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#31 DIBdaQUIB

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:22 PM

On paper, yes. In execution, not so far.

To go deep, this team will need all it's players playing to their ability and executing their system effectively.

Remains to be seen if they can peak at the right time.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:34 PM

let's hope the hawks are peaking too early
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:45 PM

Tripper: And even if we win, if we win, HAH! Even if we win! Even if we play so far above our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days; even if God in Heaven above comes down and points his hand at our side of the field; even if every man woman and child held hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn't matter because all the really good looking girls would still go out with the guys from Mohawk because they've got all the money! It just doesn't matter if we win or we lose. IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!
Rest of group: IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER! IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER...
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

Tripper: And even if we win, if we win, HAH! Even if we win! Even if we play so far above our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days; even if God in Heaven above comes down and points his hand at our side of the field; even if every man woman and child held hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn't matter because all the really good looking girls would still go out with the guys from Mohawk because they've got all the money! It just doesn't matter if we win or we lose. IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

We are good enough if we are lucky enough to get a lightweight opponent. This team does not match up against big teams like Boston, LA, NYR and Ducks.
The really good news is that there are no shootouts in the playoffs.
I love watching Raymond/Schroeder/Hansen buzz around in the opposing zone and wearing down the opposition defencemen but I think that they will get run over in the playoffs.
There is a lot of talent on this team but we really lack a couple of pure goal scorers. You probably won't go too far if you depend on the PP to win the games because the refs put away the whistle in the playoffs.
Goalies, I was all decided that Scheider was ready but he is being outplayed by Luongo so far. Scheids is a really solid goalie but you have to play the goalie that is playing the best....right now, that is Luongo. We need to try and get a top 6 forward but trading Luongo to aquire one is a huge gamble unless you are 100% sure that Cory is ready to take over.
Edler has too become a solid 2 way dman quickly because his defensive miscues can cost us a key game in the playoffs. Goals seem to be hard to come by so getting behind is a recipe for a quick exit. Garrison has the opposite problem, he has to get his shot on net and produce more.
The team panicks late in the game and takes cheap penalties when they try to protect a lead. Why are they dumping the puck and sending one forward halfway through the 2nd period? The best defense is played in the opposition end of the rink.
We are really weak at center when it comes to winning faceoffs. The Blues really dominated the faceoff circle so much so that MG has to know by now that he has to upgrade that position.
When I watch the Canucks, I see a team that has a bunch of really talented players but a lot of them do not have enough chemistry between them to become a complete team. We will see if the goalie trade can remedy this somewhat but in a short season, if is a gamble.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

There's plenty of time left in the season to try to figure these things out. But on the other hand, outside of Kassian and Schroeder, we've seen these guys before and we know what they're capable of.

I'd expect AV to ride his core into the ice before trusting unprovens with important icetime.

TOMapleLaughs:

Your points are taken. You've identified several of the key questions facing the Canucks. However your conclusion of a single round win in the playoffs is pessimistic.

If you resolve your questions in a positive manner the conclusion changes and this team can make a legitimate run at a cup.

For example:

Sedins are trending downward but still capable of being productive.
Kesler is healthy. Will play only 35 reg season games and should be good to go in the playoffs - so I disagree with you on him.
Schroeder could surprise to the upside. Other small fast players have had past playoff success. You won't know till you see him.
Booth is a question. However, if he is better than expected he will have a very positive impact on the team in the playoffs.
Hamhuis and Edler have to be better in the playoffs than they've been the first 14 games of the season. Quite possible.
The goaltending situation will be resolved by the trade deadline. Whoever starts the playoffs in goal needs to deliver.

So yes, you've identified the issues. But I disagree that the dye is already cast and the team's playoff fate is sealed. I think a positive resolution to these issues leads to a deep playoff run.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:39 PM

No.  We'll win the division again.  We might win a round.  But that's about it.

-The Sedins are starting to trend downwards.  That makes them easier to shut down.
-Kesler, already banged-up, will be worn out by the playoffs.  He can only do so much.
-We're pretty shallow up the middle.  Not sold on Schroeder for playoffs.
-Who knows what Booth will do.
-There are other guys, but what they've done in the playoffs so far is nil.

