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Posted 18 February 2013 - 03:39 PM

The interesting thing is he's not calling "not watching horror movies" part of his *Religion*.

He says: "Religion is something you do at church. This is (not watching horror movies) more about my personal relationship with God. Religion is man made, i think, anyways. It's hard to explain I don't know the right words. It's not the religion we believe in, it's Jesus, Faith. Religion is what people call it."


What does that mean? Anybody able to interpret that?

I think it is referred to as "speaking in tongues" by the fundies.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

Religion is man's way to search for God. Faith is God's way of finding man? Faith is substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen, while religion is a set of rituals and doctorine.

In other words Faith is about your relationship with God or divinity, while Religion is sort of the middle man which instructs you on how to proceed with that relationship.


So if faith is your relationship with God, and that's what he says it is; he doesn't want to watch horror movies because it would effect his relationship with God because of the demonic images, spirits, ghosts, whatever.

But he can play video games with demonic images, spirits, ghosts, undead, etc.. and watch porn, movies about people bombing things, etc..?

I just don't get it. It doesn't seem like it has anything to do with Faith. Yes if you watch movies with spirits, and demonic things it will defile your soul according to the bible. But if you play video games with demonic things it won't?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:24 PM

So if faith is your relationship with God, and that's what he says it is; he doesn't want to watch horror movies because it would effect his relationship with God because of the demonic images, spirits, ghosts, whatever.

But he can play video games with demonic images, spirits, ghosts, undead, etc.. and watch porn, movies about people bombing things, etc..?

I just don't get it. It doesn't seem like it has anything to do with Faith. Yes if you watch movies with spirits, and demonic things it will defile your soul according to the bible. But if you play video games with demonic things it won't?

Not sure the bible ever covered demonic video games LOL.

I am really not religious at all, but I find a lot of what Christians say and do quite hypocritical. It seems they justify their actions by the fact that they have "salvation" in Jesus. The will shout quotations of the Bible on top of a mountain for all to hear but are willing to disregard any other book which doesn't serve their beliefs. To question means blasphemy.

They call books far older than the bible such as the I Ching demonic. And seem to revert to an almost Catatonic state should true evidence be shown to disprove their beliefs. Unfortunately my experience with Christians is first hand as all my family are Christians except for myself.

I suspect in the case of your friend, he or she just simply does not like horror movies and wishes to not look weak and therefore says it is their religion that is in conflict with watching such movies.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:35 PM

Ahhh, yes I remember this. If I recall correctly from my religious days, the idea is that in order to be truly "filled with the Holy Spirit" and strive for a 100% pure relationship with Jesus/God you need to avoid any and all activities involving spiritual influences other than the Judeo-Christian God. On the extreme end of things people actually believe that by engaging in these types of activities (such as watching horror movies) you are inviting demonic spirits to take up residence in your soul. Others strive for a kind of "possession" by the Holy Spirit (look up speaking in tongues) and believe that this can only happen if your soul is pure and not besmirched by other spirits. Now, if your friend was truly following these principles he should absolutely give up video games and also yoga, martial arts, anything to do with magic or other spirits. (Remember the outcry about Harry Potter? That's why.)

What I'm guessing happened with your friend is he probably just learned about this and now he's struggling to fit it in with his own worldview (hence the picking and choosing.) If he's like me, he's going to struggle with this for awhile and try to convince himself that he really believes all this stuff, but eventually he won't be able to do it anymore and he'll rebel against it. And maybe he'll be able to find his own balance with his faith and his brain, or maybe he'll end up scrapping the whole thing and becoming a heathen like me. But the point is, it's very likely that deep down (or maybe not very deep down at all) he knows he's being a hypocrite and his obnoxious behaviour is a kind of false bravado. This sudden need to stop watching supernatural movies might even be because he's secretly struggling with his faith as a whole and he feels like he needs to cut down on other influences to help him hold on to it.

I know it's not logical, but I certainly became more extreme and more fundamental in my religion before I finally gave it up altogether. I felt like if I just threw myself into it more and more and more then eventually maybe I would actually FEEL like I was supposed to. It's kind of a "fake it until you make it" situation. Again, it's not logical, but it's not easy giving up on something that has shaped and defined your entire life until that point. If he's going through what I was expect some even crazier behaviour from him before it gets better. I know this doesn't really help you with your friendship but it might give you some insight into where he's coming from. Of course, I could also be completely off the mark and he's just on his way to becoming a fundie.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:07 PM

Ahhh, yes I remember this. If I recall correctly from my religious days, the idea is that in order to be truly "filled with the Holy Spirit" and strive for a 100% pure relationship with Jesus/God you need to avoid any and all activities involving spiritual influences other than the Judeo-Christian God. On the extreme end of things people actually believe that by engaging in these types of activities (such as watching horror movies) you are inviting demonic spirits to take up residence in your soul. Others strive for a kind of "possession" by the Holy Spirit (look up speaking in tongues) and believe that this can only happen if your soul is pure and not besmirched by other spirits. Now, if your friend was truly following these principles he should absolutely give up video games and also yoga, martial arts, anything to do with magic or other spirits. (Remember the outcry about Harry Potter? That's why.)

