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#61 fagin

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:58 PM

Yes, Of course he did. A Selke winning 2nd line Center will do that.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:00 PM

He played his best hockey offensively when he Mikael Samuelson was around. Would love to see him back, playing with Kesler.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:13 PM

The Sedins created a goal, Kesler created a goal.
Where's the rest of the team?

Laughable production:
Booth 0 points in 4 games
Raymond 1 point in 8 games
Kassian 2 points in 8 games
Hansen 1 point in 8 games
Schroeder 1 point in 8 games
Volpatti 0 points in 8 games


Average production
Higgins 3 points in 8 games
Kesler 5 points in 7 games
Lapierre 2 points in 8 games (for him)
Weise 2 points in 8 games (for him)

Good production
Burrows 7 points in 8 games
Henrik Sedin 12 points in 8 games
Daniel Sedin 12 points in 8 games

Pretty clear who needs to pick it up offensively.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:16 PM

I blame AV, always screwing with a good thing. Lines should look like this,

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Higgins-Kesler-Burrows
Raymond-Schroeder-Hansen
Volpatti-Lapierre-Booth

Booth is seriously in an awkward spot right now.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:40 PM

Not surprising that the top producers are the 1st line and PP1. I know PP2 only gets around 30 secs per powerplay but there needs to be at least a bit of production there.

The Sedins created a goal, Kesler created a goal.
Where's the rest of the team?

Laughable production:
Booth 0 points in 4 games
Raymond 1 point in 8 games
Kassian 2 points in 8 games
Hansen 1 point in 8 games
Schroeder 1 point in 8 games
Volpatti 0 points in 8 games


Average production
Higgins 3 points in 8 games
Kesler 5 points in 7 games
Lapierre 2 points in 8 games (for him)
Weise 2 points in 8 games (for him)

Good production
Burrows 7 points in 8 games
Henrik Sedin 12 points in 8 games
Daniel Sedin 12 points in 8 games

Pretty clear who needs to pick it up offensively.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:32 AM

Kesler plays with his teammates like ovi. Except ovi normally can score. Kes needs to go back to his 3rd line ways but then is overpaid
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:42 AM

No. AV did.

Whenever a star forward is injured the Canucks end up doing really well. Why is that?

Kesler should have never played injured. A healthy hungry youngster would be better. Too bad the coach is too comfortable here and lets certain 'star' players coach themselves (same with Lu)
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:55 AM

No. AV did.

Whenever a star forward is injured the Canucks end up doing really well. Why is that?

Kesler should have never played injured. A healthy hungry youngster would be better. Too bad the coach is too comfortable here and lets certain 'star' players coach themselves (same with Lu)


I've often wondered about the whole "Kesler was injured but it's not an excuse" excuse...

If we combine MG's comments in defense of the Hodgson trade and the later unraveling of the team in its (very short) post season appearance, then the story we have is basically: "It was okay to trade the producing Hodgson because Kesler was improving after coming back from his 2011 season/playoffs injury(ies), but Kesler was also newly injured long before the Hodgson trade and remained injured until end of playoffs, thus accounting for Kesler's lack of production for the 2012 season/playoffs". The part that doesn't make sense was the whole "Kesler was injured but it's not an excuse" excuse thing...

Either Kesler was injured (before/during/after the Hodgson trade), thus accounting for his poor performance for the balance of last season and the (very brief) Canuck playoffs, or Kesler was not so injured and therefore simply performed poorly.

If he was so injured (so as to eventually require MORE off-season surgeries), then why was he given more ice time, game after game for months, than any other Canuck forward?

We're not talking about a player who sucked it up for a few games at the end of the season because otherwise the team may not make the playoffs. We're talking about a guy who was played again and again and again more than any other forward on a team that was essentially guaranteed the PT...

What coach OVERPLAYS an INJURED player UNNECESSARILY, again and again, game after game, for MONTHS????

I can only fathom that either AV is incompetent when it comes to managing team assets (ie: he actually chooses to overplay an injured player unnecessarily, or he can't control the injured player), or the whole thing about Kesler being injured before the trade deadline and through to the end of the (very brief for Canucks) playoffs was an empty lie.

Which is which? Can't be both. Either AV can't manage his assets, or one of the assets (Kesler) can't be managed - and therefore could reasonably be assumed to upset any team chemistry.

Personally I figure it's the later - Kesler can't be managed effectively.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

Not to sound like I'm jumping the gun here but why does the team fare better without Kesler on the roster?

