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#1 VAN_FAN_MATT

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:02 PM

To COL
D.Booth
B.Sweatt

To VAN
R.O'Reilly

IMO O'Reilly is an intriguing trade option. He is younger and brings more grit and two way play to the table than Booth so there would be some upgrade there, and can also play centre when need be.

I'd be alright with this IF the Canucks can re-sign O'Reilly for between 4-4.5 mil/per for 3 or 4 years.

But I'm not only doubtful that the Canucks would be able to sign O'Reilly to that above stated contract figure, but also doubtful tha the AVs would accept to deal him to us for Booth and Sweat. Might have to throw a 3rd round pick in there as well to make it a little more enticing for them.

I'm sure there are few other teams that could put together a better package deal than this for O'Reilly.


Would you trade Booth and Sweatt to COL for O'Reilly?

Edited by VAN_FAN_MATT, 15 February 2013 - 01:07 PM.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:11 PM

O'Reilly is already a stand out two-way player and other teams are going to offer much better deals than Booth, Sweatt and a 3rd rounder. Not to mention that the asking price would be higher for a division rival.

We would have to overpay, something along the lines of Booth and Higgins is my guess. Which I would do if we can sign him to a similar contract as Burrows, maybe more length.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:31 PM

yeah Colorado doesn't want to sign O'Reilly at 4-5M, but will take on Booth's 4.25 cap hit (and 4.5 real salary)

Please think about it for a second.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:22 PM

I don't know what it would take to make it happen; but Hank, Kesler and O'Reilly down the middle sounds awfully good to me. Late-
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

:picard: PEOPLE!!!! O'Reilly is not coming to Vancouver, unless he signs with them when he is a UFA. There is no way Colorado is trading him to the Canucks for that package or almost any other package the Canucks would be willing to offer.

If you want Sherman to consider it you will have to start with something like this:

Kassian
Schroeder
1st Round Pick (2014)

Or if you're not willing to propose Kassian then:

Jensen
Gaunce
Schroeder
1st Round Pick (2014)
2nd Round Pick (2013)

Or if you have some incriminating evidence against Sherman and are willing to blackmail him:

Booth
Sweatt
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

:picard: PEOPLE!!!! O'Reilly is not coming to Vancouver, unless he signs with them when he is a UFA. There is no way Colorado is trading him to the Canucks for that package or almost any other package the Canucks would be willing to offer.

If you want Sherman to consider it you will have to start with something like this:

Kassian
Schroeder
1st Round Pick (2014)

Or if you're not willing to propose Kassian then:

Jensen
Gaunce
Schroeder
1st Round Pick (2014)
2nd Round Pick (2013)

Or if you have some incriminating evidence against Sherman and are willing to blackmail him:

Booth
Sweatt


While I agree that we won't be trading for him, I really think you are overrating O'reilly is these proposals. It doesn't take 3 1st round picks to pry away a player that won't sign.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:10 PM

:picard: PEOPLE!!!! O'Reilly is not coming to Vancouver, unless he signs with them when he is a UFA. There is no way Colorado is trading him to the Canucks for that package or almost any other package the Canucks would be willing to offer.

If you want Sherman to consider it you will have to start with something like this:

Kassian
Schroeder
1st Round Pick (2014)


Or if you're not willing to propose Kassian then:

Jensen
Gaunce
Schroeder
1st Round Pick (2014)
2nd Round Pick (2013)


Or if you have some incriminating evidence against Sherman and are willing to blackmail him:

Booth
Sweatt


Good lord, is O'Reilly code for Gretzky all of a sudden?!
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:20 PM

While I agree that we won't be trading for him, I really think you are overrating O'reilly is these proposals. It doesn't take 3 1st round picks to pry away a player that won't sign.

It absolutely does if they are in the same division. What would it take for MG to trade Schnieder to the Oilers... Far more than he is worth. Is it ridonkulous overpayment? yes. will it happen? no. Just because he doesn't sign doesn't mean the Lanche are giving him away for a bag of pucks, and if they do they are giving him away back east.

Could the Canucks give less and still get him yah maybe, but realistically its going to be a major trade if it happens.

Maybe something like:

Kassian
Schroeder
1st

O'Reilly
Jones
3rd

Edited by Aladeen, 15 February 2013 - 03:24 PM.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

While I agree that we won't be trading for him, I really think you are overrating O'reilly is these proposals. It doesn't take 3 1st round picks to pry away a player that won't sign.

Yup, Phoenix traded Turris for Rundblad and a 2nd. Colorado wants a roster player and top prospect as O'Reilly has been better than Turris was at that point in his career, but can't ask for the moon.

