumstances (like a family that's able to throw a lot of money behind you) or are engaged in some sort of scam (illegal rental suites, grow ops, dirty money etc) this is a damn hard place to start out in.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

I never discounted pubs etc. In fact I stated I had fun at numerous ones across the lower mainland. I merely pointed out that perhaps you're going to the wrong ones and/or hanging out with the wrong people. There are certainly clique-y clubs...again, don't go to them.

Any city will be exactly what you make of it. You're apparently determined to make negative of it. As such you shouldn't be surprised by your results.

How is it that I can go out in this city and have fun, meet friendly people etc and you can't?
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You can obviously have fun in this city, but it's not as easy as other cities. There are also almost no public festivals, events, gathering places, etc... for a city this size. I'm also not the only one complaining about it. So, it's actually you who's being an arrogant ass here, which is exactly part of the problem. If it was just me with the problem, then yes you'd have a point. But Vancouver has the nickname "no fun city".

Not only are the people unfriendly, but the whole infrastructure is geared towards Nimbys. Liquor and restaurant licenses are restrictive. You need a licence to have a dance floor. Our new entertainment/casino district was cancelled for....more condos.

We have articles in newspapers about it:

http://www.huffingto..._b_1931606.html

But apparently, there is no problem. Everyone who complains about it is "George Bush" and you're a social dynamo. I have a great social scene. I go out every weekend and was able to meet friends, but largely through school. I meet people downtown, but largely have very superficial meetings. I also get tired of having so few choices. Seriously, a license to have a dance floor? You've got to be kidding me. The simple fact of the matter is that you have to work harder in Vancouver to have a good time. There is an infrastructure set up in total oppossition to it.

I can't seriously believe people in this thread are arguing that the social scene is good here or that it's an easy city to make it economically in. Just google Vancouver "cost of living" or "no fun city", and you'll see what people actually think.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:39 PM

It's certainly less fun than other cities if all you want to do is club. Every city has it's own attractions and maybe Vancouver's aren't for you.

L.A. has different qualities from New York, Las Vegas or even say Montreal ...or Paris, London, England, Dublin etc

People expecting Vancouver to be like Las Vegas, New York or Montreal will be quite disappointed. That doesn't make Vancouver less fun, it makes it different and fun at other things. If you're not interested in those things especially considering the cost of living here...by all means don't let the door hit you...

That's not to say that we shouldn't or couldn't improve on things like festivals etc. There's always room for improvement. But those are things that start grass roots. Again, be the change you wish to see. You want more music, art etc festivals? Organize one.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

I'll echo comments from others. Vancouver is socially retarded though. My theory is the problem comes from the excessive amount of beggers on the street. It puts you into this frame of mind, where you just don't want to talk to random people, as whatever conversatoins you have will end up with a drug addict begging for money. Those same drug addicts will steal anything they can get their hands on. We also have a problem where we can't hold public events without random hooliganism breaking out.


Oh God do I ever hate this argument. I'm fairly certain this is total crock perpetuated by the City and a lazy police department. I mean really, what big city DOESN'T have problems with hooligans? And we all get this big guilt complex about it like somehow the fact we have people in this city who turn idiotic when drunk is a unique problem and we should all feel bad about it even if we're not part of the problem. And so we let the city scold us and tell us "see, this is why you can't have any fun" when really we should be pointing the finger at them and asking why they can't enforce the crowds better. Other, much bigger cities than us do it and I'm fairly certain there's not some big abstract thing that just somehow makes folks in those other cities behave. They just have police departments who know how to diffuse potentially volatile situations before they get out of hand, or you know, at least properly prepare for them so they're not caught off guard when they do happen. Heck, I wouldn't be at all shocked if the VPD purposely lets some of these things happen so they can throw it back in our faces and use it as an excuse to maintain the "no fun" status quo. (But I'm getting into conspiracy theory mode here so I'll stop.)

