AFrame14 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Honestly u guys have to be more paitent with garrison.. New team, barely a training camp, no pre season, not to mention completely different conference.. Give him some time to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Buyouts only really help in 2 scenarios: 1/ Obvious one would be where a team has cap space to fill the role of the bought out player (upgrade on player being bought out typically means more cash outlay + the buyout penalty). This scenario doesn't work for us as we don't have the cap space therefore we would be trading down when adding the new player's salary + the buyout penalty. Better off to keep Garrison / Booth / Ballard. 2/ Second scenario is where a player gets pushed down the line-up by cheaper talent (ie/ Gomez) and therefore truly ends up being an upgrade with the dollars spent. Problem is in order to upgrade you either need an available player from within your organization or outside (via trade or free agency). So if we buy-out Garrison or Ballard where does the replacement come from? More importantly if we buyout a second line player (Booth) where does that player come from? (Although an argumwnt COULD be made for moving Schroeder to the second wing...but I think history has shown that he is only an NHL capable player if playing down the middle). So again, this scenario doesn't fit or fill our needs either. So in a nutshell...nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmpunk Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Garrison is a solid 6th dman imo and Ballard is a solid top 4 dman. Garrison is good, but I don't think he fits in his salary. He should be getting 3mil max, Salo being older still is a better dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMacNamedDre Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 jeeezus christ, relax on garrrison, kid took a discount in the market to come here and play in his home town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicNuckleHead09 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well, that wasn't the original intention, but that seems to be all anybody wants to talk about. Who would YOU buy out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossram Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 At the start of this season, it was the general consensus that Ballard was going to be bought out, and number buyout number two was going to Booth. Of course, there were the morons who suggested Luongo (out of stupidity) and Raymond/Malhotra (out of ignorance... I mean... they are UFAs...) ANYWHO I'm creating this topic with the purpose of an ongoing "who gets bought out" thing. The type of players who get bought out are players who have negative trade value, typically long contracts, and large ones at that. I'm curious to see where this goes. The most interesting race at this point in time comes from two Florida acquisitions, and it's not who you think: Ballard has been slowly proving his worth here, as he has been playing some solid defensive hockey this early in the shortened season. The chemistry between him and Tanev is undeniable, and is making both of these players look good. Booth is a gigantic question mark. He obviously has potential as a player, but it has never come to fruition on this team. This may be a result of battling injuries, much like Ballard. But unlike Ballard, Booth hasn't gotten to play himself out of this rut. Garrison is VERY rapidly filling Ballard's old shoes. The highly-paid do-nothing defenseman. J-BO 2.0. Is it a lack of chemistry? Inability to adjust? 1-hit wonder? Injury? I don't know, but his 4.6 could be much better spent elsewhere. If Gillis had have known that the cap would go so low, no way does this guy get signed for this much. Such is the case for many recent acquisitions. I'll be curious to see how the market values are affected by the reduced cap. When the cap shot up the last couple years, there were extra bucks that were sent towards the 2 or 3 acquisitions of the year. This was league wide. This is where the buyouts come in. Garrison is a prime example. So is Bieksa's contract. Hamhuis made him look much better than he is. Bieksa is another question mark. However, this team is way to cliquey to let Bieksa go. Not in a million years. Overall, we have 5 D-men who make 4-5 mill per, and only one of them is worth the money (Hamhuis). I'm pretty satisfied with the forwards, although Booth is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 They didnt sign him for his defense they signed him for his 16 goals!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicNuckleHead09 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 OP has been posting all day bashing Coaches, Systems,Booth, Defence - Edler, Garrison, all while sucking Ballard D. Also been claiming topics on the board as his own ideas. Clearly someone is having a hard time with our loss last night. I think he lives his life on here bashing other posters and players and coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I would rather trade Bieksa for a nice return myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxiebrown Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Rather than say it all again, I'll just leave this here: /topic/339981-should-the-canucks-have-gone-after-matt-carle-instead-of-garrison/page__p__11139505#entry11139505">Why Everyone Who Thinks Garrison Has Been a Disappointment is Wrong His contract is a bargain for what he brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thema Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Uhh.... Marco Sturm can say hi all he wants... he was horrible his entire time here. I don't care about his mediocre "success" in Florida following his trade, cuz he wasn't going to find that "success" here. Garrison should be bought out because this off-season is our only chance. Look at what the signing of JBo did to Calgary. Gillis has one chance to push this signing under the rug before it haunts him. Garrison will never have a positive trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmotamed Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Wish we had kept Ehrhoff instead of Ballard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I would rather trade Bieksa for a nice return myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Bieksa is the embodiment of our team meme. No way we trade him. He Burr Hansen and Kes have a skilled feistyness that is contagious and gives our team identity. Without a doubt their versatility and tenacity along with solid goal tending make our team what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 Yeah, all, what,6 games he was here. Are you trying to tell me that GMMG isn't very good at his job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RO8!! Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 <p><br /> <br /> </p> They didnt sign him for his defense they signed him for his 16 goals!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I don't recall hearing any hint at the possibility of any of the Canucks players being bought out? what general consensus other then one or two people on CDC saying ridiculous things like buying out any player on the Canucks it wasn't even a thought for the majority of people around. every single player on the canucks roster has trade value and would be traded before they would be bought out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck or Die Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 why the hell would we buy out booth?... ballard is in the mix because of his dollar sign to play on our bottom pairing, but since when was it a consensus he was a buyouy target??? by consensus do you mean you just pulled this all out of your ass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck or Die Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Are you trying to tell me that Marco Sturm was a good move? I'm not bashing GMMG. Everyone makes mistakes. I like MG, and think the hate is misguided. To make things clear, I hate AV and most of the other coaching staff. I'll tell you straight up that the coaching staff falls flat on their face in a league as highly esteemed as this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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