Having said all that, Colorado would have offered O'Reilly ~$4.5M or so if they felt he was worth it rather than trade him for someone already making that in Booth. With injuries to their wingers, they might like to have more depth there, but they'd want us to overpay being as we're a divisional rival. That makes the deal unlikely as we aren't that desperate for a center with Kesler back today - at least not a top 6 one.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

Good lord, is O'Reilly code for Gretzky all of a sudden?!

I am giving examples of what types of things get divisional gms on the phone to get players that you want. Did I say he was gretzky or worth that or the only piece coming back? Something has to peak Sherman's interest... either way all I am saying is it's not happening. So before you jump to conclusions like I am saying O'Reilly is Gretzky read what I'm saying K? K.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:41 PM

there is absolutely no reason for a team to trade more than a 1st, 2nd, an 3rd for ROR. Offer sheet?
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:51 PM

I am giving examples of what types of things get divisional gms on the phone to get players that you want. Did I say he was gretzky or worth that or the only piece coming back? Something has to peak Sherman's interest... either way all I am saying is it's not happening. So before you jump to conclusions like I am saying O'Reilly is Gretzky read what I'm saying K? K.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:53 PM

Booth
Gaunce
1st

that would do it I think.

Booth can put up some big numbers. (Plus with his lifestyle and ethics, would thoroughly enjoy Colorado.)
Gaunce has developed well since his selection in the draft.
A late 1st in this deep of a draft coming up is a 1st non-the-less.

If that was not enough for O'Rielly, I would not want him. Just my opinion though.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

Booth
Gaunce
1st

that would do it I think.

Booth can put up some big numbers. (Plus with his lifestyle and ethics, would thoroughly enjoy Colorado.)
Gaunce has developed well since his selection in the draft.
A late 1st in this deep of a draft coming up is a 1st non-the-less.

If that was not enough for O'Rielly, I would not want him. Just my opinion though.


Yeah, I personally wouldn't want to give up Gaunce or a 1rst rounder in a deal for O'Reilly. Maybe go as far as including Schroeder along with Booth.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

Yeah, I personally wouldn't want to give up Gaunce or a 1rst rounder in a deal for O'Reilly. Maybe go as far as including Schroeder along with Booth.


That is a fraction of what it is going to take to land this guy. He is seen as basically Ryan Kesler except earlier in his career.

Some team will overpay for him big time, the fact that he is a holdout isn't going to hurt his value because to many teams are in need of centres and there aren't any available.

Bob Mackenzie even theorized (just as a talking point on Team 1040... not an actual trade proposal) that if Colorado offered a Kesler-O'Reilly trade straight up, it would be something that the Canucks would have to seriously consider.

Personally, I would offer as much as:

Booth, Schroeder, and Raymond

If that wasn't enough (which it probably wouldn't be)... then I would move on to another deal. Especially since you have to find out what salary the guy is looking for and have it worked out before a trade happens. If his demand for $5 million per year is real and not just a way to force himself out of Colorado... no thanks. At his age and RFA status he should be in the $4 million range on a 3-5 year deal.

Edited by Provost, 18 February 2013 - 03:38 PM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

I'd love to have a guy like O'Reilly but we would need to give up a lot more for him then other teams since we're in the same division as Colorado. I'm sure the Avs would want some young talent in return that would grow with their current young core and also players who are cheap financially. Why would they take Booth and pay him $4.25M if they aren't willing to give that to O'Reilly? I'd say we'd have to do something like this:

To Van:
Ryan O'Reilly

To Col:
Schroeder
Connauton
Sauve
2nd rd pick
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:45 AM

I am giving examples of what types of things get divisional gms on the phone to get players that you want. Did I say he was gretzky or worth that or the only piece coming back? Something has to peak Sherman's interest... either way all I am saying is it's not happening. So before you jump to conclusions like I am saying O'Reilly is Gretzky read what I'm saying K? K.


While divisional trades are fewer and far between they do still happen. The way you have stated what would need to be proposed for O'Reilly is overvaluating O'Reilly, division or not. I'm pretty sure you'll find GM's are more interested in improving their team before worrying about divisional rivals (not to say the divisions are still not a factor either).

Most trades that happen, if not all, are situational, where both GM's feel they have satisfied a need for their team. If we have a piece that will help Colorado improve in some way, then a trade could theoretically happen without what you stated as starting points for proposals.

Think of it as bartering, if you offer right away what you are willing to give up for O'Reilly then you're going to overpay, such as what you appear to be implying.

EDIT: I also think you're undervaluating Kassian who is a very rare breed in this league. He may be unproven as of now, but there are only a handful of his type around.

Edited by The Lock, 19 February 2013 - 12:49 AM.

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