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#31 Bananas

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

Now, the only teams we can beat are in the northwest division.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

Pk sucks
PP sucks
3rd period defending lead sucks

It's getting worse every year.
Canucks systems is overplayed! Same old same old. Every team outside their division has broken it down.Theirs no innovation nor coaching just the same tired system up to the players. The coaching staff has been here to long and there playbook is empty. ie. drop pass on PP, short shifts, dump and change defend a lead just does not work against quality teams

The only reason Av and his staff still have jobs are due to the eternal Luongo an Schneider goalie battle.Coaching staff has expired just like in the playoffs when their pp and offence
disappear when it counts cause their playbook and ability to adapt has expired.

Without their weak divisional games the Canucks record would be 2- 3- 1 with Av's tired system.


Apparently we're bandwagon fan's for pointing out the obvious. First round exit against the Kings, with or without Daniel and AV should've been gone.

The coaching staff spent the last few months of last season laughing off critism by fans when in spite of winning were giving the organization a tough time because almost every freaking win was in the shout out or OT. Looks like the fans were right and AV was just being pig headed. Time for a change has long come and gone.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 03:32 PM

Pk sucks
PP sucks
3rd period defending lead sucks

It's getting worse every year.
Canucks systems is overplayed! Same old same old. Every team outside their division has broken it down.Theirs no innovation nor coaching just the same tired system up to the players. The coaching staff has been here to long and there playbook is empty. ie. drop pass on PP, short shifts, dump and change defend a lead just does not work against quality teams

The only reason Av and his staff still have jobs are due to the eternal Luongo an Schneider goalie battle.Coaching staff has expired just like in the playoffs when their pp and offence
disappear when it counts cause their playbook and ability to adapt has expired.

Without their weak divisional games the Canucks record would be 2- 3- 1 with Av's tired system.


All the teams the Canucks played this year expected the drop passes before they were even executed. They should watch tapes of the opposing teams failed PK's and find out why the failed. more importantly watch their failed PP and PK and find out why it failed.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:05 PM

I just wonder who it's going to be this year in the playoffs... who's going to out-coach AV this time?

LA Kings? Blackhawks? Again? Or another team that is following the trendy mold of the recent cup winners?
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:22 PM

So far after 13 games the team is 8-3-2. Not too shabby. Until you realize the team has been feasting on chumps. Not really their fault though. All they can do is play the teams as they show up on the schedule. Feasting on chumps is a hell of a lot better than losing to them.

So far they have played only 3 teams who made the playoffs last year. The Sharks manhandled them and in the other 2 they were 1-1 in shoot outs.

The next 6 games will be a much better barometer of where the team is at as 5 of the next 6 opponents were playoff caliber teams.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:37 PM

So far after 13 games the team is 8-3-2. Not too shabby. Until you realize the team has been feasting on chumps. Not really their fault though. All they can do is play the teams as they show up on the schedule. Feasting on chumps is a hell of a lot better than losing to them.

So far they have played only 3 teams who made the playoffs last year. The Sharks manhandled them and in the other 2 they were 1-1 in shoot outs.

The next 6 games will be a much better barometer of where the team is at as 5 of the next 6 opponents were playoff caliber teams.


This point (which, by this point, has been made and reiterated far too many times) is all well and good if you're only looking at the past 13 regular season games... Have we all forgotten the five games prior? Repressed them, perhaps?

In case you are in need of a reminder, the first round exit against the Kings was a prime example of AV's failure. Daniel Sedin's absence was no surprise, and yet he made ABSOLUTELY ZERO attempt to compensate (edit: by compensate, I mean a change of plans) for the team's loss. ZERO. Then, we get manhandled as a result in the first couple games. down 0-2 in a play-off series should be a red flag. CHANGE YOUR GAMEPLAN! Get the team going. What does he do? Well, he does what he does best. He croaked.

Better luck next year, right? I mean, that's what we have been saying for 40+ years... Is anything ever going to change? Not unless someone... makes a change...

