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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:06 AM

All i read was AV and Moron in the same sentence then i was like :picard:

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:18 AM

Ummm...when did I say I want him?

You should read posts before responding. I was simply stating competitive teams with a number of tough guys.

On a side not, apparently MG tried going after him July 1st and Glass turned him down. That says something.

I'm not doubting, in anyway, that MG is a top GM in the NHL. However, he needs to except the fact that this soft skilled roster won't work.


Well judging from our debate we had about enforcers last time (John Scott vs Shawn Thornton thread) I'd believe that you would want Glass back on this team, but to be fair you never did say you wanted him lol.

Yeah I heard about that too, apparently It was because the Penguins were willing to give him more ice time and a more versatile role, on a deep team like Vancouver he'd be stuck on the 4th line or a healthy scratch.

I trust MG knows what he's doing, I do not think an enforcer who plays 6-7mins is the answer however, I would not be opposed to a Chris Neil type but those players don't grow on trees
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:20 AM

Aren't we on a 6 game winning streak? I feel bad for the person who has to please you on a daily basis...
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

I've had enough of this idiocy from Gillis, and the rest of you should be sick of it, too. The Canucks still have absolutely no one that the team can stand to lose for 5-10 mins during any given game who can truly make other teams think twice about taking cheap shots at Vancouver's star players. Manny's gone, so a spot is open, and whatever Volpatti and/or Weise provide to the team can easily be supplemented by Vandermeer with the type of intimidation he brings to the table. Yet, Gillis remains sitting on his ass, spewing his nonsense about how the game cannot be policed by the players and that all of that has to come through enforcement of the rules by on-ice officials as well as those in charge of handing out supplementary discipline. WAKE UP, GILLIS, YOU MORON!! The Sedins continue to get mugged on the ice nearly every game; they are sheltered from absolutely none of this by those people you expect to provide them with protection; and the only person on the team's roster who has the potential to supply them with any of this desperately needed protection has all the following going against him:

- he's 22 years old, and thus has nearly no NHL fighting experience in comparison to the other goons who are often deployed to target the Sedins;

- he's a top-six forward, and is expected to behave as such, which more than likely confuses him as to when he should drop the gloves, if ever;

- and the two players who are supposed to be scoring most of the team's goals currently are not, thus suggesting to him that he stay on the ice and continue to provide the offense they cannot right now instead of scaring the sh*t out of any other players and being sent to the box.

If Vandermeer takes Volpatti's place, the team loses a bit of speed of the fourth line, but so be it. If he takes Weise's place, it loses speed and a fairly good PK man, but Vandermeer can work on improving his abilities in this area over the season and make up for what he's lacking by providing some actual toughness to this team. Either way, the Canucks are better off. THE SEDINS NEED P-R-O-T-E-C-T-I-O-N, and Dan O'Halloran or whatever other dickhead official that clearly has a dislike for Vancouver's star players is not going to provide them with it. Get off your ass, Gillis, and get something done for a change, because other teams have no reservations taking liberties with our players with the way you've built built this team for your entire run as GM. And the fact that you seem to wear that as a badge of pride is absolutely shameful.


So why was Kassian skating with the Sedins last game if they need protection? Sounds like you didn't watch any games.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:39 AM

I threw out a guess. Oh no I was wrong. My point is still correct that fighting isn't a big part of the playoffs. All you have to do is watch the games to know that.

Glad you find so much enjoyment out of pointing that out though, but you're really adding nothing to the conversation. Which I was actually trying to do.

And if both players drop the gloves and throw punches, that's a fighting major. The only way it is a double minor for roughing is if one guy drops the gloves and the other guy doesn't.


You were wrong alright, by a wide margin. But, I'm glad that you finally admitted that you were wrong.

I do watch the games, and I also know that fighting is still part of the game, playoffs or not, and it's always good to have a guy at your disposal who can take care of that aspect of the game. You need a well rounded team who can play the game anyway that it happens to go, and in my opinion, having a guy who can take a regular shift and fight like Vandermeer, is required.

