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#61 Bodee

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:22 AM

I really hope this elevated play we're seeing from Raymond isn't because his contract is up after this year...


Yes because it couldn't possibly be anything to do with finally getting over his back injury and in fact being injury free for the first time in over 2 years.................could it?
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:46 AM

Yes because it couldn't possibly be anything to do with finally getting over his back injury and in fact being injury free for the first time in over 2 years.................could it?


Correct me if I'm wrong but his play was slumping before his injury too no?

Edited by randsy44, 19 February 2013 - 03:46 AM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:47 AM

Yes because it couldn't possibly be anything to do with finally getting over his back injury and in fact being injury free for the first time in over 2 years.................could it?


If there was were injuries that a player like Mase could not use, its a broken back, and shortly before that, an effed up wrist.

When you see a player playing much different, in a negative way, they are hurt.

This is lost on so many Canuck fans.

Edited by BedBeats™2.0, 19 February 2013 - 04:20 AM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:11 AM

No he is not. The Raymond I knew was a perimeter player who was prone to wiping out, I don't recognize who this player is but I like what I've seen so far.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:55 AM

he still skates to the outside and shoots from an impossibly horrible angle nine times out of ten.

Edited by avelanch, 19 February 2013 - 07:56 AM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:10 AM

he still skates to the outside and shoots from an impossibly horrible angle nine times out of ten.

That's not at all what I've been seeing, but it doesn't surprise me that people think this way. It was grossly overstated in previous years as well.

From my perspective, when Raymond takes the puck in deep, he's been looking to feed a forward in the slot, or a trailing defenseman. In fact, he'd probably have a lot more assists, if his linemates had a bit more finish.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:18 AM

he still skates to the outside and shoots from an impossibly horrible angle nine times out of ten.


No he does not.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:23 AM

admittedly i don't get all the games down here, but every game i've seen, he's done it the majority of the time on the rush. he's looked better once they setup in the zone, but it's like he's physically incapable of rushing towards the center of the ice.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:33 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but his play was slumping before his injury too no?


Depends what injuries you are talking about, I believe Raymond has quite a few in the past. I would also suggest form can be affected by more than injury...........line mates for example, but that is opening a different can of worms.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:24 AM

As much as I hate the rule, it was the right call.


Just my opinion, if the contact isn't severe enough to warrant a penalty and doesn't impede the goaltender's ability to make a save (as was the case with Raymond's waved-off goal), it should be a good goal. Unfortunately, the NHL doesn't agree.

Meanwhile, we've seen Luongo get bowled over at least once every game without the player getting penalized (Backes, Toews, etc.). It's complete garbage ...

It looked to me like the puck crossed the line before contact was made. Is there a rule about that? I'm being serious.
Upon further inspection, he did make contact. He wouldn't have made a play on the puck regardless of contact, but he did get bumped.

Edited by Vansicle, 19 February 2013 - 09:27 AM.

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Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:41 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but his play was slumping before his injury too no?

Wrong. He had a career season, then broke his hand in either pre-season or camp and started to slump. It was clear he was in discomfort because his shot didn't look the same. Then, he busted his back. After he came back, he played like he had in the career season, but clearly something happened. It's likely he was still in discomfort because he lost mobility, couldn't stop on a dime like he had, and was afraid of contact. Usually when recovering from an injury we try to do too much too soon. Almost everyone does this. He probably found that a lot of that stuff was just a little too much. If it was a knee or a wrist or an elbow, you might be able to get away with it. But it was a spinal injury. That is just something you can't frack around with. It's just too dangerous.
Now that he's had proper time to heal, he's back to where he left off when he was healthy. I always knew this is how he would play, and I've said as much. So have a lot of others.

I find it sad/strange when people throw loyalty out the window when someone is injured/in need. You go out there, put everything you've got into it, going so far as to become physically injured and it amounts to nothing if you don't turn around the next day and start producing like nothing happened.
I just hope those people get more compassion/loyalty than they give if/when they are ever in need of it. Deserved or not.
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Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:41 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but his play was slumping before his injury too no?

It did slump but really only in the playoffs and really it slumped as the team slumped.

People will say they were upset with him that season but really I don't remember as many complaints or as much hate for the guy until he came back and started playing a weak perimeter game.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:45 AM

No he is not. The Raymond I knew was a perimeter player who was prone to wiping out, I don't recognize who this player is but I like what I've seen so far.


Well you never knew him. Go and look at the early videos.........that is not a perimeter player.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

admittedly i don't get all the games down here, but every game i've seen, he's done it the majority of the time on the rush.  he's looked better once they setup in the zone, but it's like he's physically incapable of rushing towards the center of the ice.



