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Should The Canucks Have Gone After Matt Carle Instead of Garrison?


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#1 Pasific Coluseum

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:30 PM

No matter which way you slice it folks its evident Jason Garrsion has been a bust with a measly 2 points in 12 games played for the Vancouver Canucks. Being a huuuge Free Agent acquisition everyone was expecting a difference maker, but it could be argued keeping Salo might have been the wiser choice.

I think the Canucks made a regrettable decision in signing Garrison and the brass were more enamored by the fact Garrison was a BC boy. Similiar to the Hamuis effect when they signed Dan during Free Agency a couple years ago.

It's looking more and more like another Florida Panther acquisition gone bad i.e Ballard, Duco, Reinprecht, Oreskevich etc.. Now if we re-signed Salo, signed Matt Carle and waived/traded/demoted Ballard, Malhotra, Raymond our power play would not suck like it does. Matt Carle is a stud and is an upgraded Christian Erhoff. Imagine him on our PP.. Suffice to say it would be lights out for the opposition.

Willing to give it a bit longer before I render my verdict on Jason but frankly it's not looking all rosy and sunny. I'm starting to get buyer's remorse on Garrison. Please don't let it be another Ballard situation.

Edited by Pasific Coluseum, 13 February 2013 - 08:31 PM.

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#2 cIutch

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:32 PM

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lol @ bust

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:35 PM

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:35 PM

I bet you were one of tho guys who were thrilled to get Garrison.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:35 PM

I'm not impressed with Garrison yet but it's still early. I just hope he wasn't having a lucky season in Florida last year.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:36 PM

I went to the game last night and paid close attention to Jason and honestly he looks so clueless out there. He gets scared when he has the puck and just tries to tie it up in the corner. I consider him a huge dissapointment this year but at the same time I said from the beinning that we better not pay all that money for him, then we did...

2 points in 12 games... yuk.. At least hes a +7
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:40 PM

He has been solid defensively. Sure, he's not racking up the points but he hasn't been getting much PP time at all, and is currently paired with BIEKSA.

What can you expect out of him right now?

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:42 PM

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Because CDC has been bang on at assessing players in the past...
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:43 PM

Once Garrison gets more comfortable he will dominate.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

Rather a FA than give up a first + more for him.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

Before you can label someone a bust, you need to list what your expectations were.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

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I know it's been said before, but it's worth saying again. Anyone who was expecting big offensive numbers out of Garrison this year was fooling themselves. He scored 16 goals last year based on an unsustainable hot streak - he had 11 goals in the first 37 games, and then only 5 in the last 45, when his shooting percentage inevitably regressed to the mean. He was simply never going to score at a 16 goal pace this year.

Also, if people were expecting a slick passing point man who would rack up assists, they weren't paying attention. He only had 17 last year, despite getting a ton of PP time.

Having said all that, it was still a very good signing, and to call him a bust is completely ridiculous. Garrison is an excellent shut down defenseman - one of the best in the league by some measures. He's already fulfilling that role here. He has the second highest Corsi of D-men on our team. He's slightly behind Ballard, but Garrison has faced much more difficult competition. In other words, he's arguably been our best defenseman so far.

Anyone expecting an offensive dynamo was being foolish, but we should appreciate what we've got - a top notch shut down d-man who can chip in on offense, at a very reasonable price.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

OP logic: it only takes 12 games to decide if a player is a bust or not. It makes it even more accurate when those 12 games are with a brand new team.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

Ballard does not suck. When he plays with emotion, he can be one of our best defensemen. Better than Hamhuis.

Duco wasn't given the chance to play more minutes and a bigger role on the 4th line. He was suppose to be an enforcer but he wasn't given the chance to show what he could do. Oreskovich had somewhat of an impact but he wasn't fighting when he was suppose to be our "tough" guy. He throws hits and is decent defensively. That's what we expect from 3rd/4th line grinders.

And I'm pretty sure Reinprecht never even played a game as a Canuck. He was acquired just for salary issues and that the Panthers could dump someone back because they knew they were taking two oldies for a great young player. Give Garrison more time, he'll understand how the West works and how AV wants him to be played, and he'll flourish. It's just like Jay Bouwmeester. Everyone expected Bouwmeester to do extremely well and produce offensively for the Flames but after three or four seasons, he hasn't done jack squat but he's finally understood what it takes to play in the West.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

Stopped reading at, "Jason Garrison has been a bust with a measly 2 points in 12 games."
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

I'm sorry... Ballard has looked pretty good this season.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

Guys Henrik Sedin is a bust.... 0 goals, and only 8 assists in 12 games... He's getting powerplay time, and still hasn't racked up a goal. Last game he got pushed around wayyyy too much for a first liner...
Am I doing it right?

We're 8-2-2, without Kesler and Booth. Watch, once Kesler is back Garrison will start to score. Kesler makes his living in front of the net screening goalies. Screened goalie, and a Garisson clapper? Also I'd like to add Garrison had the hardest shot on the Canucks.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

Points aren't everything he's playing good defensively hence the +7
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:59 PM

team doesn't use him really well on the powerplay, no one ever sets him up for an easy one timer and instead choose to give it to him in awkward positions where he can't take a shot or an easy one at least
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

We need Campbell to set him up on the PP
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

team doesn't use him really well on the powerplay, no one ever sets him up for an easy one timer and instead choose to give it to him in awkward positions where he can't take a shot or an easy one at least

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

Hes fine defensively it's just a matter of time until he can contribute offensively like he did in Florida by getting used to our system. Have some patience with the guy...
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:06 PM

I am actually impressed by Garrison's defensive play. Big and strong guy, capable of clearing people away from the net.. I didn't expect him to be as good as he has been...

His offensive play has been disappointing so far for sure though. He doesn't shoot the puck enough, and when he does, it's usually blocked or misses the net.. We are gonna need him to start producing soon
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

Garrison is a better fit here. We needed more of a shutdown guy and that isn't Carle. Carle is alright, but Edler and Bieksa make him redundant.

Anyway, our defense is very nice-looking right now the way it is. The goalies aren't complaining.

Sure, Garry's not putting up a lot of points at the moment, but Edler sure is.

Lol at the 'verdict' of a player from a person who clearly lacks a meaningful understanding of the game.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:12 PM

Don't know what games you have been watching, kid. Garrison and Ballard have been the Canuck's two best D, from what I see. Tanev and Bieksa have been good and Hammer and Eddie haven't played up to their regular high standard.

An 8-2-2 record indicates to me that more things are going right than wrong defensively. Garrison's +7 is a pretty nice stat, too.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:16 PM

Nope, he's a BC boy, it has been a dream for him to play for the Canucks.

But to be honest he hasn't look too great so far. Yesterday, you could blame him on the lone goal by the Wild as he failed to get it out. I think he really needs practice shooting on target than just blasting it and going wide.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

OP logic: it only takes 12 games to decide if a player is a bust or not. It makes it even more accurate when those 12 games are with a brand new team.


I guess that means both Hodgson and Grabner were bust here too. :frantic:
No wonder they were traded.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:18 PM

Wow, some people should just stay away from the computer. Garrison has been very good and will continue to get better when he is comfortable with the system. He is big and mobile, and makes a great first pass. I think the Canucks need to get him back on the power play, but maybe they're working on things in practice first. His shot needs to be on net more as he seems to not be missing more often then not.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:21 PM

Reinprecht? Really? Pretty sure we took him in order to get our 3rd rounder back because Florida didn't want to pay him that kind of money to sit in the minors.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

We have the best goals against in the conference and tied for the best in the NHL....

Oh I'm sorry is there something wrong with our defense?

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