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#1 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:08 PM

The facts:
  • 6'6
  • 215 pounds
  • Career high - 19 points
  • Last year on a 1.1 cap hit contract
  • Last year he had 8 goals
  • Faceoff stats the past three years (not incl. this year): 58%, 62.3%, 59.2%
  • 170 hits/76 games last year

Who: David Steckel.

So, it was thought that Steckel would be the perfect fit under RC in Toronto, but he seems to have fallen out of favour, having played only 5 games - although he is playing today, he has had less ice time today than any other Leaf besides Colton Orr.

Back in his Washington days he played regularly on the PK (1st amongst forwards on his team in 2009-2010 in SHTOI/G) and took important faceoffs.

He's a big body, who isn't afraid to play physical, is great on the faceoffs and can play LW if needed.

Other reasons why Gillis might be interested is that he's a former 1st round pick and he wore the 'A' during his college days, indicating good character. He played on the same college team as Ryan Kesler. Also, if there's any chance GMMG is moving RL to WSH, then there will be a connection already here (a la Higgins & Lapierre type thing).

With Manny out, a guy like this will be useful IMO.

Something like this could be reasonable..

To Toronto: 4th round pick 2013 + Andrew Ebbett + ___________ (?)
To Vancouver: David Steckel + a 7th rounder 2014

Then the Canucks could ice a bottom-4 of:

Volpatti - Steckel - Lapierre
Weise

And Nonis gets a decent depth player to replace Steckel's current position as well as a better piece for the future.

Thoughts?
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

I like it.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

Doesn't really make sense for TO, injury bug has bit.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

Would rather grab Jim Slater. Brings everything Steckel brings, is more consistent, way faster and more gritty IMO, he's just smaller.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:27 PM

i agree, getting a good face off man to replace manny's skill would be great.. bozak.......
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:36 PM

I like Steckel, though your deal is confusing. I see us dealing a late pick for him 4th or worse, that and dumping a contract that isn't working (Sauve, Rai, etc.).
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:38 PM

I've been saying this for a while, he'd be a great fit as a 4th line centre. Him or Boyle from NYR.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:45 PM

Ebbett has no value though.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:22 PM

Doesn't really make sense for TO, injury bug has bit.


Ebbett can take a roster spot & Colborne can come up.

They gotta keep thinking about their future for now.

Would rather grab Jim Slater. Brings everything Steckel brings, is more consistent, way faster and more gritty IMO, he's just smaller.


I'd rather have Jimmy Slater too, but I don't know if he's as available. He's a good role player/leader for the Jets. Steckel has been outcasted.

I like Steckel, though your deal is confusing. I see us dealing a late pick for him 4th or worse, that and dumping a contract that isn't working (Sauve, Rai, etc.).


A 4th + Ebbett for Steckel + a 7th. So, not that far off from what you're saying.

Ebbett has no value though.


Nope. But he's a decent depth player who has some games under his belt this year to replace Steckel as the 13th forward.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:26 PM

steckel yes please
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:34 PM

steckel yes please


what is with these retards vancouver is deep at center we dont need any more centers sedin kes shroeder lapps higgins we are good if anything we need a upgrade on weise hes not tough wont fight anyone heavy weight is a plug we miss a big hitter physical force like torres

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:36 PM

what is with these retards vancouver is deep at center we dont need any more centers sedin kes shroeder lapps higgins we are good if anything we need a upgrade on weise hes not tough wont fight anyone heavy weight is a plug we miss a big hitter physical force like torres

- canuktravella


What?
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:45 PM

What?


I was quoting canuktravella's post from the thread "Available centres". He called a thread-full of posters retards for suggesting the Canucks could use another centre. And then in this thread he said we should pick up Steckel, and in Van-NJD/Van-CLB thread he supported acquiring Johansen.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:22 PM

Would rather grab Jim Slater. Brings everything Steckel brings, is more consistent, way faster and more gritty IMO, he's just smaller.


I know you have an obsession with Jim Slater (and I agree he is a very solid bottom-six player), he is worth WAY more than Steckel and Jets fans/organization love him. They won't give him away cheap and it won't be worth it for us to have to make Gaustad-type move for him.

With Manny out we just need a left-handed guy who can win faceoffs. Steckel can do that. I wouldn't be opposed to acquiring him for cheap.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:25 PM

Just not a fan of Steckel, he is big and can win faceoffs but he doesn't use his size effectively and is slow.

