CookieCrumbs Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I also think that Ballard - Tanev should be our first pairing for the time being. Garrison has been responsible for multiple turnovers and blips that have directly ended in the back of our net. He has been playing absolutely fu*king horribly. There is no way to argue against that. If you do, you're just digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 no more Edler on the right side. that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 oh god why the hell do I come on these boards after a loss? not just OP but those that think Bieksa should be a healthy scratch to you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Then do Us a favour Aladeen and follow Your own advice These opinions weren't developed over 1 game ! This is a discussion board, Thats what the people on here have been doing Seeing as You have No opinion of anythingmaybe it's,better that You dont come on? What would be Your point in it? Only to criticize people, who for fun discuss what might make the Team more competitive and stronger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Short memory? Ballard has been given opportunities on the pp the previous 2 seasons when Hamhuis and Edler injured. He had trouble holding the line and attempted pinches he had no hope of winning. Both resulting in odd man rushes against. That's why he was replaced by Rome when the other two were out. Ballard has been at his best when keeping his game very simple. When he doesn't he gets himself into trouble. Btw, AV has rewarded Ballard and Tanev for their good play with increased ice time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 IMO the whole defensive core has been horrible except for Ballard and Tanev. The only two that seem to be ready to play game after game. Time to give some ice time to Alby and Barker. Hamhuis, Edler, Bieksa, and Garrison dont seem to really care when they play. Merely just routine to them instead of investing any interest in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Yes, clearly his whopping 9:25 of TOTAL PP ice time during the 2011-12 season and the 13:54 TOTAL PP ice time in the 2010-11 season is a massive opportunity for any player to show what he can do on the PP. Give me a break. If Bieksa was given that short of a leash he would still be in the AHL. And as for the AV "reward"......wow just over a minute more per game....don't go too crazy with the rewards there AV! Ballard has been one of our most consistent D this season. He should be playing at least 20 min a game the way he has played - especially when you factor in just how poorly the guys getting the big minutes have been playing. If Bieksa and Hamhuis are this bad on the PP at all the things you say sucked about Ballard (which they are actually worse), then why hasn't Ballard earned another chance? Because the entitled NEVER lose their spots on this team no matter how crapty they play and the guys in the doghouse will never beat them out no matter how well they play. Sounds like championship coaching!......or maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Yes, clearly his whopping 9:25 of TOTAL PP ice time during the 2011-12 season and the 13:54 TOTAL PP ice time in the 2010-11 season is a massive opportunity for any player to show what he can do on the PP. Give me a break. If Bieksa was given that short of a leash he would still be in the AHL. And as for the AV "reward"......wow just over a minute more per game....don't go too crazy with the rewards there AV! Ballard has been one of our most consistent D this season. He should be playing at least 20 min a game the way he has played - especially when you factor in just how poorly the guys getting the big minutes have been playing. If Bieksa and Hamhuis are this bad on the PP at all the things you say sucked about Ballard (which they are actually worse), then why hasn't Ballard earned another chance? Because the entitled NEVER lose their spots on this team no matter how crapty they play and the guys in the doghouse will never beat them out no matter how well they play. Sounds like championship coaching!......or maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I'd like to see vandy on tonight against a big St. Louis offense. And if a regular d has to come out id scratch Garrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 No d-man holds the line every time. Nor does any d-man win every pinch. None. Not even the elite d-men. Bieksa is one of our best at pinching. Ballard was only given two games on the pp his first season because he was going after pinches he had no hope of winning and couldn't hold the line. Losing on a pinch isn't a bad decission if you made it there and had the chance to hold it in. That's where Ballard was failing miserably. He was making poor decissions, chasing unwinable pinches consistantly, when he was given the opportunity. Which is why he was removed after just two games. The problem you guys have with Bieksa is you watch for the mistakes and that's all you focus on, while completely ignoring the good plays. You're doing the reverse with Ballard. You see the good plays Ballard makes while turning a blind eye to his mistakes. They ALL make mistakes out there. Even elite d-men make mistakes (and none of ours our elite d-men) otherwise the Sedins, Crosby's and Ovechkins of the NHL wouldn't put up the points they do. Take a look at who on the team is drawing the tough minutes and who isn't. Ballard has averaged 17:04 of ice time per game this season. That's high for third pairing. The last bottom pair d-man to average 17 minutes a game was O'Brien, and it was because Mitchell and Bieksa missed a combined 61 games that season. That's Ballards reward for his good play this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 That's going to be hard to do I'd like to see vandy on tonight against a big St. Louis offense. And if a regular d has to come out id scratch Garrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disisdayear Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 The only problem is that 3/4 of a shortened season really isn't that long. In reality, we are entering the stretch right now, where the games get tough, and the play-offs are on the horizon. It's mid-February, and any concern with the team is in fact warranted with only a month and a half left in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 That's going to be hard to do That will be hard to do, seeing as "Vandy" is playing in Chicago. Fans act like players are doing it on purpose when they have bad games. The Bieksa love/hate is priceless (and predictable according to Nuck wins/losses). A lot of good players are struggling throughout the league. The long off season and sudden high importance games are creating havoc for many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 never said any of our d is having "bad" games.....if you've read any of my posts re bieksa you'll see im in full support of his play. IMO opinion JaGarr could use a prod from the coaching staff....we're enough games in to see a bit more adjustment to have occurred....if anything its his lost puck battles that concerns me the most....hes playing small and a lot of that has to do with will/mindest/intensity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Btw, AV has rewarded Ballard and Tanev for their good play with increased ice time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 The coach could just say "go easy on the pinching", rather than say "nah f*** it Ballard, you suck." Bieksa is a good pincher, and is pretty good at holding the line. Edler on the other hand... ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonz Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 You guys are out to lunch. Ballard and tanev as top pairing now? Look where the points are coming from plus why so negative it's not like Canucks are having a better season. They playing tougher teams (non division) teams now, its expected they will have to work harder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Certainly do not disagree with your comment on the sense of urgency we are dealing with, Joe, but in the context of having the luxury of playing in a weak division where it appears that we are the best team within it, we have a chance to fine tune our top six d-corps. I also agree that Edler looks awkward on the right side and his weaknesses are being exposed by being on the right side, but I don't think you will find a better time for this "experiment" than at this time, without risking a third seed in the Western Conference. Concurrently, lets hope that Garrison can find his offensive stroke, Bieksa settles down, and Ballard/Tanev continue to play as well as they have. As painful as this experiment may be at this time, I can see the fruits bearing out down the stretch and during the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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