No, you see, you're wrong again. If one guy drops the gloves and the other guy doesn't and the guy who drops the gloves throws punches, he still gets a major. It has no bearing on if his opponent drops his gloves too. If I drop my gloves and you don't and I still start throwing punches at you, I'm getting a major and a game, not a double roughing.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:41 AM

Read my post again, genius. You really think there are never any times when there would be an overlap between the Canucks putting out their fourth line and the opposing team's first (or any other) line or any one of their defensive pairings? If you really believe that, don't even mention the words hockey IQ to me, you numbskull. How about when the first line of an opposing team ices the puck and is thus forced to take a faceoff in their defensive zone and can't make a line change. You really think they'll just effortlessly be able to win the draw against Lapierre, clear the puck out of their zone, AND make a line change before a guy like Vandermeer could grab a guy like Keith and start pounding his face into the ice?? That could and would easily happen if Gillis had any wits about him and the courage to make the right moves to protect his star players. But the guy is a coward. No wonder he was a players agent for such a long time, the sleazeball.


You really don't seem to understand time, opportunity, and reality, or hockey in this day and age. To get all those things to happen would be a perfect storm. Hockey players don't just drop people off of a face-off and frack them up like they're living in the hood. The lights are on, thousands are watching every move. This seems like a movie you watched lately. Hockey is real life. It might be just and I never had a problem with the old rules but this is reality man.

You don't seem to worry about reprecussions in this situation? You don't think about that at all? You just drop a guy and start a bloodfest? This doesn't happen anymore because teams would fined like a m'fer and possibly even lose points. Do you think any team in the NHL behaves like this, even the Bruins? No. That's ridiculous.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:45 AM

Hah. With the refs calling things the way they were, we would have gotten a penalty for that.

Would that really be worth it?

The refs clearly let the Bruins run around freely and do what they want. It was not an even playing field.


All I hear is whine, whine, whine. The Canucks should have manned up and fought back but they didn't have the team to do so. That's why I much preferred the 94 team. They could play the game any way that you wanted, skill, speed, toughness, they had it all, unlike the team from 2 years ago.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:46 AM

Aren't we on a 6 game winning streak? I feel bad for the person who has to please you on a daily basis...


This has nothing to do with our regular season success.

It's liberties being taken on our stars, and being pushed around in the playoffs.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:47 AM

This stupid argument needs to stop getting posted. If a guy like Vandermeer had been with the team at the time, the hit probably wouldn't have happened IN THE FIRST PLACE. Holy moly, the density in here is stifling.


Because a player making a split second decision thinks about who or who may not be on the bench. You have obviously never played an serious second of hockey in your entire life and you completely disrespect the players as a whole.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:50 AM

Funny how you completely ignored the part about 29 teams not claiming him.

If he had other offers, why wouldn't those teams have claimed him? :lol:

I'll take my logic over yours.


I'm just going by what Vandermeer was quoted as saying. So, you can take your childish little smily face and.......... because I'm only going by what he was directly quoted as saying. Not too sure what reason he would have to lie because he said it after he'd already signed with the Canucks, so his leberage was already gone.

You and logic.........ummmm, should probably never be used in the same sentence again.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:57 AM

Having toughness is not limited to having an enforcer.

I have a question for you, do you think Marchand does this if the tables are reversed? Say Sedin plays for the Bruins and Marchand plays for the Canucks. Does Marchand do this when he knows Lucic, Chara, Thornton, et all are on the other team?



I put that on Daniel, he should have at least cross checked him back or hacked him if he wasnt going to punch him.

Guys like Marchand dont care whos on the other side, hes a rat..


Experience and learning from mistakes is the best teacher. The canucks seem to be tougher collectively this year, hopefully it translates to the playoffs.

All you gotta do is stick up for yourself.. Make a scene, your teammates will come help if needed.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:04 AM

For those that love Vandy so much, have you guys seen his fights?
Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've seen, he's not actually a good fighter. Most of the clips where he fights tough guys, he actually loses

His strength or positive is that he always shows up to fight but I wouldnt count on him to win fights to pump up the crowd or instill fear


This is what's important. I laugh at how eveyone overvalues if someone can fight or not. The only thing that matters is that you get into a fight when it's needed. Games are won by scoring more goals than the other team. Both fighters receive the same reward for a fight. A five minute penalty. Your fans might value you more but the scoreboard doesn't care.

Even if the fans scream and shout and the energy is electric the players themselves still play the game and shut everything out. Players skating with power, players being tired, going the extra mile, fighting through a check. This is what wins games, not a belief for 30 minutes based on a premise of fighting glory. Actual hard work accomplishes this.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:30 AM

And which defenseman would he bump?

