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#1 Mr.Habitat

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:23 AM

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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – The plan is to run a separated bike lane from the Burrard Bridge to Jericho Beach.

Mayor Gregor Robertson says the City has now wrapped up three open houses and a popular online survey.

“Over 500 people at the consultations over the last couple of months. Lots of good feedback, constructive feedback. I think there is a broadly shared concern that it’s not safe to ride a bike on Cornwall and Point Grey Road.”

Robertson says there has been much discussion about different possible routes.

Many drivers at the forums voiced concern that the already crowded Cornwall Avenue would only get more congested.

The Transportation Department will now make a recommendation to put before council in June.


As bill lumburgh once said " yeah... I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that"

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:38 AM

Oh well
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:01 AM

It could be worse... we could have Rob Ford as Mayor.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:53 AM

It could be worse... we could have Rob Ford as Mayor.


Ford may be a fat clown, but nothing's more embarrassing than having a metrosexual hippy as mayor, I mean seriously, the hippy thing was done by like 1980 in the rest of the world. It just shows how behind the times this region is in many ways.

As far as the bike lanes themselves, its got to be nearly all or nothing given the space constraints and alrrady overloaded roadways in the city core and immediate surrounding areas.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:00 PM

Gooood. More work for me once our season starts again. You guys might hate bike lanes but since my company puts them on the road, I love them.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

Bicycles are like cars...single occupancy. Take up a ton of space and do not move a lot of people. We need bus lanes not bike lanes.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:46 PM

Bicycles are like cars...single occupancy. Take up a ton of space and do not move a lot of people. We need bus lanes not bike lanes.


Especially for that stretch, too. The smart thing to do would have been to replace the outer lanes of Burrard St Bridge with Bus/HOV(3) lanes, and then have it continuing to Cornwell and 4th, but Mayor bikelanes would lose half his support crowd if that's the case.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

Where I live bikes have to follow road laws so shut your mouth with your complaining. I ride a bike and laugh at people in stupid car having to pay for gas, lol
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

I'd be all about riding a bike if the city was actually set up for it, with major roadways repurposed for cycling and storage boxes everywhere etc.

As it stands though these bike lanes are just an afterthought and an impediment to other forms of transportation.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:30 PM

Where I live bikes have to follow road laws so shut your mouth with your complaining. I ride a bike and laugh at people in stupid car having to pay for gas, lol


Where do you live?

Bike riders are notorious for going thru red lights and stop signs here. I was crossing the street last night at the walk signal and a biker ran the red almost got killed then almost ran me over in the process.

This city has more important things to focus on. But nope... Gregor wants his bike lanes.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:54 PM

Where do you live?

Bike riders are notorious for going thru red lights and stop signs here. I was crossing the street last night at the walk signal and a biker ran the red almost got killed then almost ran me over in the process.

This city has more important things to focus on. But nope... Gregor wants his bike lanes.

In Vancouver bike riders take their lead from Gregor. He ran a red light and nearly was nailed by a bus.

When the mayor and the bus driver pulled up alongside each other at Georgia Street, MacDonald told him, “Thanks for giving me a heart attack. You of all people should look left before you make a right turn on a right,” she says. “He said, ‘I’m really sorry about that.’”


The last she saw of the man she now calls “red-light Robertston” was his two-wheeled figure — clad in dress pants and a white dress shirt with a colourful tie flapping over his left shoulder — turning left onto Nelson Street, heading in the direction of City Hall.


She gives the mayor a full 10 on a one-to-10 scale of dumb things cyclists do, but she’s hoping that he’s been “scared straight,” as he appeared shaken by the near miss. “He looked like he was going to come out of his skin,” she says.


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And the Robertson did that time honoured avoidance move... the Dipper two step and said he did not REALLY run a red light after all. Province columnist Ethan Baron seemed a tad skeptical of Robertson's version of events:


Robertson on Monday appeared reluctant to admit wrongdoing. He acknowledged that the bike-specific stoplight on Dunsmuir at Richards was red, but said, “I wasn’t going against a red light. There was a red light to go straight on Dunsmuir. I turned right in the crosswalk.”


It was when he left the crosswalk and tried to get across the curbside bus lane and into the bike lane on Richards that the conflict with the bus occurred, Robertson says.


