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#91 DeNiro

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

Pretty sad we're 2-3-3 against Western opponents not including the NW division. Basically, we're well under .500 against playoff teams.


Anyone who didn't think we were going to struggle with two of our top 6 out is naive.

The fact that we are 8-3-3 is pretty impressive. All we needed to do was tread water with these guys out, and they've done much better than that.

With Kesler starting to find his game already, the powerplay will get going again, and everything else will fall into place.

I'm not too worried.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

Just remember people, shootouts we have sucked for the past 3 years, yet we won back to back prez trophies. Point is who cares about shootouts, if we win great if we don't big deal, because I'm sure many of us don't give 2 sh!ts about another president trophy either.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

faceoffs were real killers tonight

esp on that 5 on 3
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

@FarhanLaljiTSN: #Luongo thought Blues 3rd goal hit Berglunds pants. He thought he should have been better on first 2 goals.

Luongo not blaming anyone but himself.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

Alright.

Then explain why we keep blowing leads. Why we keep coming out flat and on our heels. And why we aren't picking the right guys for the shootouts.


shootouts have never been our strong suit no matter who we use in it and most of the time can never get a stop from any goalie

also if the players fall asleep and give no effort in the middle of the game and come out flat that's their problem not the coaches
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

Luongo was great in his last shootout, and he's looked decent in all of them this year up til that point. Schneider got eaten up in the last one. Our problem has never really been goalies in the shoot out. Our shooters are streaky as crap. We're usually lucky to get a goal. We usually don't score at all.



Exactly. Can't win if you can't score. No killer instinct.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

wow, what happened. Can't win outside our division?

Also, if we think the officiating was bad tonight - wait till Chicago. They get all the calls. Mark my words. Time to waste them in regulation.


Thank you for reminding us. Can't see it any worst from the Dallas game.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

I really don't get it. Burrows can still beat goalies with that move even if they know it's coming, yet he still doesn't try it at times.

As for Luongo.. a very mediocre game. Much like Luongo of last year. Him and Schneids need to get their s*** together moving forward.


Hard to get on a role as a Goalie when you only get to play one game.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

Exactly. Can't win if you can't score. No killer instinct.


so because we can't score its not the goalies fault for giving up 2 straight goals
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

I'll just point out that 3 goals against isn't that bad and none of the goals allowed were particularly bad. Our goalies have won so many games almost single handedly this year, time for the players to win a game for our goalies when they're not at their very best?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

#$%^


Just beat Chi in regulation.

what drugs are you on..................
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

So? I can twist stats to benefit anything as well.

Luongo is our backup and he's playing better than our starter.

Period.

End of discussion.


Oh my god, shut the hell up. Do you brush out Lu's hair for him before bed too? Luongo was not good in this game. Gave up huge rebounds, soft goals. Period. Schneider should start next game. End of discussion.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

Luongo was great in his last shootout, and he's looked decent in all of them this year up til that point. Schneider got eaten up in the last one. Our problem has never really been goalies in the shoot out. Our shooters are streaky as crap. We're usually lucky to get a goal. We usually don't score at all.


exactly, if goalie aren't perfect in shootouts we lose because of the shooters...Lu has been in 4 shootouts this season now. in those 4, we have 1 shootout goal.....lol think about that
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:26 PM

Luongo was on fire and he still put in Schneider for a couple. Then when Schneider was going Luongo went back in. Looked great because it was winning, but now both goalies looked average and there's no 'hot' goalie to go to.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:26 PM


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:26 PM

ive been a luongo supporter but that shootout goal was terrible and laughable


So were burrows and kesler's shootout attempts. we were lucky we were even in it after 2 they were all over us and we only had 12 shots through 2. I guess the positive from this game is Luongo had his first bad game of the year but we still got a point out of it

Also, does anyone else agree that was possibly Edler's worst game as a Canuck? at least in a while? Don't know what was up with him tonight
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:27 PM

So were burrows and kesler's shootout attempts. we were lucky we were even in it after 2 they were all over us and we only had 12 shots through 2. I guess the positive from this game is Luongo had his first bad game of the year but we still got a point out of it