-Hamhuis seems to have declined or is playing hurt.
-Edler still has work to do on defensive coverage.

-Luongo is our best player, but he's on the block.
-Schneider has taken a step back.


Every other team has is it weak spots..even LA Kings...Before last season,how much playoff experience did the kings have?..In previous seasons,they were out in the first couple of rounds...Size helps,without a doubt,but speed kills as well.If you ask me..it all comes down to special teams..if you dont have those down to an art,you're going tobe dead in the water anyway.It all comes down to who is on a roll at that particular time.There's a half dozen teams in the Western conference that could win it all,and the Canucks are in that mix.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:52 PM

The goaltending situation will be resolved by the trade deadline. Whoever starts the playoffs in goal needs to deliver.

Luo has the best GAA in the league right now and is a huge part of this team's success.

Trading Luo without getting a superstar and a very good goalie back is not stepping it up going into the playoffs.

Expect a multi player deal or this year's team is not a contender.

No PP d man specialist besides Eddy,who can go MIA for stretches.
No big faceoff specialist that replaces Manny.
No Luo.
No way.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:53 PM

We could do with some size, we could do with a 50 goal guy, but we need some consistency.

We also need to cut out errors, but that will come.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:00 PM

We are too easy to play against.

Backes running Luongo without any repercussions? I dont think people really appreciate or understand just how abnormal it is for a NHL team to behave like ours does.

Make whatever excuses you like, I dont like our chances when we are so easy to intimidate.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:05 PM

I just don't see it this year.

The final will probably be Blues vs Rangers with the Rangers taking it barring an anomaly. Love to be wrong, but it looks like the league has our team figured out.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:11 PM

We are good enough if we are lucky enough to get a lightweight opponent. This team does not match up against big teams like Boston, LA, NYR and Ducks.
The really good news is that there are no shootouts in the playoffs.
I love watching Raymond/Schroeder/Hansen buzz around in the opposing zone and wearing down the opposition defencemen but I think that they will get run over in the playoffs.
There is a lot of talent on this team but we really lack a couple of pure goal scorers. You probably won't go too far if you depend on the PP to win the games because the refs put away the whistle in the playoffs.
Goalies, I was all decided that Scheider was ready but he is being outplayed by Luongo so far. Scheids is a really solid goalie but you have to play the goalie that is playing the best....right now, that is Luongo. We need to try and get a top 6 forward but trading Luongo to aquire one is a huge gamble unless you are 100% sure that Cory is ready to take over.
Edler has too become a solid 2 way dman quickly because his defensive miscues can cost us a key game in the playoffs. Goals seem to be hard to come by so getting behind is a recipe for a quick exit. Garrison has the opposite problem, he has to get his shot on net and produce more.
The team panicks late in the game and takes cheap penalties when they try to protect a lead. Why are they dumping the puck and sending one forward halfway through the 2nd period? The best defense is played in the opposition end of the rink.
We are really weak at center when it comes to winning faceoffs. The Blues really dominated the faceoff circle so much so that MG has to know by now that he has to upgrade that position.
When I watch the Canucks, I see a team that has a bunch of really talented players but a lot of them do not have enough chemistry between them to become a complete team. We will see if the goalie trade can remedy this somewhat but in a short season, if is a gamble.



I dont even know where to begin this is just all so frakked up ! We have a brutal second period against the Blues and some want to start chopping heads ? This team won 6 in a row and now we have a bunch of guys coming back off IR and you cant see anything positive ?

"The best defense is played in the opposition end of the rink" do you even know what you are saying here ? I sure as hell don't....but just in case you dont understand defense... it is primarily played in your own end.

We dont even play any eastern teams this year soooo yeah you can throw that garbage out the window. LA is complete joke and was basically handed the cup and you think we dont match up to the losers ? We stack up great against most teams in the league. Take a look at the teams record over the past 7-10 years. Especially against the elite teams of the league.