What I'm guessing happened with your friend is he probably just learned about this and now he's struggling to fit it in with his own worldview (hence the picking and choosing.) If he's like me, he's going to struggle with this for awhile and try to convince himself that he really believes all this stuff, but eventually he won't be able to do it anymore and he'll rebel against it. And maybe he'll be able to find his own balance with his faith and his brain, or maybe he'll end up scrapping the whole thing and becoming a heathen like me. But the point is, it's very likely that deep down (or maybe not very deep down at all) he knows he's being a hypocrite and his obnoxious behaviour is a kind of false bravado. This sudden need to stop watching supernatural movies might even be because he's secretly struggling with his faith as a whole and he feels like he needs to cut down on other influences to help him hold on to it.

I know it's not logical, but I certainly became more extreme and more fundamental in my religion before I finally gave it up altogether. I felt like if I just threw myself into it more and more and more then eventually maybe I would actually FEEL like I was supposed to. It's kind of a "fake it until you make it" situation. Again, it's not logical, but it's not easy giving up on something that has shaped and defined your entire life until that point. If he's going through what I was expect some even crazier behaviour from him before it gets better. I know this doesn't really help you with your friendship but it might give you some insight into where he's coming from. Of course, I could also be completely off the mark and he's just on his way to becoming a fundie.


Best answer I think I've read I think. I'm going to use some of the things you said in here incase it comes up. It's funny how you mentioned Harry Potter because he hates it. He hates how Wizards and Witches can use magic, (which is odd because he's completely in LOVE with Gandalf from LOtR, because Tolkien was a Christian and those books are apparently extremely religious) i don't know if Tolkien is or isn't but he says he is. I also mentioned Gandalf used his staff to make light shine out of it, which is similar to Harry Potter and spells coming out of their wands. Apparently thats stupid, but Gandalf using magic is okay.

And it does sound like he just learned about it. He said he tried to filter out some movies like 10,000 B.C but now he wants to remove all of them as a whole. I even asked a really close friend of mine who is religious too. She's super nice about it and says she has a relationship with God and everything too and they're the same religion and she's read the bible and everything and even she was a little confused with what he was saying.

Is what he's doing considered "Blind Faith?"

I know he's making a double-standard out of the whole thing so i'm confused about it still. Tbh with your answer I think he's a little confused now too. You seem like the kind of person he should talk too about it. Thank's for the answer he's a good friend and TBH a +1 isn't worthy of the answer you gave me but it's all I can give. that and a thank you haha. Least I now know where he's kind of coming from, but yeah it still doesn't answer the part about video games, etc..

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:45 PM

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:51 PM

Just wanna say thanks to everyone whos posted. Nobody has really blown this topic up with a huge flame war, and theres been some really knowledgeable answers. I appreciate it a lot. I know religion is a sour topic and most would rather have nothing to do with it, so thanks for the maturity everyone. The answers have been a really great help, and I somewhat understand it a little better now.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:30 AM

Religion is man's way to search for God. Faith is God's way of finding man? Faith is substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen, while religion is a set of rituals and doctorine.

In other words Faith is about your relationship with God or divinity, while Religion is sort of the middle man which instructs you on how to proceed with that relationship.


. FAITH
  • Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
  • Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
  • Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
  • often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
  • The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
  • A set of principles or beliefs

To translate fatih into the context it is being used in this thread, faith is a set of principles and/or beliefs that do not rest on logical proof or evidence that lead one into a secure belief and a trusting acceptance of gods will.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:08 AM

Ahhh, yes I remember this. If I recall correctly from my religious days, the idea is that in order to be truly "filled with the Holy Spirit" and strive for a 100% pure relationship with Jesus/God you need to avoid any and all activities involving spiritual influences other than the Judeo-Christian God. On the extreme end of things people actually believe that by engaging in these types of activities (such as watching horror movies) you are inviting demonic spirits to take up residence in your soul. Others strive for a kind of "possession" by the Holy Spirit (look up speaking in tongues) and believe that this can only happen if your soul is pure and not besmirched by other spirits. Now, if your friend was truly following these principles he should absolutely give up video games and also yoga, martial arts, anything to do with magic or other spirits. (Remember the outcry about Harry Potter? That's why.)

What I'm guessing happened with your friend is he probably just learned about this and now he's struggling to fit it in with his own worldview (hence the picking and choosing.) If he's like me, he's going to struggle with this for awhile and try to convince himself that he really believes all this stuff, but eventually he won't be able to do it anymore and he'll rebel against it. And maybe he'll be able to find his own balance with his faith and his brain, or maybe he'll end up scrapping the whole thing and becoming a heathen like me. But the point is, it's very likely that deep down (or maybe not very deep down at all) he knows he's being a hypocrite and his obnoxious behaviour is a kind of false bravado. This sudden need to stop watching supernatural movies might even be because he's secretly struggling with his faith as a whole and he feels like he needs to cut down on other influences to help him hold on to it.

I know it's not logical, but I certainly became more extreme and more fundamental in my religion before I finally gave it up altogether. I felt like if I just threw myself into it more and more and more then eventually maybe I would actually FEEL like I was supposed to. It's kind of a "fake it until you make it" situation. Again, it's not logical, but it's not easy giving up on something that has shaped and defined your entire life until that point. If he's going through what I was expect some even crazier behaviour from him before it gets better. I know this doesn't really help you with your friendship but it might give you some insight into where he's coming from. Of course, I could also be completely off the mark and he's just on his way to becoming a fundie.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:19 PM

sounds like your buddy went to jesus camp

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:53 PM

I bet Jesus wouldn't be into zombie movies.

Hits a little too close to home.

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