Must be something wrong with your feed, or your eyes. I've seen him take the odd low percentage shot, but only when there is no other play available. The "majority" of the time when he takes the puck deep, he's looking to pass and has done so quite effectively.

That being said, the play he favors more often, is the stop (sometimes spin) inside the opposition blue line and look to feed a streaking linemate or trailing defenseman.

This is the kind of play, BTW, that has uninformed posters calling him a "perimiter" player. What they fail to realize is that it is far more effective than trying to force the play into the middle of the ice against a defender who outweighs him by 30 lbs...
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

Wrong. He had a career season, then broke his hand in either pre-season or camp and started to slump. It was clear he was in discomfort because his shot didn't look the same. Then, he busted his back. After he came back, he played like he had in the career season, but clearly something happened. It's likely he was still in discomfort because he lost mobility, couldn't stop on a dime like he had, and was afraid of contact. Usually when recovering from an injury we try to do too much too soon. Almost everyone does this. He probably found that a lot of that stuff was just a little too much. If it was a knee or a wrist or an elbow, you might be able to get away with it. But it was a spinal injury. That is just something you can't frack around with. It's just too dangerous.
Now that he's had proper time to heal, he's back to where he left off when he was healthy. I always knew this is how he would play, and I've said as much. So have a lot of others.

I find it sad/strange when people throw loyalty out the window when someone is injured/in need. You go out there, put everything you've got into it, going so far as to become physically injured and it amounts to nothing if you don't turn around the next day and start producing like nothing happened.
I just hope those people get more compassion/loyalty than they give if/when they are ever in need of it. Deserved or not.


Ditto.
And Raymond is scoring now, so people start to see his value, but he has always back-checked very responsibly - and his speed in that context is suffocating. He's a very valuable two way player - the Raymond, Schroeder, Hansen line swarms their opposition and with Hansen's grit and Raymond heady defensive play, there is enough to supplement Schroeder (who has good pound for pound grit himself) so that he doesn't have to deal with too many mismatches down low - teams don't get a lot of opportunity to set up and move the puck against these guys. I really like this line, and judging by his play, it looks like Hansen does as well.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:41 PM

Trade Booth if he doesn't perform and make Raymond a lock on that second line! He deserves it :)


At least give Booth a chance to prove his worth first. He's had to adjust to our system and overcome two injuries already, it's not like we've seen his true potential yet.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

Ditto.
And Raymond is scoring now, so people start to see his value, but he has always back-checked very responsibly - and his speed in that context is suffocating. He's a very valuable two way player - the Raymond, Schroeder, Hansen line swarms their opposition and with Hansen's grit and Raymond heady defensive play, there is enough to supplement Schroeder (who has good pound for pound grit himself) so that he doesn't have to deal with too many mismatches down low - teams don't get a lot of opportunity to set up and move the puck against these guys. I really like this line, and judging by his play, it looks like Hansen does as well.


I think they are doing a semi-good job out there. All of them need to settle down and get some finnish to it. Way too many good scoring chances are going to waste. A tad bit less speed and more controlled possession from all three and we could really see something good out of it. Schroeder is a rookie, and I understand that everything won't go so smoothly for him, ups and downs are gonna come. Where again Hansen, should really, really hit the net when he get's the chance. And that has often been because of the 'uncontrolled' high speed and the result of that.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:17 PM

Ballard and Tanev have played against the weakest competition, so of course they're our steadiest defensive pair.
I would prefer to keep the Raymond-Schroeder-Hansen line together


Someone is not paying attention, it may have been the case for the first couple games. AV for the last 5 or more games has used ballard and tanev against any line on the ice. He said it himself he does not worry which D pair is on the ice in any situation or against any line. He does not match his D pair.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:25 PM

It's nice to him play with his confidence back, I think the early season goal did wonders for his game.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:36 PM

Ditto.
And Raymond is scoring now, so people start to see his value, but he has always back-checked very responsibly - and his speed in that context is suffocating. He's a very valuable two way player - the Raymond, Schroeder, Hansen line swarms their opposition and with Hansen's grit and Raymond heady defensive play, there is enough to supplement Schroeder (who has good pound for pound grit himself) so that he doesn't have to deal with too many mismatches down low - teams don't get a lot of opportunity to set up and move the puck against these guys. I really like this line, and judging by his play, it looks like Hansen does as well.

Nice to know I'm not alone.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:26 PM

Hopefully he can score a few against the Blackhawks tonight.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:03 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but his play was slumping before his injury too no?


I will correct you, because he had 7 points in the first 11 games or something in 2010-11 before he broke his hand. So no, he was not slumping before the injury. The injuries actually hampered his game. Surprised?
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:13 PM

The extra time off has done wonders for him to heal his injury, and playing over seas
has allowed him to fine tune his game and get some of his confidence back. I like what
i have seen from Raymond in this short season.
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