Having a goon defenseman in the box for 5 minutes a game doesn't do us any good. It just means that the rest of our D have to play with different partners and play more minutes. Which increases our chance of losing. And the other teams goons will take advantage of this.

If we're gonna get a tough guy, we need to get one that can also play. Vandermeer is not that guy.


He suggested bumping Weise or Volpatti.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:48 AM

Saw the Bolded text, gave a one star, wrote this, /next.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:59 AM

I agree. In 5 years if this team has not won a cup with this current core, gillis should be blasted for not adressing the toughness issue.

The book is open on the Canucks and nothing has changed. Playing these games against bad northwestern teams will be nothing like the playoff games this team will encounter. The sedins will be roughed up and no one will do anything about it except for kassian who will try and stand his ground against 3 opposing players while his line mates skate to the bench with their heads down to avoid confrontation.

If you are going to play volpatti or weise 5 minutes a game then get a legit enforcer to play those minutes, Gillis is acting like a hypocrite. All the fans who are saying this is not an issue will change their mind years down the road if this team has not won a cup. They have the players to win the cup but won't because gillis's ego won't allow him to go against his own iedeolgy and get a legit enforcer. This will be a dark mark on the Canucks for years to come.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:49 AM

I agree. In 5 years if this team has not won a cup with this current core, gillis should be blasted for not adressing the toughness issue.

The book is open on the Canucks and nothing has changed. Playing these games against bad northwestern teams will be nothing like the playoff games this team will encounter. The sedins will be roughed up and no one will do anything about it except for kassian who will try and stand his ground against 3 opposing players while his line mates skate to the bench with their heads down to avoid confrontation.  

If you are going to play volpatti or weise 5 minutes a game then get a legit enforcer to play those minutes,  Gillis is acting like a hypocrite. All the fans who are saying this is not an issue will change their mind years down the road if this team has not won a cup. They have the players to win the cup but won't because gillis's ego won't allow him to go against his own iedeolgy and get a legit enforcer. This will be a dark mark on the Canucks for years to come.

Maybe he hasnt found one that can play hockey, btw can you give me your take on why Boston got knocked out of the 1st round last year by one of the softest teams in the east..you know that great tough Boston team that a lot of people here have a love affair with.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:49 AM

I agree. In 5 years if this team has not won a cup with this current core, gillis should be blasted for not adressing the toughness issue.

The book is open on the Canucks and nothing has changed. Playing these games against bad northwestern teams will be nothing like the playoff games this team will encounter. The sedins will be roughed up and no one will do anything about it except for kassian who will try and stand his ground against 3 opposing players while his line mates skate to the bench with their heads down to avoid confrontation.  

If you are going to play volpatti or weise 5 minutes a game then get a legit enforcer to play those minutes,  Gillis is acting like a hypocrite. All the fans who are saying this is not an issue will change their mind years down the road if this team has not won a cup. They have the players to win the cup but won't because gillis's ego won't allow him to go against his own iedeolgy and get a legit enforcer. This will be a dark mark on the Canucks for years to come.

Maybe he hasnt found one that can play hockey, btw can you give me your take on why Boston got knocked out of the 1st round last year by one of the softest teams in the east..you know that great tough Boston team that a lot of people here have a love affair with.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:31 AM

All I hear is whine, whine, whine. The Canucks should have manned up and fought back but they didn't have the team to do so. That's why I much preferred the 94 team. They could play the game any way that you wanted, skill, speed, toughness, they had it all, unlike the team from 2 years ago.


That's funny because if you look at our playoff run in 94' in the Finals Odjick didn't even play. Yes we had Hunter and Antoski on limited minutes, but that was it.

We lost to Boston because:
1) We couldn't score on the road.
2) We couldn't defend on the road.
3) The team didn't show up in game 7.

The Canucks were more beat up in the Finals against Boston, and we lost key players.
If we had a 100% healthy team we might have had a chance.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:02 AM

Playoff hockey last year was a full thug fest, like nothing i've ever seen before.

Bring up Vandermeer and sign one more absolute thug.

a monster, 6"4 min... ++ 230lbs+++ with a mean streak.

You missed it, Kassian was put on waivers and cleared.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:07 AM

Gillis does not decide who plays with who. AV doesn't decide who is on the roster either. If the Sedins need that much on ice protection the AV will line up Kassian, Volpatti, Wiese or whoever else is on the current roster.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:22 AM

So been reading on both sides of the arguement. Just wondering, if we do have Vandermeer in the lineup, is it a big enough deterrent?