Also, does anyone else agree that was possibly Edler's worst game as a Canuck? at least in a while? Don't know what was up with him tonight


No. He was dreadful in the playoffs last year against LA. Like.. really REALLY bad.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:27 PM

I'll just point out that 3 goals against isn't that bad and none of the goals allowed were particularly bad. Our goalies have won so many games almost single handedly this year, time for the players to win a game for our goalies when they're not at their very best?



what seriously.... luongo was horrible on the shoot our and he was horrible on the blues second goal... all bad reads from a goalie getting paid top dollars...
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:27 PM

Oh my god, shut the hell up. Do you brush out Lu's hair for him before bed too? Luongo was not good in this game. Gave up huge rebounds, soft goals. Period. Schneider should start next game. End of discussion.


Schneider was not good last game in fact he was even worse, what's your point.

pls go
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

I think it's just one of those things.

If Luongo was in for the Dallas game we might have won. If Schneider was in tonight we might have won.

I guess AV's coin is getting a little rusty. Time for a new method?

Edited by DeNiro, 17 February 2013 - 10:29 PM.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

hawks bring out the best in nux

cant wait for the next gm
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

Can't blame the refs at all, gave us 3 pp's late to tie. Still got a point Lu was not great only had to make 20 saves, 3rd one could have had, other 2 were off lucky bounces. Shootout was a shootout for the Canucks


Comes back to coaching for me, Lu wasn't great. The goals he let in weren't as bad as the 2 Cory let in. But Cory made more big saves too, so I call it a wash honestly.

The shootout was the shootout because AV chose the wrong guys, and of course because Luongo just wasn't great in it. (Not trying to add more salt to the wound with that comment btw)

I just think we need a coaching change. We haven't been able to put together a full 60 minutes of hockey, and it is our downfall.

This team has thus-far feasted off non-playoff teams and failed against stiff competition (Something like 2-2-3 or 2-3-2 against non NW teams)

The refs weren't the problem. If anything was good it was our PP, but we need to quit relying on the goaltenders to have an A+ game every night and start putting together full 60 minutes efforts.

The Canucks absolutely dominated this game in parts but played even worse than the last game, probably put in a solid 30 minutes worth of effort and didn't deserve the 1 point at all. Right now we're finding ways to lose games which is exactly what you don't want - hopefully this road trip and Chicago is exactly what this team needs.

The Sedins had their best game of the season tonight, looks like they're finally back. Amazing cycles and passes by the twins all game long, they were consistently dominating in the offensive zone and Burrows looked good as well. That being done against a very physical and talented Blues defence is all the more impressive. Safe to say they're back.

Kesler was amazing again tonight, he's been the best Canuck these last 2 games. Flying all over the ice, drew a couple of penalties and a wicked shot to score. As for his linemates, Kassian had IMO his worst game all season and deserved the demotion - couldn't get pucks out and was invisible all night. Higgins looked good all night though, not sure why he was demoted.

Raymond and Hansen were buzzing tonight, Schroeder not as much but the 3 of them are still one of our best lines. Plenty of pressure during the 1st and 3rd period from these guys and obviously a great clutch goal by Raymond, he's rounding out to be our best secondary scorer and is probably playing on par with Burrows right now.

Our 4th line was brutal tonight. One or two big hits but wow they got hemmed in their own zone far too often. Generated no offence and sucked defending, the Blues just skated miles around them. Weise, Volpatti and Kassian really struggled tonight.

As for our defence, Tanev had his worst game of the season by a long shot. A few bad passes and terrible defending on the 1st goal against, he completely let his man skate past him to score. Ballard looked amazing in the first period, great passes, good skating and a few solid hits. Bieksa had a few good chances with his skating as did Hamhuis and were both reasonably sound in their own zone. Garrison wasn't bad either - no offence but didn't make any bad mistakes defensively. Then there's Edler. This guy made a brilliant play on Henrik's goal, taking out two Blues then dropping a perfect pass to Henrik. On the flipside, he basically gift-wrapped the Blues' 2nd goal by turning the puck over in the neutral zone, then losing his check and leaving McDonald to score. He simply doesn't belong on the right side and that play showed exactly why - his pass was off and then he fell too far left when defending the rush.

