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#1 L'Orange

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:16 AM

Sadly the Canucks lost their second game in a row today. I have noticed something similar in each one of the losses.

Alex Edler is one the ice and making bad plays. His passing is spot on if his teammates were the skates of the Blues.

He is weak in his own zone and absent physically. He laid out one hit, and was pummelled repeatedly. He was on the ice for the tying and winning goals against the Stars, and was on for two today. I actually witnessed Luongo shove him out of his way.

This is the play of the highest paid defensman on the team? Can somebody explain what Edler's strategy is? Or just put up another impotent facepalm?

The defense is leaderless. Edler should be based on his salary, but he isn't even close. Of the top four he is the largest, yet is also the least physical. Bieksa leads the team with 24 hits and has found his game.

You'd think making five million a year would motivate someone. Give them some consistency.

This is Edler's year to prove himself or I certainly hope he'll be on the trading block.

Yeah I know there are homers here who will defend Edler to the death. Blame Luongo or the Sedins rather than looking at the real issue that the "defense by committtee" idea only gets you so far and that eventually you need a leader on the blueline.

Edler is a forward with an identity crisis. He can score with that cannon of a shot, but he can't clear the crease to save his life. He is this team's most glaring weakness. I've wanted him to prove me wrong, since 2010.

He hasn't.

I can already hear le Choir de Deutsche Baggio piping up.

Edited by Canuck-a-nuck, 18 February 2013 - 10:18 AM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:18 AM

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:20 AM

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Edler is playing on the right side. Something that he's not used to.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:28 AM

It may sound like an excuse but it's just a fact that Edler is playing on his off side. Being a left handed shot it's naturally easier for most to play on the left side but because we have only two right handed d-men he is the one playing on his off side. It'll take him some time to get used to it but he is definitely struggling right now. I know from experience, obviously not at the nhl level, but i'm a righty and my coach asked to play on the left side and it was just so awkward for me personally. Hopefully he gets his game going soon because when he's on he is arguably our best d-man.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:31 AM

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Drop pass on the powerplay. Every. Single. Time.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:32 AM

Bieksa leads the team with 24 hits and has found his game.


lol. he has?

In all seriousness though, there's new pairings combined with a switch in sides. I really wouldnt hit that panic button too hard.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:33 AM

I think its just a matter of adjusting to the other side, or being moved back to his natural position.
He's putting up points, but costing us goals.
Hopefully he can put up points, and be solid defensively.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:41 AM

Edlers being used differently this yr, and he's playing on his offside - I'd wager that both, or one, of these is to much for him right now. He's being used as the 'shut down' guy, i.e. getting match ups against top line. He's never played this type of role in Van - I don't think it's the best use for him.

I think he'll be ok playing on his offside, but Hamhuis-Juice, or Juice-Garrison need to eat the shutdown mins. Despite what some people believe, Garrison is a grade A defensive defenseman (the underlying #'s support me). So is Bieksa and Hamhuis (though Hammers struggled since paired w/Edler *shocker*). Edler is not a defensive d-man, it's not his wheelhouse. He's best served how he's been used in the past .... high offensive zone starts against weak to medium competition w/ Sedin line.

I don't know why AV is using him differently. IMO, it makes zero sense considering they just acquired Garrison. I put more blame on his usage (ie coach decision) vs him.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:15 AM

Sadly the Canucks lost their second game in a row today. I have noticed something similar in each one of the losses.

Alex Edler is one the ice and making bad plays. His passing is spot on if his teammates were the skates of the Blues.

He is weak in his own zone and absent physically. He laid out one hit, and was pummelled repeatedly. He was on the ice for the tying and winning goals against the Stars, and was on for two today. I actually witnessed Luongo shove him out of his way.

This is the play of the highest paid defensman on the team? Can somebody explain what Edler's strategy is? Or just put up another impotent facelpalm?

The defense is leaderless. Edler should be based on his salary, but he isn't even close. Of the top four he is the largest, yet is also the least physical. Bieksa leads the team with 24 hits and has found his game.

You'd think making five million a year would motivate someone. Give them some consistency.

This is Edler's year to prove himself or I certainly hope he'll be on the trading block.

Yeah I know there are homers here who will defend Edler to the death. Blame Luongo or the Sedins rather than looking at the real issue that the "defense by committtee" idea only gets you so far and that eventually you need a leader on the blueline.