Edler is elite and will make some mistakes against elite opposition. All the elite players will have hiccups here and there, but you make it sound like he has no defensive skill at all. Garrison is new to the system and is actually grasping the pace of our system much faster than say Ballard did(who is playing unreal paired with Tanev BTW)

Did you even even watch the playoffs the last few years. LA had a record amount of PP and could barley score. Did you forget the cup finals against BOS ?

7th in the league and 3rd in the conference ..yeah we are just crapping tha bed o.O

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:14 PM

I want a true #1 d-man.

And a coaching change...
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:08 PM

There is no doubt, we have one of the stronger clubs in the NHL, The question is, are we strong enough to win the cup with the current roster? (Doubtful) Can we get by the big clubs? (We usually get beat up and lose) Are we as deap as Chicago and Boston? (Possibly) Is it too early to judge our group? (Yes/no, hard to tell with Booth n Kesler being out this long) Can we afford to carry 2 premier goalies? (No) Do we need to upgrade our Centre and Defensemen positions (YES!!!!)
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

When matchups and playoff tactics start I don't see what will be different but one can hope it will click.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

Best team in the league across the board. Just need to play like it.


Yep. I like how the lines are assigned. Now we may finally see the coveted rolling of 4 lines, which many teams want but very few have (ala Blackhawks.).

They pretty much just have to execute.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

Wow...I wish I could be as optimistic as so many of you!! I love my team, don't get me wrong, but let's face it......we are not good enough. We are no where tough enough. I don't mean just physical (but that is so true.....we get pushed around way too much with no push back either by body or scoreboard; we fall apart when the slightest momentum swings; no "go for the jugular"), but mostly mental.

Think back: Chicago beat us years ago based on swag. They thought they could steamroll anybody and they did. Boston not only woke up and smoked us, they laid the mental smackdown. LA with it's young freshness felt they could do anything and that attitude translated into their play.

So, if our actual skill is good enough, I agree with the reply that they need to play like it! We could use some strong toughness though. Someone who will have others looking over shoulders when they want to smack the Sedins or our goalie. Someone who will make them think twice instead of other teams around the league openly stating that the "nucks are easy to push around". It's a well-known sentiment that plenty of players talk about. So, we need a Weber, or a good ol' fashioned Scott Stevens like player.

Good luck, I say!
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:11 PM

OH ya, let's not forget we are at the top of the division as it is a weaker division...I agree with above...put us in the east and we are toast.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:40 PM

I think the Canucks need another Raffi Torres type player
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:41 PM

It also depends on what the entrance song is changed to....if it is changed to Nickleback the Canucks will never win the Cup
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:52 PM

I think we are good enough to make an impact in the playoffs. Now that Booth and Kesler off the IR, we will have good depth in our lineup and hopefully they will play to their potential when they get warmed up.

It´s still early in the season, IMO it´s to early to predict how we will do in the playoffs. Come playoff-time, alot of things will have changed and the standings at that point will make it easier to say how we will do against other teams in the playoffs.

Of course, some more size in our lineup wouldn´t hurt, but with the depth in offensive skill that we have now, and if everyone plays to their potential at some point later in the season, this is going to be good.

Remember that they just came of six straight wins. The Canucks are a force to be reckoned with this year, as almost every year.
I have a good feeling about the cup this year.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:21 AM

Holy negatives!

This team has speed. And Skill. And more size and toughness than it has had. And an injection of youth. Last time I checked those were the right ingredients...

This team has a good chance this year, a really good chance. It's tough to win but this might be the year.

But if u want to be negative... I guess that the sun will be too hot in half a billion years and we will all die. So the Canucks don't have a chance.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:46 AM

NO, the team is too small, needs to get size on D and top 6 forwards.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

If we run into the Hawks, we're going to be surprised at how all their younger guys have stepped up as 2-way forces while ours haven't really. Andrew Shaw comes to mind. He gives them 2-way depth up the middle. Something we don't have. But they still aren't the 2010 Hawks, certainly.