I mean opposing players are still going to finish their hits on the Sedins or get in a scrum after the whistle. IT is not a deterrent if you choose not to fight.

The Sedins have to be better adapted to this. In all their time in the NHL, they should know what opponents do to try to get them off their game. They can't get frustrated. They have to bring an element to their game where they can work around it.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:57 AM

This thread was an entertaining read for 4 threads, then tiring afterwards.

Look, Vandermeer is not the answer. As has been stated much earlier, the Canucks have two great options to play with the Sedin's. Once in the playoffs, they will most likely play Burrows with them; however, if the game/series is chippy and more aggressive, then AV will simply play Kassian with them, who can also contribute offensively.

However, if the trade deadline approaches and Gillis wants to have his bases covered, thinking that perhaps Volpatti and Kassian aren't quite enough, then I have the perfect answer for them. Chris Thorburn. In Winnipeg, we love the guy, and he's cheap. However, the Jets do not look like they will will make the playoffs this year, and can probably get a 2nd or 3rd round pick in return for him (6'3", 230 pounds). Perfect player for the Canucks to add as insurance on the 4th line.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:15 AM

BULL****. We have some players who can protect themselves, but none who can protect others! Bieksa, Ballard, Lapierre, etc. are all guys who can look out for themselves, but none are causing any goons from taking shots at the Sedins -- and there's absolutely no debating this.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:18 AM

Some of my best friends ride on a little yellow bus, and everyone of them thinks you are acting like a cretin .. :frantic:


Sorry for that...
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

I see a use for the goon, but I'm extremely capitalist:

prime example: Duncan Kieth injures Sedin? A "useless" player like Vandermeer injures Kieth equally. Same attack. Plain and simple.

These goons are a dime a dozen. Every time one gets suspended, find a new one. Cannon fodder.

example 2: a goon injures a Sedin? Have our goon injure their star player.

Sick of the NHL. They don't care about star players. They care about ratings, which come from dirty hits.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

ALWAYS LOVE TO HEAR OPINIONS OF OTHERS IF THEY WERE GM, BUT THIS IS RIDICULOUS!
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:38 AM

Wow, this is the third time that you've used the the term "tard" or "retard" that I've seen in this thread alone. You're quite the hero for trying to insult someone by using words that are terms used for the mentally handicapped who have no control over their disability........Do you make fun of the pyhsically handicapped too? Somebody should slap the stupid out of you....but then you'd still be ignorant.



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:41 AM

What a stunning counter-argument. I peg you as the captain of your school's debate team. Amitrite?


Ironically, you are quite trite.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:50 AM

That's funny because if you look at our playoff run in 94' in the Finals Odjick didn't even play. Yes we had Hunter and Antoski on limited minutes, but that was it.

We lost to Boston because:
1) We couldn't score on the road.
2) We couldn't defend on the road.
3) The team didn't show up in game 7.

The Canucks were more beat up in the Finals against Boston, and we lost key players.
If we had a 100% healthy team we might have had a chance.


I find it humorous that people seem to think the reason we lost to Boston was because we werent tough enough. Its completely fabricated, and unfounded. In fact the Sharks played us way tougher than Boston did, and we all know what we did to them.

Thomas played out of his mind. We couldnt buy a goal, PP or otherwise. We averaged 34 shots a game. We just simply couldnt match up with a team that was extremely deep, and our injuries plagued us in a huge way. Thats it.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:15 AM

I find it humorous that people seem to think the reason we lost to Boston was because we werent tough enough. Its completely fabricated, and unfounded. In fact the Sharks played us way tougher than Boston did, and we all know what we did to them.

Thomas played out of his mind. We couldnt buy a goal, PP or otherwise. We averaged 34 shots a game. We just simply couldnt match up with a team that was extremely deep, and our injuries plagued us in a huge way. Thats it.


Yeah, it's quite hilarious.

Boston played unreal team defence. Even though we had the majority of the play, made more hits, and outshot them a lot of our stuff was perimiter, and when it wasn't Thomas stood on his head. These are the same people that think Daniel Sedin getting pushed in the face a couple times lost us the series. Way to let the media interpret the game for you. They did that because it sells, not because one scrum where no one got hurt won or lost a SCF series. What a joke. We also gave away horriible, horrible, unforgivable short-handed goals like we always do. Add the injuries and lack of a quality coach for our powerplay and it was all over but the crying.
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