Edler is a forward with an identity crisis. He can score with that cannon of a shot, but he can't clear the crease to save his life. He is this team's most glaring weakness. I've wanted him to prove me wrong, since 2010.

He hasn't.

I can already hear le Choir de Deutsche Baggio piping up.


edler peaked 2 years ago..
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:30 AM

Edlers being used differently this yr, and he's playing on his offside - I'd wager that both, or one, of these is to much for him right now. He's being used as the 'shut down' guy, i.e. getting match ups against top line. He's never played this type of role in Van - I don't think it's the best use for him.

I think he'll be ok playing on his offside, but Hamhuis-Juice, or Juice-Garrison need to eat the shutdown mins. Despite what some people believe, Garrison is a grade A defensive defenseman (the underlying #'s support me). So is Bieksa and Hamhuis (though Hammers struggled since paired w/Edler *shocker*). Edler is not a defensive d-man, it's not his wheelhouse. He's best served how he's been used in the past .... high offensive zone starts against weak to medium competition w/ Sedin line.

I don't know why AV is using him differently. IMO, it makes zero sense considering they just acquired Garrison. I put more blame on his usage (ie coach decision) vs him.


I think the reason for Edler playing on his off side and him being used as a shut down D man is to improve his game and possibly turn him into a true Norris caliber D man. IMO Edler's offensive game can be considered Norris material, but his defensive game isn't at the same level yet.

Apparently Edler is compromised when he pivots a certain way and playing him on his off side forces him to address the problem. We seem to be the type of team that can make these types of decisions and still get points because of our forward and defensive depth. Not to mention good goal tending.

Edited by Sandro17, 18 February 2013 - 02:33 AM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:37 AM

Edler can take a hit but Hamhuis cannot get rid of hamster
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:58 AM

any body notice that in last minute of play when edler lost his stick he played ok defense we should just put him on the ice without a stick from now on as it would be a improvement
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 03:06 AM

I think the reason for Edler playing on his off side and him being used as a shut down D man is to improve his game and possibly turn him into a true Norris caliber D man. IMO Edler's offensive game can be considered Norris material, but his defensive game isn't at the same level yet.

Apparently Edler is compromised when he pivots a certain way and playing him on his off side forces him to address the problem. We seem to be the type of team that can make these types of decisions and still get points because of our forward and defensive depth. Not to mention good goal tending.


That would def be the only logical reason for his change in usage. They've been increasing the level of difficulty in his minutes over the last few years, the final bar would be what he's playing now I guess. I just don't think it's worth the experiment in a short season. Defensively, he's struggled. AV has Bieksa/Hammer/Tanev/Garrison who are high quality shut down guys - use what you know in a short season IMO.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:09 AM

That would def be the only logical reason for his change in usage. They've been increasing the level of difficulty in his minutes over the last few years, the final bar would be what he's playing now I guess. I just don't think it's worth the experiment in a short season. Defensively, he's struggled. AV has Bieksa/Hammer/Tanev/Garrison who are high quality shut down guys - use what you know in a short season IMO.


Indeed, it worked for the past two seasons, didnt he just have a career high season?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:54 AM

Drop pass on the powerplay. Every. Single. Time.


They need a different approach, I agree, let Kesler skate it in, he is really good at this. Change it up so its not so predictable.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:03 AM

Rick Bowness is an absolute idiot for putting Edler on the right side. We have no reason to have him there now - Hamhuis proved he can comfortably play on the right and Edler clearly isn't playing well there. Him being on the left side also allows him to rush up the ice and use his pass to create opportunities - left hand shot down the left wing. He's a much better passer than a shooter, so this makes sense on the offensive and defensive side of the puck.

I never liked what Bowness and Brown have done to this team - it's not AV's job to coach special teams and the defence, which are our two biggest concerns this season and even spanning back to the last half of last season.

Get rid of these bone-head assistant coaches and Edler will play better.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:40 AM

Time for the Edler on the right side experiments end pretty soon now don't you think?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:50 AM

Move along people. There are many threads of Canuck players being trashed today so don't linger too long in this one.

2 losses in a row. Time to blow it up. Why did we wait this long?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:52 AM

Edlers being used differently this yr, and he's playing on his offside - I'd wager that both, or one, of these is to much for him right now. He's being used as the 'shut down' guy, i.e. getting match ups against top line. He's never played this type of role in Van - I don't think it's the best use for him.

