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#1 Bananas

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:43 AM

At the start of this season, it was the general consensus that Ballard was going to be bought out, and number buyout number two was going to Booth. Of course, there were the morons who suggested Luongo (out of stupidity) and Raymond/Malhotra (out of ignorance... I mean... they are UFAs...)

ANYWHO

I'm creating this topic with the purpose of an ongoing "who gets bought out" thing. The type of players who get bought out are players who have negative trade value, typically long contracts, and large ones at that.

I'm curious to see where this goes.

The most interesting race at this point in time comes from two Florida acquisitions, and it's not who you think:

Ballard has been slowly proving his worth here, as he has been playing some solid defensive hockey this early in the shortened season. The chemistry between him and Tanev is undeniable, and is making both of these players look good.

Booth is a gigantic question mark. He obviously has potential as a player, but it has never come to fruition on this team. This may be a result of battling injuries, much like Ballard. But unlike Ballard, Booth hasn't gotten to play himself out of this rut.

Garrison is VERY rapidly filling Ballard's old shoes. The highly-paid do-nothing defenseman. J-BO 2.0. Is it a lack of chemistry? Inability to adjust? 1-hit wonder? Injury? I don't know, but his 4.6 could be much better spent elsewhere. If Gillis had have known that the cap would go so low, no way does this guy get signed for this much.

Such is the case for many recent acquisitions. I'll be curious to see how the market values are affected by the reduced cap. When the cap shot up the last couple years, there were extra bucks that were sent towards the 2 or 3 acquisitions of the year. This was league wide. This is where the buyouts come in.

Garrison is a prime example. So is Bieksa's contract. Hamhuis made him look much better than he is. Bieksa is another question mark. However, this team is way to cliquey to let Bieksa go. Not in a million years.



Overall, we have 5 D-men who make 4-5 mill per, and only one of them is worth the money (Hamhuis).



I'm pretty satisfied with the forwards, although Booth is questionable.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:46 AM

I would rather trade Bieksa for a nice return myself.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:52 AM

Anyone who suggests Luongo be bought out should be publicly flogged for days on end.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:53 AM

13 games in and you want to dump Garrison? Marco Sturm says hi.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:02 AM

Yeah this thread is about 35 games + a playoff run away from being started IMO.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:02 AM

13 games in and you want to dump Garrison? Marco Sturm says hi.


Uhh.... Marco Sturm can say hi all he wants... he was horrible his entire time here. I don't care about his mediocre "success" in Florida following his trade, cuz he wasn't going to find that "success" here.

Garrison should be bought out because this off-season is our only chance. Look at what the signing of JBo did to Calgary.

Gillis has one chance to push this signing under the rug before it haunts him. Garrison will never have a positive trade value.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:19 AM

Garrison has been a disappointment for me thus far, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet.

I didn't like how Kassian was playing last year, but I decided to withhold judgement and we can all see how that turned out.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:31 AM

Garrison looks kind of scared out there. For such a big dude he seems farely shook up. But I'm being patient with him.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:41 AM

people garisson has been doing fine he is defensive defencmen of course he has made some mistakes but eveyone does even tanev so calm down... all our defence is doing bad.... especially edler
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:57 AM

At the start of this season, it was the general consensus that Ballard was going to be bought out, and buyout number two was going to Booth.


Ok...a few seasons later Ballard finally gets the benefit of the doubt but a whopping 13 games in the same cannot be said for Garrison?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

Uhh.... Marco Sturm can say hi all he wants... he was horrible his entire time here. I don't care about his mediocre "success" in Florida following his trade, cuz he wasn't going to find that "success" here.

Garrison should be bought out because this off-season is our only chance. Look at what the signing of JBo did to Calgary.

Gillis has one chance to push this signing under the rug before it haunts him. Garrison will never have a positive trade value.


You're dumb. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Go dunk your head in a toilet. Dumb.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

it was a terrible contract the second it was signed and im not just saying that now me and my friends laughed pretty hard the second it was announced ,it looked like a desperate leap to try to replace sami salo. i still think he has alot to give but i think hes more around a 3m a year player tops
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:12 PM

If all you are going to do is bash garrison trying posting in here. This topic is redundant. http://forum.canucks...w-over-exposed/
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

If all you are going to do is bash garrison trying posting in here. This topic is redundant. http://forum.canucks...w-over-exposed/


Well, that wasn't the original intention, but that seems to be all anybody wants to talk about.

Who would YOU buy out?
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

If all you are going to do is bash garrison trying posting in here. This topic is redundant. http://forum.canucks...w-over-exposed/


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:25 PM

Garrison has the second highest +/- rating on the team, second to Henrik Sedin.

The goals will come, hop off his dick.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:27 PM

Edit: derp.

Edited by Joe_Shmo, 16 February 2013 - 12:32 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

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They didnt sign him for his defense they signed him for his 16 goals!!!!!!
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:49 PM

Well, that wasn't the original intention, but that seems to be all anybody wants to talk about.

Who would YOU buy out?