This “I-was-turning-into-the-crosswalk-not-the-roadway” excuse sounded a little weak to me, so I took a walk over to the intersection. When the light is red for bikes on Dunsmuir, traffic on Richards is coming from the left. It is quite clear that when the light is red, bikes must stop at the white stop line painted in the bike lane, whether they’re going straight or turning right, just as at any red light.


Cyclists make their own rules for the road at UBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1aY3TORHns

And why bother using a bike lane when you can zip along between cars and weave from side to side??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ieO-giYzg

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

Where do you live?

Bike riders are notorious for going thru red lights and stop signs here. I was crossing the street last night at the walk signal and a biker ran the red almost got killed then almost ran me over in the process.

This city has more important things to focus on. But nope... Gregor wants his bike lanes.


So are drivers through stop signs, so what? Because some people break the law we should stop providing those services to everyone?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:32 PM

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Looks like they should be putting more bus lanes in. Especially given that the buses that frequent that route are among the busiest ones around.

One could only think that if they had bus lanes to and over the Burrard bridge (heck up and down Burrard as well) that the capacity of the existing roadway would be maximized far in excess of what the bike lane might offer.

Especially when there's an existing bike path that follows more or less the shoreline that could be expanded and improved to make it a fully separate bike superhighway. Just delineate it properly (put in curbs and signage or whatever it needs) so that pedestrians don't just walk onto it without looking (treat it like any other street).
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:12 PM

So are drivers through stop signs, so what? Because some people break the law we should stop providing those services to everyone?

However drivers are the rare exception to the rule while bike riders seem to breach the rules of the road with impunity.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:22 PM

However drivers are the rare exception to the rule while bike riders seem to breach the rules of the road with impunity.


I disagree. Come sit outside my house for a day and see how many people come to a full and complete stop at the stop sign. I would wager 1 in a 100.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:24 PM

Where I live bikes have to follow road laws so shut your mouth with your complaining. I ride a bike and laugh at people in stupid car having to pay for gas, lol

And we laugh when it rains.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:16 PM

The public consultation is a sham. This bike way is a done deal and will go ahead, irregardless of people's concern. That is how Vision does things.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

The public consultation is a sham. This bike way is a done deal and will go ahead, irregardless of people's concern. That is how Vision does things.


That's what really bugs me. The whole public consultation thing was a lie and sham. The originals were " trials" and they would talk to the public after. Complete disregard for the businesses being hurt badly by this.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

Looks like they should be putting more bus lanes in. Especially given that the buses that frequent that route are among the busiest ones around.

One could only think that if they had bus lanes to and over the Burrard bridge (heck up and down Burrard as well) that the capacity of the existing roadway would be maximized far in excess of what the bike lane might offer.

Especially when there's an existing bike path that follows more or less the shoreline that could be expanded and improved to make it a fully separate bike superhighway. Just delineate it properly (put in curbs and signage or whatever it needs) so that pedestrians don't just walk onto it without looking (treat it like any other street).


Buses are expensive.

Gregor can boost his numbers by putting in some nearly free bike lanes much easier. They are also more visually conspicuous. Everyone can look around and see a bike lane. Improving bus service on a route by 25% is expensive and not nearly as optically dramatic.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

Buses are expensive.

Gregor can boost his numbers by putting in some nearly free bike lanes much easier. They are also more visually conspicuous. Everyone can look around and see a bike lane. Improving bus service on a route by 25% is expensive and not nearly as optically dramatic.


Vancouver wouldn't buy buses, just label the lane as bus/hov only. I would think that's cheaper than putting in concrete barriers.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:02 PM

I live in Victoria - it's a cyclist's paradise. While I don't commute by bike at the moment, I did for years, and it was very nice. Non-intrusive bike lanes everywhere, plenty of side streets if you choose, and, of course, the Galloping Goose.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:18 PM

Vancouver wouldn't buy buses, just label the lane as bus/hov only. I would think that's cheaper than putting in concrete barriers.


It'd be more expensive to run more routes. Not sure what the point of having dedicated bus lanes is if you aren't increaing traffic on the buses, which requires more buses. Also, the GVRD has a ton of HOV lanes.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:01 PM

It'd be more expensive to run more routes. Not sure what the point of having dedicated bus lanes is if you aren't increaing traffic on the buses, which requires more buses. Also, the GVRD has a ton of HOV lanes.


The buses that run down the cornwall/burrard bridge/burrard street route are notoriously busy.

Putting in bus only lanes would carry more passengers with the same amount of buses because the buses would be more efficient due to not having to deal with congestion.
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