I think he'll be ok playing on his offside, but Hamhuis-Juice, or Juice-Garrison need to eat the shutdown mins. Despite what some people believe, Garrison is a grade A defensive defenseman (the underlying #'s support me). So is Bieksa and Hamhuis (though Hammers struggled since paired w/Edler *shocker*). Edler is not a defensive d-man, it's not his wheelhouse. He's best served how he's been used in the past .... high offensive zone starts against weak to medium competition w/ Sedin line.

I don't know why AV is using him differently. IMO, it makes zero sense considering they just acquired Garrison. I put more blame on his usage (ie coach decision) vs him.

With 400 games under his belt, Edler needs to become a more rounded dman. Bieksa can also put up the offensive numbers if you want him to go on the offense and leave the rest to his backup partner. When Bieksa was paired with Hamhuis, he developed that side of his game. Many look at it as Hamhuis bailing out Bieksa all the time but now that Hamhuis is struggling, you can see that that was only partially true(that he was the guy providing most of the defense). It is going to take time for Edler to become a more rounded dman so rather than blame the coach, look upon it as the coach offering the chance for Edler to become more defensively responsible.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:38 AM

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This isnt news to me.  I have always thought Edler was a good but definatly not a great D man.  He's absolutely dreadful with the puck...no hockey sense what so ever...certainly has no business quarterbacking any power play in this league...

He has a good shot and can throw a good hit.  That, however, is as far as our expectations for this young man should be.

We really noticed this in our cup run when we put the pressure on him and he folded like rice paper.  I was one of the few who was very surprised and the massive amount he's being paid.

The points?  Well playing top minutes and first unit power play with the back to back art ross winners...ya your going to get points...not necessarily earned though.

Edited by Ronning4center, 18 February 2013 - 09:39 AM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

They need a different approach, I agree, let Kesler skate it in, he is really good at this. Change it up so its not so predictable.


What is the purpose of this play, (hinge/drop pass) other than to confuse the fans and slow down the rush? Seriously. Puck protection? Puck control? What am I missing here? It seems to eliminate any rush intensity.
Looks like a staring contest. If anyone knows, please explain.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:53 AM

Are we going to make a thread for each of our D-men? They have all been guilty of some bad play, so we should just agree everyone needs to be better, or at least more consistent and less prone to bad plays resulting in goals.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:12 AM

Rick Bowness is an absolute idiot for putting Edler on the right side. We have no reason to have him there now - Hamhuis proved he can comfortably play on the right and Edler clearly isn't playing well there. Him being on the left side also allows him to rush up the ice and use his pass to create opportunities - left hand shot down the left wing. He's a much better passer than a shooter, so this makes sense on the offensive and defensive side of the puck.

I never liked what Bowness and Brown have done to this team - it's not AV's job to coach special teams and the defence, which are our two biggest concerns this season and even spanning back to the last half of last season.

Get rid of these bone-head assistant coaches and Edler will play better.

I have wondered about Bowness's coaching for a long time, I guess a couple of losses brings it out. Edler has the Norris potential tag and we wait for that to mature. He hits that extra gear now and then to keep the speculation going. I can appreciate that playing the right side takes some adjustment so I wait. Still don't see why his physical game isn't more consistant and still don't see why he cannot hit the net. Enough with the shootouts!

I have a theory that AV has him on the right side as they evaluate their trade needs from a Lou deal. I still hope for a right side dman with a physical presence.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:23 AM

I have wondered about Bowness's coaching for a long time, I guess a couple of losses brings it out. Edler has the Norris potential tag and we wait for that to mature. He hits that extra gear now and then to keep the speculation going. I can appreciate that playing the right side takes some adjustment so I wait. Still don't see why his physical game isn't more consistant and still don't see why he cannot hit the net. Enough with the shootouts!

I have a theory that AV has him on the right side as they evaluate their trade needs from a Lou deal. I still hope for a right side dman with a physical presence.


Soooo, Luongo for Komisarek, Kadri and a 2nd round pick?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:36 AM

Move along people. There are many threads of Canuck players being trashed today so don't linger too long in this one.

2 losses in a row. Time to blow it up. Why did we wait this long?


This is not new - there are folks (me included) who have spoken about his issues in the past. Finally a post where critics of Edler seem to outnumber those who do not see a problem.