Our roster has plateaued. With a salary cap in place, it will never get better. The only thing to improve is the playbook; a system which SHOULD contain multiple systems. AV's playbook has one page, and it was decoded a long time ago.

Edited by Joe_Shmo, 16 February 2013 - 07:38 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:48 PM

I can't even imagine the whining that would go on here if the team was actually doing badly.


The board would actullay be better in that all the bandwagoners would have left and gone onto some thing else.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:03 PM

Remember last year, how we were squeaking out wins and everyone just kept saying it was fine because we would find our legs in the playoffs?

That wasn't the players falling flat and barely scraping out wins, that was our ineffective coaching system sitting on leads and playing "dump and change" hockey, rather than keeping pressure on.

We have the roster to be dominant in this league in every game, and we very rarely are actually dominant. We used to be one of the best first and third period teams, we used to be one of the best on the PP. Where are all of those things now? We manage solid wins from time to time against the other top teams in the league, and we barely squeak out wins against bottom feeding teams from time to time, but we never, EVER seem to just dominate anymore.

It's down to the coaching, in my opinion. Defending leads for an entire period and a half is just not an effective strategy.



well some of that is debatable, one area i really agree with you wholeheartedly is one aspect of our game is one that i'm at a loss about is this and you touched on it. This team can be dominant it seems when they have the killer instinct and finish teams off HOWEVER! It seem to me that we give too much respect to certain teams could be steamrolled with that same killer instinct was applied. I don't have any clue why this happens. Is it coaching? I.E. AV saying you guys have to be really careful out there and watch it and take that mentality into the game? Thus losing the killer instinct from the get go? Opposed to just saying play the hardest best hockey you can play and then let the chips fall knowing you did your best.. This seems to be a real problem for who knows how long when the team takes the foot of the gas pedal and i don't know about you but it drives me banana's!!! That mentality has been taken for far too long and our goalies get hung out to dry trying to stand on the heads and when they don't they get the blame (especially Lou) and that makes my blood boil!
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:55 PM

God you people are blind.

It is obvious there are issues. We have been benefitting from a weak division all year. Anytime our goaltending doesn't play lights out and hide the issues, we lose, and then everyone blames the goaltending, its the way it has been for quite for time.

We have blown 4 two goal leads against tougher competition. If things don't change I won't be excited to see the disaster that will be the Playoffs.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

The players need to execute better.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:26 PM

This point (which, by this point, has been made and reiterated far too many times) is all well and good if you're only looking at the past 13 regular season games... Have we all forgotten the five games prior? Repressed them, perhaps?

In case you are in need of a reminder, the first round exit against the Kings was a prime example of AV's failure. Daniel Sedin's absence was no surprise, and yet he made ABSOLUTELY ZERO attempt to compensate (edit: by compensate, I mean a change of plans) for the team's loss. ZERO. Then, we get manhandled as a result in the first couple games. down 0-2 in a play-off series should be a red flag. CHANGE YOUR GAMEPLAN! Get the team going. What does he do? Well, he does what he does best. He croaked.

Better luck next year, right? I mean, that's what we have been saying for 40+ years... Is anything ever going to change? Not unless someone... makes a change...

Our roster has plateaued. With a salary cap in place, it will never get better. The only thing to improve is the playbook; a system which SHOULD contain multiple systems. AV's playbook has one page, and it was decoded a long time ago.


You're preaching to the choir Joe. I haven't repressed anything. Never mind the 5 games prior to that. Go back to the 7 games against the Bruins. This team IMO lacks mental toughness. They're great when things are going well. But tend to fold when the opposition pushes back.

