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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:45 PM

The BC Liberal election platform; The worst of both worlds (left and right)

-Increasing Corporate taxes
-Increasing General Taxes
-Inceasing MSP every year averaging 5% a year
-Raising tuition rates (what were you paying 5 years ago?)
-Selling profitable crown corporation assets
-Spending millions of dollars of self serving praise government ads
-Paying millions of dollars to defend a corrupt Basi and Virk
-HST
-Increased the debt to the highest levels in BC history

Why vote for these clowns?


Because the "clowns" on the other side still believe that the HST is part of the election platform.

It should be, BTW, but the stupidity ship has already sailed....
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

-HST


The HST was one of the best things the Liberals have done (and I'm not a supporter). Going back to the PST is a big part of why we're going to be strapped for cash for years to come. Most people against the HST are against it because they don't know how taxes work, don't know how the HST is actually better for everyone, and just think that the government is always trying to screw them.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

The HST was one of the best things the Liberals have done (and I'm not a supporter). Going back to the PST is a big part of why we're going to be strapped for cash for years to come. Most people against the HST are against it because they don't know how taxes work, don't know how the HST is actually better for everyone, and just think that the government is always trying to screw them.


I believe that you're using the term "think" rather loosely here....
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:49 PM

Historically way more trustworthy than the BC Dippers.


BC Rail Scandel, HST lies, Drunk driving, gov't funded election ads, previous pre-election budget that ended being totally ignored and replaced with a massive debt and now another pre-election budget that's magically predicting turning a huge debt into a surplus by selling off assests. How are the Liberials more trust worthy than the NDP again?

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:51 PM

BC Rail Scandel, HST lies, Drunk driving, gov't funded election ads, previous pre-election budget that ended being totally ignored and replaced with a massive debt and now another pre-election budget that's magically predicting turning a huge debt into a surplus by selling off assests. How are the Liberials more trust worthy than the NDP again?

And still historically way more trustworthy than the BC Dippers.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:52 PM

The HST was one of the best things the Liberals have done (and I'm not a supporter). Going back to the PST is a big part of why we're going to be strapped for cash for years to come. Most people against the HST are against it because they don't know how taxes work, don't know how the HST is actually better for everyone, and just think that the government is always trying to screw them.


Perhaps but the issue was right before being elected last time the Liberials said they had no plans to bring the HST in than almost immediately after being elected they brought in the HST. How can you trust a gov't that does that?
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:54 PM

The B.C. Liberal government likely has the provincial NDP "jumping for joy," says Martyn Brown, chief of staff to former premier Gordon Campbell, in a scathing critique of the budget during an interview with CBC News anchor Gloria Macarenko Tuesday.


Martyn Brown is a bitter former staffer who is pissed that he got thrown out of the government and no one has offered him a job since, for obvious reasons.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

Perhaps but the issue was right before being elected last time the Liberials said they had no plans to bring the HST in than almost immediately after being elected they brought in the HST. How can you trust a gov't that does that?

After the election the feds reversed their long held positions of not paying transition costs and they agreed that all changes to the HST as it affected BC would be a bi-lateral decision - BC was offered the same deal as Ontario had just negotiated. The BC government was presented with a short fuse offer to synch up with Ontario introducing its HST and both provinces brought in the HST regime on July 1, 2010.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

Because the "clowns" on the other side still believe that the HST is part of the election platform.

It should be, BTW, but the stupidity ship has already sailed....


so vote for a corrupt party who raise taxes just because you think the other clowns believe that the HST is part of their election platform? Their actions don't deserve them for me to make a trip to vote for them; sorry that those phony government ads aren't working on at least on me.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:56 PM

so vote for a corrupt party who raise taxes just because you think the other clowns believe that the HST is part of their election platform?  Their actions don't deserve them for me to make a trip to vote for them; sorry that those phony government ads aren't working on at least on me.


I think you missed the sarcasm. The NDP don't think that the HST is part of the election platform. They understand that it's ancient history.

It was some guy who made a post earlier showing the Liberals election platform in point form and listed the HST as part of the list. I'll let you figure out who that was.

