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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:53 PM

It's also convenient. This way Dix doesn't actually have to run on a platform, he just has to criticize everything that the government does.

Good work, if you can get it...

However the ironic thing is Dix is accusing the Liberals (without justification IMHO) of doing something that the Clark Dipper government actually did when he was chief of staff.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:12 PM

and it'll be the same when the ndp gets ousted as well. This is not new, nor the actions of only one party.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:34 PM

and it'll be the same when the ndp gets ousted as well. This is not new, nor the actions of only one party.

Except the NDP has history of financial shenanigans and breaking the law going back to illegal party financing managed by a former NDP finance Minister, Dave Stupich (aka Bingogate - at least Mike Harcourt had the good graces to fall on his sword for that - of course with a push from behind by Clark, Sihota and Dix), then there was Casinogate where Dix tried to derail both a police investigation and conflict of interest investigation by forging a document and Clark tried to get Farnworth to lie for him on his involvement, the Raiwind power scandal (Hydrogate) run by NDP insider John Laxton that had Dix's fingerprints all over it, Dix running the NDP's legally prohibited campaigning during recall attempts and Dix on Clark's behalf applying unlawful pressure on the chair of the ALR to try to get land released.

I have laid this out in detail in the past.

If you liked Glen Clark, you are going to love Adrian Dix.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:42 PM

Pretty sure I'm voting Green mostly out of spite and lack of a better choice.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:02 PM

Pretty sure I'm voting Green mostly out of spite and lack of a better choice.



Unless the Green party represenatative has a chance in your riding, it's pretty much a wasted vote (which is certainly your right, BTW)

I think the line from Rush's Freewill is apropos to this situation:

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"...
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:02 PM

So, to sum up, Dix says "budget is crap, we need more spending." And when asked about it he responds with "we don't know enough about the budget to tell you what we'd do otherwise." Yup, sounds like the NDP to me. Screaming at the top of their lungs that everything the government does is wrong and corrupt, but offers nothing constructive.


How is that different than every government and every opposition party?


The good thing here is that it looks like the liberals took enough rope this time to hang themselves without the help of anyone else.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:25 PM

Related, in that the budget basically makes no mention of the environment...So this is in no way surprising. Short term wins again.


http://www.vancouver...8537/story.html

B.C. government failing to protect biodiversity:

The B.C. government is failing badly at protecting "Canada's most biologically diverse province," a report released Thursday by the Auditor General of B.C. concludes.


The report finds "significant gaps" in B.C.'s understanding of biodiversity, saying the government "does not know whether its actions are resulting in the conservation of biodiversity" and is "not adequately measuring and reporting on its progress" in the area.


The auditor general stresses the importance of biodiversity to all, saying it is "often compared to the health of the environment, and ultimately affects human wellbeing by supplying us with food, water, air, soil, and medicines."


The report found that the government has not completed establishing wildlife habitat areas for 36 of the 85 species it identifies as at risk from forest and range activities. Forty per cent of those areas designated are for grizzly bears, which means that a "large portion of government's efforts" have been dedicated to one species, the report noted.


"Habitat preservation is critical to the conservation of biodiversity and government's lack of implementation and monitoring is troubling," Auditor General John Doyle said in a statement.


Recommendations to government include:


-- commit long-term to collect sufficient and reliable information about the status of biodiversity in B.C.

-- review its legislative framework to ensure that any significant gaps or barriers to conservation of biodiversity are addressed.

-- assign responsibilities and timelines for conservation actions.

-- establish goals, objectives, and timelines for habitat designation and determine whether "other tools" are necessary to achieve biodiversity conservation.

-- monitor the effectiveness of government actions, and report periodically to the legislature and the public.


The report places the onus on two ministries as being primarily responsible for maintaining B.C.'s biodiversity -- forests, lands, and natural resource operations (Steve Thomson), as well as environment (Terry Lake).


On Wednesday, West Coast Environmental Law released a report saying that B.C.'s laws and policies are "hardwired" for failure. Jessica Clogg, the organization's executive-director said conservation efforts are stymied by "gaps and barriers such as caps on allowable protection, loopholes and exemptions in how land-use plans" are legalized, and failure to address the realities of climate change.



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:27 PM

Unless the Green party represenatative has a chance in your riding, it's pretty much a wasted vote (which is certainly your right, BTW)

I think the line from Rush's Freewill is apropos to this situation:

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"...


And IMO it's equally wasted on either of the two heavyweights. I figure I may as well waste it by sending a message that I'm fed up with the status quo of seesawing back in forth between two equally bad alternatives who have their own unique, ways of @#$%'ing us.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

The "HST fiasco" was bizarre and clearly demonstrated why tax policy should not be an exercise in direct democracy.

The Zalm was aided and abetted by the BC NDP in a campaign of misinformation. I would put as much of the blame on the NDP as the Liberals.