That is a good question. It would not be a guy that had no per-season and a abbreviated training camp and judge him learning new systems and team-mates. If we trade Lou in the off-season as expected we don't really need to buy anyone out. A buy-out should be used in last resort. We get nothing for this player and have to pay his full contract. Using something just cause you have it is a silly way to go about things. If I had to buy-out someone... It would have to be Ballard since he is in the 3rd pairing and we have a lot of young players that could come up next year. That being said, his recent play is not something that I am overlooking and I honestly don't think we should buy-out anyone.

I would rather have Garri's 16 goals in the playoffs = D

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:07 PM

why the hell would we buy out booth?... ballard is in the mix because of his dollar sign to play on our bottom pairing, but since when was it a consensus he was a buyouy target??? by consensus do you mean you just pulled this all out of your ass?
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

Honestly u guys have to be more paitent with garrison.. New team, barely a training camp, no pre season, not to mention completely different conference.. Give him some time to adapt.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:12 PM

Buyouts only really help in 2 scenarios:
1/ Obvious one would be where a team has cap space to fill the role of the bought out player (upgrade on player being bought out typically means more cash outlay + the buyout penalty). This scenario doesn't work for us as we don't have the cap space therefore we would be trading down when adding the new player's salary + the buyout penalty. Better off to keep Garrison / Booth / Ballard.
2/ Second scenario is where a player gets pushed down the line-up by cheaper talent (ie/ Gomez) and therefore truly ends up being an upgrade with the dollars spent. Problem is in order to upgrade you either need an available player from within your organization or outside (via trade or free agency). So if we buy-out Garrison or Ballard where does the replacement come from? More importantly if we buyout a second line player (Booth) where does that player come from? (Although an argumwnt COULD be made for moving Schroeder to the second wing...but I think history has shown that he is only an NHL capable player if playing down the middle). So again, this scenario doesn't fit or fill our needs either.

So in a nutshell...nobody.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:21 PM

Garrison is a solid 6th dman imo and Ballard is a solid top 4 dman. Garrison is good, but I don't think he fits in his salary. He should be getting 3mil max, Salo being older still is a better dman.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:30 PM

jeeezus christ, relax on garrrison, kid took a discount in the market to come here and play in his home town.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:04 PM

Well, that wasn't the original intention, but that seems to be all anybody wants to talk about.

Who would YOU buy out?


So that wasn't you bashing Garrison in another thread. Come on dude, clearly a troll.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

At the start of this season, it was the general consensus that Ballard was going to be bought out, and number buyout number two was going to Booth. Of course, there were the morons who suggested Luongo (out of stupidity) and Raymond/Malhotra (out of ignorance... I mean... they are UFAs...)

ANYWHO

I'm creating this topic with the purpose of an ongoing "who gets bought out" thing. The type of players who get bought out are players who have negative trade value, typically long contracts, and large ones at that.

I'm curious to see where this goes.

The most interesting race at this point in time comes from two Florida acquisitions, and it's not who you think:

Ballard has been slowly proving his worth here, as he has been playing some solid defensive hockey this early in the shortened season. The chemistry between him and Tanev is undeniable, and is making both of these players look good.

Booth is a gigantic question mark. He obviously has potential as a player, but it has never come to fruition on this team. This may be a result of battling injuries, much like Ballard. But unlike Ballard, Booth hasn't gotten to play himself out of this rut.

Garrison is VERY rapidly filling Ballard's old shoes. The highly-paid do-nothing defenseman. J-BO 2.0. Is it a lack of chemistry? Inability to adjust? 1-hit wonder? Injury? I don't know, but his 4.6 could be much better spent elsewhere. If Gillis had have known that the cap would go so low, no way does this guy get signed for this much.

Such is the case for many recent acquisitions. I'll be curious to see how the market values are affected by the reduced cap. When the cap shot up the last couple years, there were extra bucks that were sent towards the 2 or 3 acquisitions of the year. This was league wide. This is where the buyouts come in.

Garrison is a prime example. So is Bieksa's contract. Hamhuis made him look much better than he is. Bieksa is another question mark. However, this team is way to cliquey to let Bieksa go. Not in a million years.



Overall, we have 5 D-men who make 4-5 mill per, and only one of them is worth the money (Hamhuis).



I'm pretty satisfied with the forwards, although Booth is questionable.


No one will be bought out.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:06 PM

They didnt sign him for his defense they signed him for his 16 goals!!!!!!


I highly doubt that.
If anybody actually thought he would score anywhere near 16 goals s season with us they were kidding themselves.
He was signed due to his defensive skill, and the hope that his booming shot could chip in on offence. So far he has the defence down.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

OP has been posting all day bashing Coaches, Systems,Booth, Defence - Edler, Garrison, all while sucking Ballard D.

Also been claiming topics on the board as his own ideas. Clearly someone is having a hard time with our loss last night. I think he lives his life on here bashing other posters and players and coaches.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

I would rather trade Bieksa for a nice return myself.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:29 PM

Rather than say it all again, I'll just leave this here:

Why Everyone Who Thinks Garrison Has Been a Disappointment is Wrong

His contract is a bargain for what he brings.
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