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Poll: Canucks now vs. Broad Street Bullies then (42 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you like to see the Canucks play like the Broad Street Bullies did?

  1. Yes (14 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. No (28 votes [66.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

Do you think it could happen in the next five years?

  1. Yes (4 votes [9.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  2. No (38 votes [90.48%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 90.48%

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#1 Raffi Torres's Smirk

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:27 AM

I watched this documentary on the Broad Street Bullies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms68m8ZP528

I found it interesting how the coaches didn't just use physical play and fighting for entertainment purposes, but actually as a tactic for winning games. They incorporated a strategy of intimidation to not only give their talented players more space, but as a result everyone on the team played "with bigger balls." This culture of physical play and hard work translated to winning more puck battles, and eventually, more games.

Do you think this could be a better system than what we have right now? Is there too much skill in the league for this to be effective?

Although unrealistic under AV, I hope that one day the Canucks will play like this again. I'm not even sure a massive lineup change would be needed either. If guys like Volpatti, Kassian, Lapierre, even Vandermeer, were getting regular shifts and were 'off the leash' so to speak the whole image of the Canucks could change. Team's wouldn't take liberties with our players. Suits in the lower bowl might actually stay off their cellphones (or better yet, not show up). Music in the arena would change. The Southsiders (and other awesome fans) wouldn't be getting booted. Don Cherry would be our number one fanboy.

Obviously, this isn't what the Aquilini's want because they like GMMG, AV, and the money that comes along with the corporate image we have. Maybe some over the hill celebrity with a lot of money and bravado (e.g. Hulk Hogan) would need to buy the Canucks for this to happen. Does anyone know any 'old time hockey' stars that have the money to buy the Canucks?

Another thing they talk about is how important having Bernie Parent was for them (their goalie). They way the players spoke of him reminded me about how the Canucks players talk about Schneider. Parent gave them resolve, confidence, like Schneider does for the Canucks. Schneider isn't as much of a character as Parent was (shoe sniffer, daily naps with his german shepherd) but his impressions are pretty good.

We have the pieces, we could do this if we wanted to.
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#2 JimLahey

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:31 AM

Different times. In the 70's, this was real hockey. But today, Shanaban would have a field day.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:05 AM

Different times. In the 70's, this was real hockey. But today, Shanaban would have a field day.


Agreed... Hockey is a joke now
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:09 AM

I'm quite happy with the level of physicality we have this year with Kassian, Volpatti, Lapierre, Bieksa and Weise willing to fight, although a few more solid hits in game would be nice. I'd rather watch the Canucks win games as a skill team than a team of goons.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:17 AM

God damn! The fights back then were brutal!!!
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:28 AM

I watched this documentary on the Broad Street Bullies:

Do you think this could be a better system than what we have right now? Is there too much skill in the league for this to be effective?


It worked for the Boston Bruins. :emot-parrot:
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:30 AM

The Skill level of todays game is a lot harder to come by than the simple goonery of the old days. That style wouldn't work, the penalty box would be full and the rest of the teams in the league would eat Van alive on the PP. Besides, if guys have a choice on how to play, very few in the league today would choose to play like that rather than a smart, skill game. Anyone can field a team of ogres. Go watch wrestling or MMA for that stuff, leave the skill and speed to hockey.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:36 AM

I am not a fan of the style of hockey our team plays. Fighting is ok but what we really need is team toughness. A combination of hits, blocked shots, and attitude is what I appreciate. If our stars (plus Bieksa, Hammer and Edler) played with half of the conviction of Hansen, our team would own.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:42 AM

Different times. In the 70's, this was real hockey. But today, Shanaban would have a field day.


He'd probably want to rent a place in Massachusetts for his convenience.

RE: OP, I don't think team goonery is the proper extent to take it (Julien); I'd think the best tactic would be to have team toughness, not in the form of battering the other guys with your fists but by being physical during games where you can leave your mark (physically and on the scoreboard) the most. Consistent, solid checking and not tolerating any abuse given, but NOT being the aggressors in making dirty plays, should be the way to go about it, IMO.

Edited by g@m3b0i, 20 February 2013 - 11:46 AM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:09 PM

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

He'd probably want to rent a place in Massachusetts for his convenience.

RE: OP, I don't think team goonery is the proper extent to take it (Julien); I'd think the best tactic would be to have team toughness, not in the form of battering the other guys with your fists but by being physical during games where you can leave your mark (physically and on the scoreboard) the most. Consistent, solid checking and not tolerating any abuse given, but NOT being the aggressors in making dirty plays, should be the way to go about it, IMO.


You should watch the documentary. Yeah, a couple goons started it, but it gave the Flyers the team toughness you speak of (and that the Canucks could use). That team also had skilled players, including numerous players that scored 30+ goals (http://www.hockey-re...s/PHI/1973.html). The toughness and skill went hand in hand.

Their Watson brothers could be our Sedins. Their Macleish could be our Kesler. Even Schultz, their biggest goon, scored 20+ a couple times. They didn't just goon it up, as people think they did, they were just tough as hell. Real men. Their coach, Fred Shero, even reminds me of AV in the sense that he didn't talk a lot. The big difference being that he let his team hit and fight, whereas AV keeps a pretty tight leash.