If they'd said before the election that they were thinking about this possibility, instead of denying it was even a possibility, none of that would have happened. It was a good and arguably necessary policy that we will not have in B.C. for years now and it is the Liberals' fault, 100%, for not putting it in the platform and defending it during the campaign.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:17 PM

If they'd said before the election that they were thinking about this possibility, instead of denying it was even a possibility, none of that would have happened. It was a good and arguably necessary policy that we will not have in B.C. for years now and it is the Liberals' fault, 100%, for not putting it in the platform and defending it during the campaign.

Because it was not a possibility as has been clearly set out by myself and RUPERTKBD?
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:13 PM

Because it was not a possibility as has been clearly set out by myself and RUPERTKBD?

They didn't put it in their platform because they simply didn't want it to be something that they would have had to defend in the platform. You can dress it up however you like but the facts are evident about what was going on previous to the election.


http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-documents.html
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

They didn't put it in their platform because they simply didn't want it to be something that they would have had to defend in the platform. You can dress it up however you like but the facts are evident about what was going on previous to the election.


http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-documents.html

BC had been talking about HST for years with the feds but before the election no decision was made when they were given a short fuse offer to get on board with the same deal as Ontario had signed.

The documents also appear to support, however, B.C. Finance Minister Colin Hansen's assertions that the Liberal government did not actually decide to bring in the new tax until bureaucrats briefed him on the province's financial future after the May 2009 election.

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On April 26, during the election campaign, the Liberal Party was asked in a questionnaire from the B.C. Restaurant and Foodservice Association, "Will your party oppose harmonizing GST with PST in British Columbia?"

The party official response was "…A harmonized GST is not something that is contemplated in the B.C. Liberal platform, but we are committed to improving the tax system."


So the HST was not an issue in the election nor part of the Liberal election platform.

Edited by Wetcoaster, 21 February 2013 - 08:24 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:40 PM

BC had been talking about HST for years with the feds but before the election no decision was made when they were given a short fuse offer to get on board with the same deal as Ontario had signed.

The documents also appear to support, however, B.C. Finance Minister Colin Hansen's assertions that the Liberal government did not actually decide to bring in the new tax until bureaucrats briefed him on the province's financial future after the May 2009 election.

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On April 26, during the election campaign, the Liberal Party was asked in a questionnaire from the B.C. Restaurant and Foodservice Association, "Will your party oppose harmonizing GST with PST in British Columbia?"

The party official response was "…A harmonized GST is not something that is contemplated in the B.C. Liberal platform, but we are committed to improving the tax system."


So the HST was not an issue in the election nor part of the Liberal election platform.



Of course it wasn't part of the platform why would you tell the people of the province your intentions were to discard two taxes so that they could offer a more punitive tax to cover them both. This had nothing to do with what was best for British Columbians it only had to do with shifting tax burden from businesses to british columbians and to cut a bigger swath for gaining taxes. I have no problem in a raise in tax. I have a problem in doing it on the backs of the poor rather than the rich. Which this did significantly.. I also have a problem in taking a 1.6 billion dollars as a bribe to do it.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:30 PM

Of course it wasn't part of the platform why would you tell the people of the province your intentions were to discard two taxes so that they could offer a more punitive tax to cover them both. This had nothing to do with what was best for British Columbians it only had to do with shifting tax burden from businesses to british columbians and to cut a bigger swath for gaining taxes. I have no problem in a raise in tax. I have a problem in doing it on the backs of the poor rather than the rich. Which this did significantly.. I also have a problem in taking a 1.6 billion dollars as a bribe to do it.

It was not done on the backs of the poor as has been pointed out clearly.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:40 PM

It was not done on the backs of the poor as has been pointed out clearly.



That's exactly who is being punished by having to pay more of the day to day necessities.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:25 PM

That's exactly who is being punished by having to pay more of the day to day necessities.

That is why there was the BC HST credit based on income so they poor were buffered against the changes.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:38 PM

That is why there was the BC HST credit based on income so they poor were buffered against the changes.


Rebate cheques are the most useless way of helping people there possibily is. Might as well have done nothing at all.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:40 AM

Rebate cheques are the most useless way of helping people there possibily is. Might as well have done nothing at all.

In your opinion. Many others differ in that assessment, including myself.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:01 AM

RCMP frontline policing budget gets an additional $52 million over three years.
An additional $5 million to fund enhanced treatment, counselling and prevention services to address problem gambling.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:07 AM

According to a Ipsos Reid about the budget, 12% believe the budget will be balanced. Only 11% will be more likely to vote for Christy Clark.

Amazingly, 44% of respondents believed the budget under the NDP would be worse. Only 28% believe the budget under the NDP will be better.

http://www.globaltvb...4142/story.html

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the NDP.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

According to a Ipsos Reid about the budget, 12% believe the budget will be balanced. Only 11% will be more likely to vote for Christy Clark.

Amazingly, 44% of respondents believed the budget under the NDP would be worse. Only 28% believe the budget under the NDP will be better.

http://www.globaltvb...4142/story.html

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the NDP.