BTW: Raising taxes is the only way to pay for the social programs that everyone of the left side of the spectrum seems to believe the Liberals "don't care" about. If you read the article in the OP, the NDP has similar ideas.

I suppose that leaves you with no-one to vote for. Oh well, seems like you didn't want to "make the trip" anyway...
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:01 PM

I think you missed the sarcasm. The NDP don't think that the HST is part of the election platform. They understand that it's ancient history.

It was some guy who made a post earlier showing the Liberals election platform in point form and listed the HST as part of the list. I'll let you figure out who that was.

BTW: Raising taxes is the only way to pay for the social programs that everyone of the left side of the spectrum seems to believe the Liberals "don't care" about. If you read the article in the OP, the NDP has similar ideas.

I suppose that leaves you with no-one to vote for. Oh well, seems like you didn't want to "make the trip" anyway...


Similar ideas? I'm pretty sure that's the NDP's idea that the Libs just chose to take.

This is of course after a decade of 'the tax cuts will pay for themselves' Gordon Campbell style.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

Similar ideas? I'm pretty sure that's the NDP's idea that the Libs just chose to take.


So is it a good idea or a bad idea? I don't see how it can be both.

If you think it's a good idea, then there should be no reason to complain. I'd prefer a government that decides to implement something suggested by their rivals if it was good for the province, rather than a party that vehemently opposes a good idea, (such as a better system of taxation) simply because it was brought in by the government. YMMV.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:25 PM

So is it a good idea or a bad idea? I don't see how it can be both.

If you think it's a good idea, then there should be no reason to complain. I'd prefer a government that decides to implement something suggested by their rivals if it was good for the province, rather than a party that vehemently opposes a good idea, (such as a better system of taxation) simply because it was brought in by the government. YMMV.

Very well put.

The NDP was in there working with the Zalm. Some of their top party insiders were trying to make sure The Zalm did not look like a complete nutter (not knowing what Vat was, the difference between direct and indirect taxation, New World Order, etc.)
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:32 PM

So is it a good idea or a bad idea? I don't see how it can be both.

If you think it's a good idea, then there should be no reason to complain. I'd prefer a government that decides to implement something suggested by their rivals if it was good for the province, rather than a party that vehemently opposes a good idea, (such as a better system of taxation) simply because it was brought in by the government. YMMV.


I'm not complaining about that. I believe if you want things, you need to pay for them--I've always said that. It's unfortunate that the same old 'free enterprise' Liberals took over a decade of 'tax cuts will pay for themselves' before here acknowledging they don't.

I have said selling off assets to balance your budget is a horrible idea.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:37 PM

I'm not complaining about that. I believe if you want things, you need to pay for them--I've always said that. It's unfortunate that the same old 'free enterprise' Liberals took over a decade of 'tax cuts will pay for themselves' before here acknowledging they don't.

I have said selling off assets to balance your budget is a horrible idea.


You're side stepping the question of adopting ideas put forth by the opposition. Do you agree that it's a good idea, or is it a better idea to try and discredit absolutely everything they come up with?
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:40 PM

You're side stepping the question of adopting ideas put forth by the opposition. Do you agree that it's a good idea, or is it a better idea to try and discredit absolutely everything they come up with?


I don't care who comes up with the idea. To reject something just because you don't like the messenger is ridiculous. Both parties are equally guilty of that.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:45 PM

I don't care who comes up with the idea. To reject something just because you don't like the messenger is ridiculous. Both parties are equally guilty of that.


I disagree. The Liberals are pledging to adopt an NDP idea if re-elected, while the NDP did the exact ridiculous thing you mention, which was an integral ingredient to the eventual cost of billions of dollars to BC taxpayers.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

I don't care who comes up with the idea. To reject something just because you don't like the messenger is ridiculous. Both parties are equally guilty of that.


That's where I'm at. They're both different sides of the same corrupt coin. What a "choice" we have! :rolleyes:

Still don't know who I'm voting for other than it won't be either of those two parties.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

The BC Liberal election platform; The worst of both worlds (left and right)

-Increasing Corporate taxes
-Increasing General Taxes
-Inceasing MSP every year averaging 5% a year
-Raising tuition rates (what were you paying 5 years ago?)
-Selling profitable crown corporation assets
-Spending millions of dollars of self serving praise government ads
-Paying millions of dollars to defend a corrupt Basi and Virk
-HST
-Increased the debt to the highest levels in BC history

Why vote for these clowns?