Luongo was pretty sound all game long, didn't really have a chance on the first two goals. There's no way he can smother a hard shot off the pads coming off the right wing - that was Tanev's fault for letting his forward skate right past him. As for the 2nd goal, he was square to the Tarasenko shot and just got unlucky that the puck bounced off the post right to the open man. Again that was Edler's check he didn't pick up. The third goal however was weak, his first bad goal all season long. Again Edler got walked by Sobotka but a short-side shot always looks bad, even with traffic in front. None of these goals were entirely Luongo's fault and he still gave us a chance to win.

Hate to say it but the last 2 games the Canucks' great goaltending has been out-dueled by two nobodies in the game - not backups, AHL goalies. Lots of bad bounces against, sure, but these goalies should be able to out-perform a couple of 3rd string tenders. That being said Luongo looked far better than Schneider did and with a HUGE Chicago game coming up, I'd prefer him in net. Luongo has always played well in Chicago and that sort of game is exactly what this team needs right now. It's their chance to make history and our chance to really suck it to them.


Didn't Luongo single handedly cost us this game too?

Just like Cory did yesterday? Or is there a double standard?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

so because we can't score its not the goalies fault for giving up 2 straight goals


he could stop 10 it doesn't matter if our shooters can't put one in.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

what seriously.... luongo was horrible on the shoot our and he was horrible on the blues second goal... all bad reads from a goalie getting paid top dollars...


How was it a bad read? He moved to stop a one timer.. what is bad about that? It's what he's suppose to do. The shot went off the post and to a guy. How exactly is that a bad read?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

exactly, if goalie aren't perfect in shootouts we lose because of the shooters...Lu has been in 4 shootouts this season now. in those 4, we have 1 shootout goal.....lol think about that

its not what luongo saves .... its how bad luongo looks when the goals go in... luongo had bad reads in the shootout....
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

Finally some goals on the PP. Hard fought game, too bad we didn´t come out on top. The shootout wasn´t good..

On to the next one. Game against Chicago is going to be a good one.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

so because we can't score its not the goalies fault for giving up 2 straight goals


We were playing against a third string goalie and only managed 3 goals.

Yes...It's not the (our) goalie's fault for giving up 2 straight goals.

We had a whopping 4 shots in the second period - and it wasn't because we were on the penalty kill the whole period...

Let me say that again....we had only 4 shots in 20 minutes.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:29 PM

Luongo wasn't great in this game at all.. but we got a point out of it, I was expecting a loss to be honest. This team is pathetic at shootouts, nothing new here. Most AHL teams can probably beat us as it anyways, we have almost no one that can score in SOs, or are too slow and predictable.

On to the next game.


Defense wasn't great. He was good.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:29 PM

he could stop 10 it doesn't matter if our shooters can't put one in.


how do u know we got only 2 shooters to try doesn't help when a goalie doesn't make at least one stop to use all 3 shooters
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:30 PM

Comes back to coaching for me, Lu wasn't great. The goals he let in weren't as bad as the 2 Cory let in. But Cory made more big saves too, so I call it a wash honestly.

The shootout was the shootout because AV chose the wrong guys, and of course because Luongo just wasn't great in it. (Not trying to add more salt to the wound with that comment btw)

I just think we need a coaching change. We haven't been able to put together a full 60 minutes of hockey, and it is our downfall.

This team has thus-far feasted off non-playoff teams and failed against stiff competition (Something like 2-2-3 or 2-3-2 against non NW teams)

The refs weren't the problem. If anything was good it was our PP, but we need to quit relying on the goaltenders to have an A+ game every night and start putting together full 60 minutes efforts.



Didn't Luongo single handedly cost us this game too?

Just like Cory did yesterday? Or is there a double standard?

so you can crash luongo... i guess thats allowed now...
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