Why would they believe it? The Liberals have never had a budget be remotely accurate. And they are the fiscally sound ones right? LOL

It's not an endorsement of either of them. Why do we limit ourselves to these two?
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:48 PM

That's exactly who is being punished by having to pay more of the day to day necessities.

Which day to day necessities are you talking about?
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

That's exactly who is being punished by having to pay more of the day to day necessities.


I'm far from a Liberal supporter but that's simply not true. Under the HST, the people who would have paid more were the middle/upper middle class and the rich.

-The Liberals botched the launch of and then failed miserably at selling the very real benefits of HST. That's where they're guilty.

-The NDP conspired with VZ on a false propaganda campaign to defeat the HST as a political party battle not a noble "for the people one.

It's sad that people here are arguing about these two parties like either one of them deserves your vote. One was arrogant and incompetent. The other underhanded and self serving. Why are any of you defending/supporting either of them?
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:17 PM

I'm far from a Liberal supporter but that's simply not true. Under the HST, the people who would have paid more were the middle/upper middle class and the rich.

-The Liberals botched the launch of and then failed miserably at selling the very real benefits of HST. That's where they're guilty.

-The NDP conspired with VZ on a false propaganda campaign to defeat the HST as a political party battle not a noble "for the people one.

It's sad that people here are arguing about these two parties like either one of them deserves your vote. One was arrogant and incompetent. The other underhanded and self serving. Why are any of you defending/supporting either of them?

I am not pro-BC Liberal so much as I am anti BC NDP having seen the damage wrought by prior BC Dipper governments.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

I am not pro-BC Liberal so much as I am anti BC NDP having seen the damage wrought by prior BC Dipper governments.

I love how Anti- NDP ers say that they brought all this damage to BC. I have yet to see economic data that supports this (ie. the NDP era was significantly worse than the Lib era).
Was the NDP responsible for the closure of the coal mines in Tumbler Ridge, and the Libs for their reopening? The answer is NO, coal prices were. The NDP era was full of stagnant/falling prices for resources like coal, gold, etc and the Lib era was full of these prices going through the roof. Since our economy has a significant portion based in the resource sector, what kind of effect do you think this had. Closed mines, reduced production, reduced expansion, reduced exploration during the NPD. The opposite during the Libs. I'll grant the Libs for reducing the red tape, but it is prices that ultimately gets the ball rolling.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

I love how Anti- NDP ers say that they brought all this damage to BC. I have yet to see economic data that supports this (ie. the NDP era was significantly worse than the Lib era).
Was the NDP responsible for the closure of the coal mines in Tumbler Ridge, and the Libs for their reopening? The answer is NO, coal prices were. The NDP era was full of stagnant/falling prices for resources like coal, gold, etc and the Lib era was full of these prices going through the roof. Since our economy has a significant portion based in the resource sector, what kind of effect do you think this had. Closed mines, reduced production, reduced expansion, reduced exploration during the NPD. The opposite during the Libs. I'll grant the Libs for reducing the red tape, but it is prices that ultimately gets the ball rolling.

It seems you have not looked.

I lived through the Barrett and Harcourt/Clark/Miller/Dosanjh disasters and it took years to dig out from under.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:53 PM

blah blah blah, same old.

And never any discussion about issues like the environment--a price we'll pay in the long term no doubt.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

BC Bud...get
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

BC had been talking about HST for years with the feds but before the election no decision was made when they were given a short fuse offer to get on board with the same deal as Ontario had signed.


The documents also appear to support, however, B.C. Finance Minister Colin Hansen's assertions that the Liberal government did not actually decide to bring in the new tax until bureaucrats briefed him on the province's financial future after the May 2009 election.

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On April 26, during the election campaign, the Liberal Party was asked in a questionnaire from the B.C. Restaurant and Foodservice Association, "Will your party oppose harmonizing GST with PST in British Columbia?"

The party official response was "A harmonized GST is not something that is contemplated in the B.C. Liberal platform, but we are committed to improving the tax system."

So the HST was not an issue in the election nor part of the Liberal election platform.


So if they were talking about the HST for years with the Feds are were supportive of the tax with federal help then why didn't they say that when asked pre-election? Instead the Fiberials said they had no plans to bring in the HST at all. All they had to say is they think the tax is a good idea but would only bring it in with Federal help, instead they said they had no plans to bring in the HST then brought it in, how does that not look fishy?
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

So if they were talking about the HST for years with the Feds are were supportive of the tax with federal help then why didn't they say that when asked pre-election? Instead the Fiberials said they had no plans to bring in the HST at all. All they had to say is they think the tax is a good idea but would only bring it in with Federal help, instead they said they had no plans to bring in the HST then brought it in, how does that not look fishy?

It only looks fishy if one is unfamiliar with the history of the HST negotiations.

It was public knowledge that the BC government had been speaking for many years about harmonization with the feds - going back to the BC NDP government. It was regularly included in the Finance Ministry annual reports.

The two major sticking points were the transitional costs and the lack of independence in making changes to the BC portion of the harmonized tax. Both those obstacles were removed with the Ontario deal and BC was then offered the same deal on a short fuse after the election.
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