Dang. The place is becoming socialist.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

That's where I'm at. They're both different sides of the same corrupt coin. What a "choice" we have! :rolleyes:

Still don't know who I'm voting for other than it won't be either of those two parties.

The BC Liberals may be bad but the BC Dippers are much worse.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:50 PM

I disagree. The Liberals are pledging to adopt an NDP idea if re-elected, while the NDP did the exact ridiculous thing you mention, which was an integral ingredient to the eventual cost of billions of dollars to BC taxpayers.


Yeah, the Liberals have never been guilty of that. Ok. sure. What is your point anyway?
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:54 PM

Yeah, the Liberals have never been guilty of that. Ok. sure. What is your point anyway?


My point is that the NDP staged a campaign against the HST, for the sole reason of undermining the Liberals, knowing full well that the cost to the taxpayers would be enormous.

If you have an example of the Liberals doing the same, please post it.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:56 PM

My point is that the NDP staged a campaign against the HST, for the sole reason of undermining the Liberals, knowing full well that the cost to the taxpayers would be enormous.

If you have an example of the Liberals doing the same, please post it.


HST?

How about the past decade where they called the NDP fascists/socialists while touting free enterprise to now go back on all that?

Regardless, this is all dumb. I was just calling you out initially for saying the NDP has 'similar ideas' when it has been their platform all along. But, in the end it doesn't matter.

Edited by inane, 20 February 2013 - 04:58 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

HST?

How about the past decade where they called the NDP fascists/socialists while touting free enterprise to now go back on all that?


You'll have to provide some evidence of the Liberals calling the NDP "fascists", I have not personally seen that. Then maybe you can explain how it has cost the BC taxpayers billions of dollars...
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:07 PM

You'll have to provide some evidence of the Liberals calling the NDP "fascists", I have not personally seen that. Then maybe you can explain how it has cost the BC taxpayers billions of dollars...


How what has? You're mixing up issues here.

You're ignoring my initial point, so I'll just leave it at that.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:09 PM

How what has? You're mixing up issues here.

You're ignoring my initial point, so I'll just leave it at that.


I think it was the NDP that spent taxpayers' money to advertise falsity on the Liberals. If the NDP rises to power, who knows what they will do with taxes, raising and allowing marijuana.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:14 PM

How what has? You're mixing up issues here.

You're ignoring my initial point, so I'll just leave it at that.


Oh, did you have a point?

From what I could tell, you just chimed in on a debate I was having with another poster to ridicule the Liberals for adopting an NDP idea.

I replied that it was preferable to opposing a good idea just because it wasn't your own, especially when you know that your opposition could result in massive losses in revenue.

Any other point you're trying to make is irrelevant to what was being discussed.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:15 PM

I think it was the NDP that spent taxpayers' money to advertise falsity on the Liberals. If the NDP rises to power, who knows what they will do with taxes, raising and allowing marijuana.

The BC NDP has no jurisdiction over the legalization of marijuana. That is a federal matter and Harper has been clear that is not on.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:19 PM

Oh, did you have a point?

From what I could tell, you just chimed in on a debate I was having with another poster to ridicule the Liberals for adopting an NDP idea.

I replied that it was preferable to opposing a good idea just because it wasn't your own, especially when you know that your opposition could result in massive losses in revenue.

Any other point you're trying to make is irrelevant to what was being discussed.


No, I chimed in to point out the gaping flaw in your assertion that the NDP had a similar idea when it has been their idea all along. That was it.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:48 PM

To me, it seems like this government is all media and marketing, and no policy or governance. Have they actually put forward any notable policy proposals since they brought in Clark as the new leader? Have they done anything worthwhile except ad buys (we can debate whether this is in fact worthwhile, but it is something they've done, for sure)? I've never voted NDP but unless there is a third-party candidate it doesn't look like I'm going to have much choice here.
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