You know what I've always found interesting actually? Montreal has riots all the time, probably more than Vancouver. And yet somehow they're not defined it and they still manage to have fun. I wonder why.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:46 PM

Oh yah, vancity has the 2nd best $1 slices of pizza in the galaxy.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

It's certainly less fun than other cities if all you want to do is club. Every city has it's own attractions and maybe Vancouver's aren't for you.

L.A. has different qualities from New York, Las Vegas or even say Montreal ...or Paris, London, England, Dublin etc

People expecting Vancouver to be like Las Vegas, New York or Montreal will be quite disappointed. That doesn't make Vancouver less fun, it makes it different and fun at other things. If you're not interested in those things especially considering the cost of living here...by all means don't let the door hit you...

That's not to say that we shouldn't or couldn't improve on things like festivals etc. There's always room for improvement. But those are things that start grass roots. Again, be the change you wish to see. You want more music, art etc festivals? Organize one.


Once again, clubs was just an example. And when I'm talking about dancing, I'm not talking about just top 40 dance clubs. Any kind of dancing anywhere is illegal without a permit.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:03 PM

Yet people manage to dance all over the place...
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

Yet people manage to dance all over the place...


Only in designated areas or in their homes.....assuming it's before 11:00PM on a weeknight and the music isn't too loud. I don't know why you're pretending it's anything else. Please go to another city and see what a spontaneous public social situation is like.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:31 PM

I have a friend who is from a dance background and goes out dancing ALL the time. Evidently it's not that hard.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:35 PM

I have a friend who is from a dance background and goes out dancing ALL the time. Evidently it's not that hard.

I used to date a ballet dancer... but that is whole other story. There is something to be said for flexibility.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:49 PM

I used to date a ballet dancer... but that is whole other story. There is something to be said for flexibility.


They tend to have nice *ahem* "hindquarters" as well ;)
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

I have a friend who is from a dance background and goes out dancing ALL the time. Evidently it's not that hard.


I don't know how this is in any way relevant to this conversation.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

I don't know how this is in any way relevant to this conversation.


You're the one trying to make a point that dancing in Vancouver is tantamount to prohibition era drinking in the US... you tell me.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

They tend to have nice *ahem* "hindquarters" as well ;)

Also you can check out the dancers at the No. 5 Orange as well. Not that I have any personal experience of course.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:02 PM

Also you can check out the dancers at the No. 5 Orange as well. Not that I have any personal experience of course.


So long as they have appropriate dance floor licensing ;)
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:04 PM

So long as they have appropriate dance floor licensing ;)

IIRC city inspectors regularly made personal visits to ensure that standards were kept up.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

IIRC city inspectors regularly made personal visits to ensure that standards were kept up.


I bet they made "regular" visits :lol:
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

Also you can check out the dancers at the No. 5 Orange as well. Not that I have any personal experience of course.

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One thing Vancouver is shockingly lenient on is brothels. Can't say I've ever partacken myself, but places like the above, the Swedish Touch, etc.., seem to blatantly advertise more than massages and no touching lap dances.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:42 AM

That was just an example. One that highlights the problems well. I'm also too old and not single enough for the regular club scene, but I do occasionally go out and I notice a major difference. The fact you have dismissed bars and clubs, proves my point exactly. Pubs/bars/clubs are suppossed to be fun and social places. They have them all over the world. And no, I'm not low brow for desiring a good night life.

And it's not just drinks that are overpriced here. Vancouver is a very clique and unfriendly city. It's attitudes like yours that result in that perpetuation. You are unable to see there is a problem and, as a result, nothing gets done about it. You also seem to think you're better than the people who are frustrated with the social scene here too. It's me who feels sorry for you. If you have such little life experience that you think what goes on in Vancouver is normal.


Holy crap man, I really hope you don't live in Vancouver anymore. Keep blaming the city and its people, you don't seem to be much better with all the negative bs you're spewing out on this thread.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:54 AM

Holy crap man, I really hope you don't live in Vancouver anymore. Keep blaming the city and its people, you don't seem to be much better with all the negative bs you're spewing out on this thread.