In the end the Canucks will have either $5mil on the bench. Or $4mil. That's too much money to pay for a backup.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:41 PM

I dont even know where to begin this is just all so frakked up !   We have a brutal second period against the Blues and some want to start chopping heads ? This team won 6 in a row and now we have a bunch of guys coming back off IR and you cant see anything positive ?

"The best defense is played in the opposition end of the rink"  do you even know what you are saying here ? I sure as hell don't....but just in case you dont understand defense... it  is primarily played in your own end.

We dont even play any eastern teams this year soooo yeah you can throw that garbage out the window. LA is complete joke and was basically handed the cup and you think we dont match up to the losers ? We stack up great against most teams in the league. Take a look at the teams record over the past 7-10 years. Especially against the elite teams of the league.

Edler is elite and will make some mistakes against elite opposition. All the elite players will have hiccups here and there, but you make it sound like he has no defensive skill at all. Garrison is new to the system and is actually grasping the pace of our system much faster than say Ballard did(who is playing unreal paired with Tanev BTW)

Did you even even watch the playoffs the last few years. LA had a record amount of PP and could barley score. Did you forget the cup finals against BOS ?

7th in the league and 3rd in the conference  ..yeah we are just crapping tha bed   o.O


Slow down there sunshine. First off I didn't say our team was crap, what I said was that they have a lot of talent but much of it does not have the chemistry to put together 4 solid lines. Everyone knows that Booth and Kesler are both shoot first types and don't really play that well off each other. I never even came close to saying that Edler doesn't know anything about playing defense......what I did insinuate is that he has to adapt like Bieksa did and get better at his defensive part of the game. Playing with Hamhuis will help him in that regard.The Blues totally dominated the faceoff circle....fact.And yes the Canucks are looking good but they are playing in a weak division. Picking up points against teams like Calgary or Edmonton are not the same as picking up points against a big team like Boston or the Rangers. Boston has dominated us and overpowered us. LA overpowered us with guys like Brown and Kopitar. The Ducks have their big #1 line and we have trouble handling them. Buff helped Chicago beat us on the way to their cup winning performance. The Rangers are a bigger team this year too. You can put words in my mouth all you want but the facts are that the Canucks have come up short against the Rangers, Boston, LA and Chicago and it has cost them the cup. So ya, I think we need some changes to make the team better. And lastly, I don't really put too much stock in how well the Canucks do against their division during the regular season because it is a whole new ballgame in the playoffs.....all I care about is that they make the playoffs and have the team to win it all.....anything short of expecting to win it all is unacceptable.Right now I feel that the team is good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win the Cup (and since we are basically the same team that didn't get it done before....yes we need some changes to get better).
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

We are one of the best in the league, we just need to hold onto leads heading into the thirs period.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:17 PM

Imo:
The team is too small up front.
The team is not physical enough up front or on d, and they team lacks quality depth at 3rd line center as Schroeder is ok for the reg season but come playoffs he may not be large enough.
They need to actually score on the powerplays immediately after a cheap shot or they have no deterent.
special teams over all need to improve
The team is spending too much money, against the cap, for their back up goalie.
Lack of killer instinct is big problem.

As it stands the team will win one round but unless some changes are made, not much further.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

I want some of you guys are drinking, cause I don't see anything special this year. NOTHING. Average at best in a weak division will make us look better than we are. Early exit this year. We can't (ok don't) compete with the top teams. We need more emotion, pride, character and passion. Talent alone gets you nothing. Shortie said it best tonight..."and once again [said with exasperation] the puck stays in the Vancouver zone". The Hawks wanted the puck more all night and it showed! Crap!!! Nucks just tied it up...oh well there goes my credibility...Canucks will win the cup and go undefeated doing so.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:46 PM

Would like to see less dump and chase and more carry across the opposing blueline....... Puck POSSESSION !!

They carry it across the blueline, but then stop. I wish they would carry it more to the slot! Then shoot or pass from there, instead of always passing from a useless position that is no threat, so the goalie never has to respect the puck carrier.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:00 PM

Not with this defensive system.
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