I do wonder how you would have changed the plan against the Kings last year? AV did make a major change in goal. The team in it's present formation was built to run teams over on the scoreboard. To punish them on the PP. It's not like you can just go tell Mason Raymond to do his best Cam Neely impersonation and run people over.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. What this team needs for playoff success is a big mean ugly ogre on defense. The type of guy opposing forwards fear. The type of guy who's sole job description is to clear the front of the net and not turn pucks over. Think Craig Ludwig or Ken Daneyko (who both incidentally have their names on the cup) . Without that you're just going to see more of what you have the last 12 playoff games.

A 1st round exit this year will get AV pink slipped.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:57 PM

let's start making changes with the Zamboni driver first, if that doesn't work then maybe get rid of Carl, the peanut vender in Sec 307.


NOOOOO I like Carl.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:20 PM

I just wonder who it's going to be this year in the playoffs... who's going to out-coach AV this time?

LA Kings? Blackhawks? Again? Or another team that is following the trendy mold of the recent cup winners?


You might have issues, 3 out of 4 years the team that beat us won the cup. In all cases, the Canucks were not the ONLY team they beat. Pull your head out of the toilet and re-dunk.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:30 PM

You know, these sh*t posts really piss me off. If he, or anybody for that matter, had have started this thread during that winning streak, it would have been instantly gutted by a glut of "we're #winning, stfu" posts just like this.

Even after our first of said wins, which followed a series of rather dry hockey on the Canucks' behalf. Even at that point of time "we won one game! stfu!"

Even if we win one, lose one, win one, lose one, you see "we just won! stfu!" or "one loss, here come the bandwagoners!1eleven"

Why don't you stfu and watch some damned hockey, so maybe one day you can learn how the game works, and so that you can witness the shortcomings this team sees as a direct result of bad coaching.

Or, as the alternative you clearly seek to amuse yourself with, you can continue your e-peen attitude and watch our stats climb on your dinky little iPhone while we pillage the northwest division of what little it's worth, while you sit in starbucks with your pretentious friends, drinking your pretentious lattes.

My opinion has held true for years, even in spite of the hollow success this team has seen in the regular season. My opinion comes straight from where it matters: the play-offs. When I piss and moan after regular season losses, however isolated they may be, I piss and moan because I see continuous trends of behavior that holds directly accountable for our play-off shortcomings.


Wow, you're cool attacking somone you don't know and making assumptions with absolutely no basis. This clearly demonstrates your vast hockey knowledge and are clearly more knowledgeable than me. I shall bow to your wisdom and return to Starbucks with my pretentious friends (where I'll probably see you).

Why don't you quit with the holier-than-thou attitude?
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:01 PM

I would face palm this using the emoticon, but that would take waaaaaay to much effort, so ill just write it. face palm. That is all. Go nux!!!
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:06 PM

I've been saying this for a while. Not because of last night's loss. That was just because of bad bounces. Team played well. However, the playoff inconsistencies are mind boggling and I don't understand how there hasn't been some sort of shake up behind the benches. It's in-excusable for the players not to show up for big games or teams to be able to take over the games as they have in the past few post seasons.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:09 AM

Lot's of other teams have blown 2 goal leads. MTL almost lost to Tamba Bay the other night in fact.

Calm down and let the coaching staff/players do their jobs.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:26 AM

You're preaching to the choir Joe. I haven't repressed anything. Never mind the 5 games prior to that. Go back to the 7 games against the Bruins. This team IMO lacks mental toughness. They're great when things are going well. But tend to fold when the opposition pushes back.

I do wonder how you would have changed the plan against the Kings last year? AV did make a major change in goal. The team in it's present formation was built to run teams over on the scoreboard. To punish them on the PP. It's not like you can just go tell Mason Raymond to do his best Cam Neely impersonation and run people over.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. What this team needs for playoff success is a big mean ugly ogre on defense. The type of guy opposing forwards fear. The type of guy who's sole job description is to clear the front of the net and not turn pucks over. Think Craig Ludwig or Ken Daneyko (who both incidentally have their names on the cup) . Without that you're just going to see more of what you have the last 12 playoff games.

A 1st round exit this year will get AV pink slipped.