The Canucks pulled off one of the best starts (statistically, at least) in many a year, and we hadn't seen them play with the tenacity they had in the first couple weeks in the 2012 playoffs.

The team had a 2nd line that was very threatening and often forced the opposition to target this line with their better defenders (the Schroeder line). Though we did not average a 3.0 GPG average, we got by with wins that, though much had to do with Luongo and Schneider, the forwards played very hard for the majority of the games.

Then came Kesler. We were very excited to see his return, myself included. He scored in his first few games, and we were satisfied with how he was playing. And then the antics started. The arrogance and the puck hogging came back. We started what would be our longest losing streak this season.

When he sustained another injury, the Canucks scored 4 goals in 40 minutes. Players like Raymond and Hansen, who weren't playing particularly well with Kesler in the lineup, both played major roles in the shape of today's game so far. Even Kassian is making an impact in the offensive zone, something he failed to do while on Kesler's wing this season.

At the end of the day there is no conclusive evidence to make any statement. However, the rate at which the Canucks' performance dipped and soared with regards to Kesler's presence is astonishing.

Speculation breeds discussion, does it not?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:54 PM

Better team game....
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:55 PM

As I said, before the mods locked my thread, Kesler ruins the chemistry. If I was MG I'll trade him ASAP.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

Not a coincidence. Kesler came back early again.

Stop it, Kesler.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:58 PM

Kesler broke his foot in his first game back. He was playing with a broken foot the entire time. That's why he wasn't playing well.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:58 PM

Could imagine a pretty hefty return for Schneider/Luongo + Kesler.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:58 PM

I am beginning to agree. I would consider a Kes trade if it made the team better this year.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

Healthy kesler IS this team once the playoffs start. A true warrior. The only player that played like he gave a damn during the Finals. Playing on one leg and still showing 200 times the heart of the sedins in the finals. Yeah, i said it. We wouldn't even have gotten past the Predators without Kesler. He looked pretty dangerous in his first game and he also broke his foot in that game. It explains a lot.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:04 PM

I think he just needs to be moved to the wing. Would fix everything, his run and gun, bull in a china shop style is destroying him and his lines play, let him do that up the boards. It worked before..
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:05 PM

I wouldn't go as far as saying Kesler ruins the chemistry of the team but I do agree the Canucks seem to play with more intensity/urgency without Kes in the line up. I think perhaps its because the Sedins don't seem to play to this elevated level (we are seeing tonight- I mean Hank is 'gooning' it up) because they know that Kes will be there to back them up. I also noticed it seemed that when Kes returned from his injury the other players on his line (specifically when Kass played with Kess) seemed to be trying to hard to set Kesler up, to get him going again.
If Vancouver wants to succeed then they needs to play like this (the way they are playing tonight) all of the time regardless if Kes is there to provide grit or not . Its not just about one player its a whole team effort and sometimes it feels like the other Canucks are wanting Kes to be the one who 'saves' them. Kesler also needs to pass more and use his team mates. As you all know I love Kesler he is my favorite player but I have gotten a little frustrated with him lately because he seemed to not use his team mates enough. I understand he was hurt/coming of an injury. I kind of want them to try Kes on the wing. I think he would be more successful on the wing and could play a more aggressive gritty, puck hogging, style then a center needs to play.

Edited by Gillyfluffball, 02 March 2013 - 10:11 PM.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:10 PM

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:17 PM

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:22 PM

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:45 PM

Another win without Kesler, whats our record without him?

And decisive too at that

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:56 PM

It would be great if he could pass once in while then he would be perfect
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:59 PM

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:00 PM

Commonly occurs throughout the league. A top player goes down to injury and the team rallies and ends up playing better. Ottawa won 5 straight after Karlsson, the best dman in the league, went out.
When the playoffs come around and Kesler is out, you'll see the real damage.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:05 PM

We will even be better if Booth is not playing as well.

Edited by Understand, 02 March 2013 - 11:06 PM.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:06 PM

We will even be better if Booth is not playing as well.


I think so. Trade him too.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:53 PM

We had a 6-game winning streak before Kesler came back.

As soon as he comes back, we break the streak and start a LOSING STREAK.

What has changed since the winning streak to the losing streak? Kesler. The guy hasn't played with the team for MONTHS and then all of a sudden they throw him in and upsets the balance.

There is no other explanation.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:00 PM

I have said this many times but how the canucks treated Manny probably have something to do with the current slump. Players probably felt less motivated to play for a team who didn't stand by its players.
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