He does have a canon, but waiting for Edler to grow into a agile, inventive and solid bone-crusher D is nothing but day-dreaming. Look at Tanev - much more reliable while much younger. In my view, waiting for Edler to "blossom in yet another 2-3 years" (when he's 30) is a little too optimistic. Would think that trading him for a good right-handed D would make a lot more sense and would bring a better return the sooner we do it.

Would like to go on record saying that if we have a run this year, it will eventually stop in part due to his play: a few disconcerting mistakes costing us goals. We all know how difficult it is to overcome such adversity as you progress through the Playoffs. I TRULY hope to eat my words when Good Eddie lifts Lord Stanley - but I am afraid that Bad Eddie will not let that happen, unfortunately.

If we keep him, at least get him off the frikin' PP and rest him for his regular shifts; he's slow, predictable and can't hold the line. I would quite happily give up his rare moments of brilliance. The most we can hope for would be for him to at least not fall below his performance against the Bruins in the SCF. He was (-4) combined in the 7 games, which was not that bad.

Go 'Nucks - toughest game of the season next ('Hawks of course) - let's be the first team to win in regulation, and on their turf!

Edited by Socrates, 18 February 2013 - 10:38 AM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:37 AM

Drop pass on the powerplay. Every. Single. Time.


Written up that way. Watch them practice. New pp coach needed IMO.

Hopefully Edler can turn this year around. He is better than what he has been showing, and aside from those on CDC with short memories we all know that.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:50 AM

edler back surgery no preacticing at all really it will take time he will be fine
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

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Not really subscribing to your philosophy ("2. I never say anything bad about the Canucks.")

This forum is for exchanging ideas. Nothing wrong with pointing out problems, in a civilized fashion - unless you really think our team is perfect. If we want the cup, we need to be able to identify our weaknesses and fix them - this is harder than it sounds, as the puzzle is a hard one to get right with whatever is available at any given point - and with cap limitations.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

Edlers being used differently this yr, and he's playing on his offside - I'd wager that both, or one, of these is to much for him right now. He's being used as the 'shut down' guy, i.e. getting match ups against top line. He's never played this type of role in Van - I don't think it's the best use for him.

I think he'll be ok playing on his offside, but Hamhuis-Juice, or Juice-Garrison need to eat the shutdown mins. Despite what some people believe, Garrison is a grade A defensive defenseman (the underlying #'s support me). So is Bieksa and Hamhuis (though Hammers struggled since paired w/Edler *shocker*). Edler is not a defensive d-man, it's not his wheelhouse. He's best served how he's been used in the past .... high offensive zone starts against weak to medium competition w/ Sedin line.

I don't know why AV is using him differently. IMO, it makes zero sense considering they just acquired Garrison. I put more blame on his usage (ie coach decision) vs him.


You're severely under-valuing Edler here. The guy is one of the best defensemen in the league and you're saying that he needs to be given easy minutes with the Sedins against weak competition and offensive zone starts. For God's sake, that's an insult to Edler and his abilities.

So he needs to clean up a bit defensively. Ask Chicago fans how much they were clamouring for Duncan Keith to clean it up in the defensive zone the last few years. They'll tell you he looked like a 3rd pairing defenseman. Defensemen who are constantly tidy in their own zone are so unbelievably rare. Ask Nashville fans about Shea Weber, or Wild fans about Ryan Suter. They've been far from perfect as well and they're making $2.5+ million more than Edler.

I'm actually glad that Edler is being used as the go-to shutdown defenseman. Right on! That means the coach has faith in him - and we're talking about a coach who has very little patience for guys not getting it done in their own zone - and it means he's getting a very valuable learning experience that all great defensemen need before they reach the point of being great.

The Canucks are building their defense core around Alex Edler for years to come. Embrace him.

Edited by NuxFan09, 18 February 2013 - 11:53 AM.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:00 PM

Edler on the right side on the PP forces him to play the puck on his backhand when it comes around the boards. He clearly isn't used to this, and is often bobbling the puck on his backhand or trying to play the puck with his skate. Switch him to the left side on the 2nd PP unit. He seems apprehensive to shoot, and this may be because he's worried about giving up puck possession when he's on the ice with the Sedins. Let him play on the second unit where he might not feel as much pressure to get the Sedins the puck.

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