A change in goaltending is a change in goaltending. I'm talking about a change in the system; a back-up plan that all the players should have practiced and employed during the regular season. We have seen time and time again the Canucks eliminated from the play-offs because AV's system gets countered, and AV has no counter attack of his own. That is the entire purpose of his job, and he isn't doing it. It's not telling individual players to steamroll the opposition. That's the players' personal decision. IE Kesler > Nashville.

I most certainly hope AV is fired if the same issue costs us a series, no matter which round it is in. I have no doubt in my mind this team will make the playoffs, and more than likely the NW Division title.

You might have issues, 3 out of 4 years the team that beat us won the cup. In all cases, the Canucks were not the ONLY team they beat. Pull your head out of the toilet and re-dunk.


That's no excuse to lose to that team. A play-off series can go either way. The ones in which we lose, they always go the same way: AV's plan goes to crap, and he has nothing he can do about it because he has one page in his playbook.

Wow, you're cool attacking somone you don't know and making assumptions with absolutely no basis. This clearly demonstrates your vast hockey knowledge and are clearly more knowledgeable than me. I shall bow to your wisdom and return to Starbucks with my pretentious friends (where I'll probably see you).

Why don't you quit with the holier-than-thou attitude?


You're the one preaching about "after one loss, thou art a bandwagoner"... I'll be the first to say I'm far from holy.

I'm glad you choose to back out, though. It's not like you actually add any content to this thread. You just attempt to oppress people.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:28 AM

Lot's of other teams have blown 2 goal leads. MTL almost lost to Tamba Bay the other night in fact.

Calm down and let the coaching staff/players do their jobs.


I will when they do.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:59 AM

You're the one preaching about "after one loss, thou art a bandwagoner"... I'll be the first to say I'm far from holy.

I'm glad you choose to back out, though. It's not like you actually add any content to this thread. You just attempt to oppress people.


And so do you.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:07 AM

God... CDC can be filled with idiots....
That is before you realize it's always the same 5 people trolling us.

That joe dude should be ban from the forum a very long time ago. Literally every single reply he made are made for trolling purpose.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:08 AM

I agree with the OP. We're a top 10 NHL team that plays in the weakest division of the NHL. Imagine if another club played 50% of its games against AHL clubs. Then you'd read how easy their schedule is. But because its our team everyone pretends it doesn't happen.

For the past 3 seasons, our division is ridiculously easy. Once again, we're the only division that has every team except the division leader not in a playoff position. Why people choose to ignore the truth is beyond me.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:09 AM

And so do you.


I tell you why you're wrong. You tell people to stop posting. There's a big difference.

If people think I'm a troll because they don't like my opinion, then I'm sorry that reality is so damned upsetting to you all. At any rate, it's quite comical to see you AV lovers collectively collapse the same way he does. None of you have anything to say but the same old "we just won 6" and "we were at the SCF 2 seasons ago" routine.

If AV wins a cup with this team, I'll gladly eat my foot. Even more so, however, I'll sit here gladly knowing that will never EVER happen. In the meantime, I sincerely hope people wake up and realize just how terrible a coach AV really is.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:11 AM

God... CDC can be filled with idiots....
That is before you realize it's always the same 5 people trolling us.

That joe dude should be ban from the forum a very long time ago. Literally every single reply he made are made for trolling purpose.


Yea... call me an idiot. This just makes me laugh.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:26 AM

Sorry OP but 8-3-2 teams don't usually fire their coaches.

Ugh. I hate this argument.

Look at the Baltimore Ravens regular season record under Cam Cameron as offensive coordinator the last few seasons. It was great. But when they got to the post season it just wasnt happening. They were oh so close year after year.

Still, watching them you could tell that they needed a change. They fired him late in the year and look what happened.

Our reg season PP has looked and performed great the last few seasons, only to fail hard in the playoffs. And I dont just mean stats wise. Even on our cup run it was dreadful. Yea, we got some big 5-3 goals vs the sharks, so what? We couldnt get anything done vs Boston.

