inane Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 See my post above. I did argue the points and showed that the BC NDP has done this and much worse. And the person with his hand in those past fudge-it budgets was none other than Adrian Dix. He was not only Premier Clark's chief of staff but was also the deputy minister when Clark was finance minister so pretty hard to claim he did not know what was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Only if you ignore what the report was all about and take one line out of context. This was one line lifted from a massive report (540 pages) on re-structuring the Ontario public service and if you read it you would know that the BC NDP would reject 99.99% of the report because it removes a great deal of power from public sector unions - the main power base for the BC NDP. The other major thrust of the report was spending restraint and that clearly is not something that the BC NDP favour. Here is the report: http://www.fin.gov.o...ters/report.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 So you are of the opinion that balancing your budet based on selling off assets at assumed prices is good economic policy? Would you do that in your personal finances? Sell off your house, car or other fixed assets so you can stay in the black? And I don't care that the NDP have done it. Your race to the bottom mentality is sickening and is exactly why we get stuck with the least worst rather than anything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 See my post above. I did argue the points and showed that the BC NDP has done this and much worse. And the person with his hand in those past fudge-it budgets was none other than Adrian Dix. He was not only Premier Clark's chief of staff but was also the deputy minister when Clark was finance minister so pretty hard to claim he did not know what was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Better than any economic policies (or lack thereof) I have seen coming from the BC NDP. The point is the BC NDP have done much worse in the past. And people think it is a good idea to trust Adrian Dix who was at the centre of the past wrongdoing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 How is selling off assets not a one time cash infusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 This topic is not about what the NDP may or may not have done in past or the future. This is about the current, Liberal budget. Do you agree with selling off assets to balance a budget? Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Of course that is an effect (you get money when selling an asset - what a surprise) but as the report by "respected economist Don Drummond" points out that there are good reasons to sell public assets and privatize government functions and agencies - something the BC NDP have opposed. You did read and comprehend what Drummond wrote, eh? Or are you taking the blinkered (and disingenuous) Bruce Ralston approach and lifting but one line out of a very comprehensive report. That report runs totally counter to the policies espoused by the BC NDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 You are a new Moderator? Congratulations. I guess they will take anyone these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 As the Drummond Report sets out it depends upon the public asset. And despite what you and the BC NDP try, how can you evaluate the BC Liberal budget when the BC NDP refuse to say what they would do any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 why wont government cut back spending on transportation which is really really useless for most of the time and use that for preserving some of the environemtn so we dont have to extract oil to earn revenues in this province ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Oh the irony!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 No, I can evaluate the budget based on the budget. What does it matter what the NDP would or would not do, it is not their budget to defend. You still haven't answered the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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inane Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 No, it is not. I don't need to know what the NDP will do about topic x before knowing that what the Liberals are doing about topic x is wrong. Your reliance on the opposition to frame your thought is bizarre. But I know why you think that. The NDP will come out with a proposed budget or set of ideas or whatever that will say x, y & z. You'll say 'look at how much worse x, y & z is than what the Liberals are saying' thereby continuing your race to the bottom while having to avoid critcizing the Liberal budget or even discussing it as you'll just discuss how much worse the NDP budget is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 No, it is not. I don't need to know what the NDP will do about topic x before knowing that what the Liberals are doing about topic x is wrong. Your reliance on the opposition to frame your thought is bizarre. But I know why you think that. The NDP will come out with a proposed budget or set of ideas or whatever that will say x, y & z. You'll say 'look at how much worse x, y & z is than what the Liberals are saying' thereby continuing your race to the bottom while having to avoid critcizing the Liberal budget or even discussing it as you'll just discuss how much worse the NDP budget is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Nope. If you are positing your party to replace the the government then you need to set out what you would do differently. The budget is the blueprint for that plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Pretty sure the thread topic isn't about how or why the NDP should replace the Liberials, it's about the Liberial Budget. Why does a comment on the Liberial party budget need to be about the NDP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverpig Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I disagree. Selling off assets for short term financial gain when you are responsible for long term planning is not smart. You don't mix capital and operating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 If you include capital investments in your budget, then you can include capital sales as well. Your point is that you don't want a structural deficit, where you have to always rely on capital sell-offs to maintain an operating budget. This is fair, but isn't necessarily what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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