Would look at someone like Derek Mackenzie before Steckel myself.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:36 PM

I was quoting canuktravella's post from the thread "Available centres". He called a thread-full of posters retards for suggesting the Canucks could use another centre. And then in this thread he said we should pick up Steckel, and in Van-NJD/Van-CLB thread he supported acquiring Johansen.


ahahha, I see.

I know you have an obsession with Jim Slater (and I agree he is a very solid bottom-six player), he is worth WAY more than Steckel and Jets fans/organization love him. They won't give him away cheap and it won't be worth it for us to have to make Gaustad-type move for him.

With Manny out we just need a left-handed guy who can win faceoffs. Steckel can do that. I wouldn't be opposed to acquiring him for cheap.


Hear hear.

Just not a fan of Steckel, he is big and can win faceoffs but he doesn't use his size effectively and is slow.

Would look at someone like Derek Mackenzie before Steckel myself.


How does he not use his size effectively? He throws hits as much as anybody. He was the most used forward on the PK by both Boudreau and Wilson.. He's been mis-cast in Toronto this year is all.

He plays pretty much the exact role as Malhotra, except he's a bit bigger and Manny was a bit faster.

Looks fast enough to keep up with the play to me...


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:51 PM

How does he not use his size effectively? He throws hits as much as anybody. He was the most used forward on the PK by both Boudreau and Wilson.. He's been mis-cast in Toronto this year is all.

He plays pretty much the exact role as Malhotra, except he's a bit bigger and Manny was a bit faster.


He doesn't though. He just doesn't always use his size effective, he's not always physical enough for his size. There is a reason he is struggling. If he was as physical as you think he wouldn't be a healthy scratch, especially with Carlyle as the coach who loves to be big, mean and phsyical.

I just think there are better options honestly. He is good on faceoffs & has alot of size but not overly impressive anywhere else.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:57 PM

He doesn't though. He just doesn't always use his size effective, he's not always physical enough for his size. There is a reason he is struggling. If he was as physical as you think he wouldn't be a healthy scratch, especially with Carlyle as the coach who loves to be big, mean and phsyical.

I just think there are better options honestly. He is good on faceoffs & has alot of size but not overly impressive anywhere else.


Hmm.. from what I've seen he is physical enough (+ he had more hits than any Canuck last year not named Maxim) and considering he can be a role player - PKer & faceoff taker, AND the fact that is value is probably at a low, I think he'd be a good acquisition.

Obviously there's a little risk considering the way Carlyle has been treating him, but you don't want to overpay for a role player either.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:03 PM

Hmm.. from what I've seen he is physical enough (+ he had more hits than any Canuck last year not named Maxim) and considering he can be a role player - PKer & faceoff taker, AND the fact that is value is probably at a low, I think he'd be a good acquisition.

Obviously there's a little risk considering the way Carlyle has been treating him, but you don't want to overpay for a role player either.


He's really just a depth player.

Personally I would look at guys like Mattias, Chipchura and Petteri Nokelainen.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:34 PM

Would rather grab Jim Slater. Brings everything Steckel brings, is more consistent, way faster and more gritty IMO, he's just smaller.

As you mentioned in your proposal, Slater just isn't an easy get. And Steckel has been pretty good, but something's off this year so he may well be out.

I like Steckel, though your deal is confusing. I see us dealing a late pick for him 4th or worse, that and dumping a contract that isn't working (Sauve, Rai, etc.).

Yeah, I know it's only Ebbett, but throwing in picks and then the '+_________' on top of it?

It's nice to hear about his stats previous years, but have you seen his stats this year?
6gp, 0pts, -1, 5 hits, 7:02min/gm, 41.7f/o%

He's on the Leafs and is not doing well even when they are. Somethings up.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:46 PM

Yeah, I know it's only Ebbett, but throwing in picks and then the '+_________' on top of it?

It's nice to hear about his stats previous years, but have you seen his stats this year?
6gp, 0pts, -1, 5 hits, 7:02min/gm, 41.7f/o%

He's on the Leafs and is not doing well even when they are. Somethings up.


Sorry, I didn't want to make it too exact, because I find nitpicking actually just distracts from the ideas of the proposal - the chance of anyone on here ever predicting an exact trade is pretty rare.

Look at his time on ice per game though: 716, 415, 651, 437, 934, 903

In 2/6 games he played under 10 shifts...

Add that to the fact he's a 5 and a 9 day gap in between games this season, it could just be bad luck. Similar to Ballard when he first got here. If you can't find a rhythm it can be a negative thing for sure.