Tell me about it. I really suspect any sort of hostile attitude he's gotten from people in Vancouver is his own fault.

Vancouver is such a hellish place to be.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:48 AM

wow..... someone wanting to actually come to Vancouver? People coming this way are people who probably got a job here, or rich immigrants from China. Honest to say, its damn expensive to live in Vancouver.


They could also be poor refugees trying to live on welfare. We've got a great system that helps the very poor. From BC housing, free health care and monthly cheques, all paid by the tax payers.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:54 AM

you're moving into a treehouse mansion?


I will be living on the beach. Nice, sunny and warm weather of the Philippines.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:56 AM

The boat leaves me guessing ....Philippines?


BINGO!
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

You can obviously have fun in this city, but it's not as easy as other cities. There are also almost no public festivals, events, gathering places, etc... for a city this size. I'm also not the only one complaining about it. So, it's actually you who's being an arrogant ass here, which is exactly part of the problem. If it was just me with the problem, then yes you'd have a point. But Vancouver has the nickname "no fun city".

Not only are the people unfriendly, but the whole infrastructure is geared towards Nimbys. Liquor and restaurant licenses are restrictive. You need a licence to have a dance floor. Our new entertainment/casino district was cancelled for....more condos.

We have articles in newspapers about it:

http://www.huffingto..._b_1931606.html

But apparently, there is no problem. Everyone who complains about it is "George Bush" and you're a social dynamo. I have a great social scene. I go out every weekend and was able to meet friends, but largely through school. I meet people downtown, but largely have very superficial meetings. I also get tired of having so few choices. Seriously, a license to have a dance floor? You've got to be kidding me. The simple fact of the matter is that you have to work harder in Vancouver to have a good time. There is an infrastructure set up in total oppossition to it.

I can't seriously believe people in this thread are arguing that the social scene is good here or that it's an easy city to make it economically in. Just google Vancouver "cost of living" or "no fun city", and you'll see what people actually think.


I agree with you on that. Vancouver isn't really a fun city, it is a city where you have to work hard everyday to pay the high taxes and rents. It has a lot of amenities which is its strong suit but it doesn't have a lot of events or festivals where people could gather around and have fun. The other problem might be that it is too multicultural where it seems that the population is fragmented. People of different cultures and customs have different ways of interacting with others and this is probably what has created the reputation of Vancouver being less of a friendly city. I find that travelling to less multicultural cities like Manila where the population is more homogeneous, that the people are more closer and friendlier versus multicultural cities like New York, Toronto or Vancouver.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:25 PM

It really has to do with all these different cultures and customs that creates some sort of barrier. Asians understand Asians better than Canadians and vice versa.

However...

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:32 PM

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That is the one thing that transcends cultural barriers. It seems that anyone from any country can join in the fun when it comes to sports. Canucks is probably the one thing that unites Vancouverites.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:34 PM

That is the one thing that transcends cultural barriers. It seems that anyone from any country can join in the fun when it comes to sports. Canucks is probably the one thing that unites Vancouverites.

That and rioting as that seems to transcend cultural/racial lines as well. ::D
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

I find that travelling to less multicultural cities like Manila where the population is more homogeneous, that the people are more closer and friendlier versus multicultural cities like New York, Toronto or Vancouver.


Never thought I'd see Manila being compared favourably to a place like Vancouver (weather excepted of course). :lol:

You do realize that the last census showed that 450% of a Filipinos wanted to leave their country and live somewhere else? :frantic:
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:15 PM

Never thought I'd see Manila being compared favourably to a place like Vancouver (weather excepted of course). :lol:

You do realize that the last census showed that 450% of a Filipinos wanted to leave their country and live somewhere else? :frantic:

450%??? Does that include the unborn? ::D

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:19 PM

450%??? Does that include the unborn? ::D


Nope, that would be silly but it does include the dead.

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