Its one thing to have a lot of chances and not score. But we've gone thru various playoff series where our PP is hard pressed to even generate a scoring chance. Not to mention teams have scored countless costly shorthanded goals the last 3-4 playoffs. With the weapons we have, its unacceptable. The special team coaches are to blame.

Newell Brown fails at gaining the zone and playing to our strengths. In the past we've been terrible at setting up guys like Salo and Garrison for an unobstructed blast from the point. If teams arent giving him the shot that should free up room down low.

A PP 1st unit of Garrison, Edler, Sedin, Sedin and Kassian (in front of net) should have no trouble dominating.

I agree that we need some changes.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 03:56 AM

The thing is, this coaching staff has a system in mind that is set in stone. They have no intention of adjusting it to make the best use of our players. Rather, AV and crew would rather compromise our players by forcing them into predetermined roles, rather than build roles around these players, and fit the puzzle pieces together.

This is why nothing changes, year after year, no matter what players come and go.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 04:31 AM

As I've been saying for a long time....
The Canucks win despite of AV, not because of him.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 07:32 AM

You know, these sh*t posts really piss me off. If he, or anybody for that matter, had have started this thread during that winning streak, it would have been instantly gutted by a glut of "we're #winning, stfu" posts just like this.

Even after our first of said wins, which followed a series of rather dry hockey on the Canucks' behalf. Even at that point of time "we won one game! stfu!"

Even if we win one, lose one, win one, lose one, you see "we just won! stfu!" or "one loss, here come the bandwagoners!1eleven"

Why don't you stfu and watch some damned hockey, so maybe one day you can learn how the game works, and so that you can witness the shortcomings this team sees as a direct result of bad coaching.

Or, as the alternative you clearly seek to amuse yourself with, you can continue your e-peen attitude and watch our stats climb on your dinky little iPhone while we pillage the northwest division of what little it's worth, while you sit in starbucks with your pretentious friends, drinking your pretentious lattes.

My opinion has held true for years, even in spite of the hollow success this team has seen in the regular season. My opinion comes straight from where it matters: the play-offs. When I piss and moan after regular season losses, however isolated they may be, I piss and moan because I see continuous trends of behavior that holds directly accountable for our play-off shortcomings.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:21 AM

A system is one thing but unless it executes properly it's quite another, in other words it could be the best system in the world but if the players don't do it properly or the correct players are there then it fails.. I.E. Dump n chase at the right time is great IF in fact if the dump is timed perfectly and the chase is done with fast forecheckers in position for a pressured turnover. Poorly excecuted the forechecker/s are left in the zone by a quick pass leaving the the dump and chase team in poor defence of it's own net. can it be more simple than that?

Does it mean it's a bad system? Obviously not! That's just one system.. you can't blame the coach if the system isn't done properly all the time, players are human and make mistakes. Nothing can be done perfectly all the time, that's why there's a things called practice. We're not even into a dozen times into the season, if close to season's end and it's still not working then try different players if that keeps failing after player changes THEN look at the coach... NOT until... anyway seems to me MG has been trying to address the player problem for awhile now and trying to get the right mix which is far from easy.

So you're saying the system doesn't work, but instead of changing one guy (coach), we should change a bunch of guys (players). That is not only a terrible idea, but it implies the players aren't good enought to stay but coaching is. I personally do not think losing one game is any indication of a "problem" but if there were a problem, wouldn't it be much easier, much less convoluted, to make a change in coaching instead of a lineup overhaul?Its does to me.
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no duh.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:04 PM

Yea, changing the line-up itself doesn't mean anything when the new players fill the same roles, and the system as a whole falls apart at the hands of a good opposing coach. It doesn't matter all that much who is in any given role. Of course there are better players than others, but we've had an extremely strong line-up for quite some time now, and any time the team fails, it's for the same reasons.
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Hey CDC! Remember this!?

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