I honestly haven't seen him once this year, so I can't comment with confidence, but in previous years he's been good, and I think for the role he would play here, he's worth the risk and at worst is probably a better 13th forward than Ebbett.

The only thing the Canucks really lose is a 4th turning into a 7th. Medium risk, good reward, IMO.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:53 PM

He doesn't though. He just doesn't always use his size effective, he's not always physical enough for his size. There is a reason he is struggling. If he was as physical as you think he wouldn't be a healthy scratch, especially with Carlyle as the coach who loves to be big, mean and phsyical.

I just think there are better options honestly. He is good on faceoffs & has alot of size but not overly impressive anywhere else.


There are better options, but not necessarily cheaper or better value. Steckel would be cheap. And all we really need him to do to replace Manny is win faceoffs and then get off the ice. That's all Manny really did last/this season . We don't really need him to be fast/physical as long as he doesn't hurt the team defensively.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:09 AM

There are better options, but not necessarily cheaper or better value. Steckel would be cheap. And all we really need him to do to replace Manny is win faceoffs and then get off the ice. That's all Manny really did last/this season . We don't really need him to be fast/physical as long as he doesn't hurt the team defensively.


He may not be though, as Caboose said the injury bug has bit.

Maybe they aren't in a position to make a move right now.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:47 AM

Of the Leafs games I have watched this year (keeping an eye on some goaltending around the league) I don't know if he was playing or not. I've watched at least parts of enough games that I should have seen something worthwhile from him if he had it.

From what Leafs fans are saying, they'd love to dump him on someone, but that's hardly reason for us to pick him up. Granted, if they wanted to swap him straight up for Ebbett, I'd look at it, but not for a heck of a lot more.

From HFBoards:



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Steckel is in and out of Leafs line-up. He is likely available and has been one of top face-off guys in NHL for years. A good stop-gap...

take him please

They're either talking like that, or get rid of him for a lower pick, or they're being slightly more realistic and thinking it's a bad idea to get rid of any kind of centre depth (sensible at least) without an overpayment.

Or there's this one:

What to do with David Steckel
I know what you're thinking, David who? I actually completely forgot that this guy is on our team anymore until I looked at the team roster. Anyways, the leafs only have one roster spot remaining and with Brown set to come back soon and Gunnarsson being back in the near future, what's going to give? Someone has to be traded/waived/sent down with the emergence of Kadri and Frattin. On the Kadri topic he has proved that he is a capable NHL centreman and coupling in with McClement's recent success as our fourth line/pk centre it seems as if Steckel has become redundant. He's slow, doesn't put up points and was frankly slotted into our fourth line centre role yet couldn't keep it against the likes of McClement and Kadri. So again I ask, what do we do with David Steckel? I'm sure we could get a 5th or 6th for him since he can still win draws.

For all it's worth, he might get waived as players get healthy again.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:58 AM

Of the Leafs games I have watched this year (keeping an eye on some goaltending around the league) I don't know if he was playing or not. I've watched at least parts of enough games that I should have seen something worthwhile from him if he had it.

From what Leafs fans are saying, they'd love to dump him on someone, but that's hardly reason for us to pick him up. Granted, if they wanted to swap him straight up for Ebbett, I'd look at it, but not for a heck of a lot more.

From HFBoards:

They're either talking like that, or get rid of him for a lower pick, or they're being slightly more realistic and thinking it's a bad idea to get rid of any kind of centre depth (sensible at least) without an overpayment.

Or there's this one:

For all it's worth, he might get waived as players get healthy again.


I am always skeptical when it comes to fans, because as you can tell by CDC the majority don't always reflect the truth.

However, if Ebbett + a 6th or a waiver claim is it all takes, I'd be on board if I were GMMG.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:57 AM

I would rather the Canucks go after Matt Hendricks from the Caps, perfect fit for the Canucks can play wing and center. Wonder what it would take to get him? Solves grit issue and can hit like a truck.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:35 PM

The facts:



We overpay.

Reading this only confirms my earlier thoughts: http://hfboards.hock...=1#post59793099

Steckel really does nothing other than win faceoffs and isn't worth more than a 5th.

I would offer Ebbett + 6th but nothing more honestly.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:48 PM

Kesler doesn't like him from college days, we don't need any locker room distractions like that.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:57 PM

Kesler doesn't like him from college days, we don't need any locker room distractions like that.

Lol is there anyone that Kesler hasn't had a feud with in his college days?
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:19 PM

Kesler doesn't like him from college days, we don't need any locker room distractions like that.


Is that true? Howdoya know?
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