I, for one, want to see this old time hockey come back. I would love it even more if it made a lot of fairweather fans and bandwagoners abandon the Canucks, leaving just the true fans. I should stop dreaming though, because Vancouver isn't the underdog, blue-collar city of losing teams that fell in love with the Bullies. All those 'most liveable city' awards has given Vancouver a big head and we would never fully embrace a truly tough team. If they move the team to Surrey maybe I will start dreaming again.

I started this discussion to show everyone that documentary, and to show that we have the pieces to be a tough team if we wanted to.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:41 PM

If any team played like the Broad Street Bullies, they'd have a player suspended every other game, so no.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:57 PM

Hockey is a business first and a sport second under Bettman. What's best for the game is more popularity in America, which means prioritizing the success of struggling teams and teams in important TV markets. There are a few exceptions due to politics like Jeremy Jacobs' high position in the NHL but for the most part, the NHL makes money by increasing hockey's popularity in the States. Canucks hockey doesn't do that and so, regardless of how we play, we're gonna get reigned in by refs. A hyper-physical game isn't going to jive well in today's NHL.

That said, I'd love to see refs call things by the book and you'd undoubtedly see bigger hits, more dynamic games, more offense, real superstars coming to the forefront along the lines of star basketball players and way more emotion. As it is now, the game is cold and dead because people practically get penalized while on the bench. That would grow the game in my mind, but Bettman just doesn't see that. And why would a lawyer who used to be NBA commissioner see that in the game?
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:14 PM

I'm quite happy with the level of physicality we have this year with Kassian, Volpatti, Lapierre, Bieksa and Weise willing to fight, although a few more solid hits in game would be nice. I'd rather watch the Canucks win games as a skill team than a team of goons.


Have fun watching them win October to April then.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

No & No.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

I don't think any team will be like the Broad Street Bullies, the game has changed so much. Hockey will always be a tough sport, but I doubt it will ever be as much of a gongshow as it was back then.

Anyways I think if you look at what Mike Gillis has been doing recently, the Canucks have been trending towards a tougher style of play. Look at our recent draft picks, as well as the Kassian trade. I think we're already seeing results, the Canucks seem pretty physical this year and are 3rd in the league in fights. I think down the road we will see an even bigger and tougher team once our younger players reach the big leagues.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:12 PM

If the Canucks tried anything that the broad street bullies did, they'd probably get banned for life knowing the NHL nowadays
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:39 PM

I WOULD STOP CHEERING FOR THE CANUCKS AFTER 25YEARS. Torres was an embarassment and I'm glad he's gone. Watching him intentionally injure players and endanger their careers was one of the only times I have been deeply Ashamed by a canuck. I would love to see us get a guy like Chris Neil who plays a clean rough style.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:29 AM

Just as an interesting side note on the "Broad Street Bullies", I think a lot depends on how the NHL refs would call the games they play.

Do we recall that 1975 - 76 tour by the Red Army team? Super Series '76 it was called.

The Red Army beat the Rangers 7 - 3, tied Montreal 3 - 3 (who were the current Stanley Cup champions), beat Boston 5 - 2, and lost to the Flyers by a score of 4 - 1.

The Red Army team lost because the Flyers prepared for them, and then played the game as they played an NHL game, and the refs called the game like an NHL game. From Wikipedia (the source of all knowledge...):

"In their final game, Red Army suffered a 4-1 loss at the hands of the defending two-time Stanley Cup champions, the Philadelphia Flyers. That game was notable as the Flyers' completely dominated the game, even without having Hall of Fame goalie Bernie Parent available for the game. The gritty Flyers who were led by 3-time league MVP winner Bobby Clarke, great play by several Flyers including Rick MacLeish, Wayne Stevenson in goal, and even a shorthanded goal by light scoring defenseman Joe Watson, also Ed Van Impe delivered a hard hit on the CSKA's top player, Valeri Kharlamov, knocking the latter prone on the ice for a minute, and the Soviet coach pulled his team from the ice in protest of the officials' ruling that the hit was a legal play (19:15 is the start of a sequence of hits the Russians received in the video, ending with the hit to Kharlamov). Praise of the Flyers play came from all areas of North America, even from the Montreal Gazette sports writer Tim Burke "The Flyers salvage Canada's pride in her nation sport with a near perfect hockey masterpiece... It came as a glorious finale to Super Series '76...It was one of the most remarkable displays of preparedness, discipline and unflappability in the annals of sport and it elevated Flyers' Coach Fred Shero's systematic approach to the game beyond question."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2VUUzezVf8


There is something to be said for playing a hard-hitting, physical style provided that the official aren't going to give you an unduly high number of penalties for playing in that fashion.

On the other hand, goon hockey is not something I'd like to see make a come-back.


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Edited by Gollumpus, 21 February 2013 - 12:41 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:24 AM

Just as an interesting side note on the "Broad Street Bullies", I think a lot depends on how the NHL refs would call the games they play.


Thanks for some real hockey to watch. Haven't seen any in what seems like years. God the NHL is a joke.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:52 AM

On the other hand, goon hockey is not something I'd like to see make a come-back.


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It really was goon hockey Philly played. Hack and slash hockey. Schultz would step on the ice and drop the gloves and go directly after a star player from the other team. Thus taking an opposing star player off for 5 minutes. The instigator rule was put in place after years of GM's complaining about this tactic. I hated watching that Flyers team play. I cheer for any team to beat them, including Toronto and Montreal.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:21 AM

It worked for the Boston Bruins. :emot-parrot:


That's because the league lets them play like that. There's no way they would let the Canucks play like that.
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