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Poll: Who REALLY is our #1 Defense man (164 member(s) have cast votes)

Including past seasons, who is our current #1 defenseman?

  1. #2 Dan Hamhuis (72 votes [43.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.90%

  2. #3 Kevin Bieksa (19 votes [11.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.59%

  3. #23 Alex Edler (52 votes [31.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.71%

  4. Other. (21 votes [12.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.80%

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#1 zombieksa

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

I was just curious as to who CDC really thinks is our #1 defense man on the team. A lot of people might choose one player because of his defensive skills, or because of his high points total at the end of the season but I want readers to take into consideration other aspects of their games as well.

Major Criteria:

- Defensive skill: is the player expected to play against the teams best offensive players? Are they expected to log lots of minutes in their own zone? Do they play a significant role on the PK?

- Offensive flair: Does the player rack up a lot of points? Does the player just receive a lot of assists or does he find the back of the net a lot? Does he score 5 on 5 or does he rely on PP time? Does he make the PP more dangerous.

Minor Criteria:
- Is he a good skater? Is he fast? How is his fore checking and back checking?
- is his plus/minus an indication of good play or preferable deployment?
- how well does this player mesh with different defensive pairings? Does he fall apart more often than the other when partners are switched?
- Is he a leader in the room?


So take a minute and think about each one of these aspects of our top 3 defense man over the course of their career in Vancouver and make an educated decision.

:)

Dan Hamhuis: 3 Seasons: 161GP 11G 57A 68Pts 86PIM +56 7PPG 0GWG
Kevin Bieksa: 8 Seasons: 440GP 46G 150A 196Pts 670PIM +30 17PPG 9GWG
Alex Edler: 7 Seasons: 401GP 47G 148A 195Pts 212PIM +32 23PPG+1SHG 2GWG

Playoffs
Hamhuis: 24GP 1G 8A 9Pts 12PIM +3 2PPG 0GWG
Bieksa: 61GP 9G 15A 24Pts 105PIM +10 2PPG 3GWG
Edler: 55Gp 7G 20A 27Pts 34PIM +1 3PPG 0GWG

Edited by knoxdown, 20 February 2013 - 02:00 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:45 PM

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Why isn't there a "Nobody" option? :(
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:45 PM

Hammer.
Edler can be more of an impact player, but he doesn't bring it consistently on a game-to-game basis the way Hamhuis does.
His reliable play on our backend haas been huge for us the past few seasons.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:46 PM

Why isn't there a "Nobody" option? :(


We don't have a true number 1 defenceman! Luckily we do have a #1!
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:47 PM

Hamhuis!!!!!!!
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:48 PM

Dan Hamhuis easy. He's sound defensively, makes little mistakes, Canadian kid, and to top it off he still manages to put up points and usually from what I remember anyways; most of his goals are pretty clutch.

If Edler would stop making silly mistakes and giveaways he would be our #1. He has great offensive potential and a great skill set; he just hasn't found his stride yet. Seem's like he finds it for awhile and plays better then any player in the league, then loses it and goes back down to rookie level.

Bieksa is good but just makes to many silly plays, and penalties.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:01 PM

#1 Hamhuis, #2 Edler, #3 Bieksa
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:08 PM

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Chris Tanev.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:10 PM

Neither yet
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

Dave Babych................oh I mean Alex Edler!
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:21 PM

Edler about 60% of the time.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

I should know better than to come into this thread.

The team's #1 is Alex Edler. How he stacks up against other #1 defenseman in the league is irrelevant. He's the #1 on THIS team. He leads the team in:

Points: 11
Goals: 4
TOI: 23:49 (leads 2nd place Hamhuis by just over a full minute per game)
PP goals: 2
Shots: 35
Blocked shots: 35 (next best is Bieksa, with 22)
Takeaways: 8 (actually tied with Ballard and Tanev)

2nd in hits, with 25 (only a whopping 1 hit behind the team leader Bieksa)

Now, I realize that these aren't very advanced statistics and there's probably some metric out there that somebody could used to attempt to determine that Edler is not the team's #1, but I actually don't think you need to go very deep. Edler leads the team in pretty much every basic category for defensemen. Period. That would kind of mean that he's the best, or #1, defenseman.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

Somebody here also mentioned a good point: A team's #1 isn't always actually their best defensive defenseman, strictly speaking. For instance, Brian Campbell is Florida's #1, but a guy like Mike Weaver is probably a better defensive defenseman. The thing is, Weaver doesn't have nearly as well a rounded game as Campbell and Campbell isn't so much worse defensively than Weaver that he'd be below Weaver on the depth chart.

Same goes for Edler here. Hamhuis is more tidy in his own zone, but you're dreaming if you think he can impact a game like Edler can.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

We have no true #1.

We have a bunch of #2's, however. Edler is about as close to a true #1 as we've got, but he needs to be more consistent.

Edited by Jai604, 20 February 2013 - 02:29 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

Bieksa shouldn't even be in the poll, I think he would be a better 3rd liner then defense man imo lol.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

Hammer
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

Cam Barker :bigblush:
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

Hammer, Edler is in a learning curve still......
Edler has the potential to be our #1.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

It's Edler, but people don't realize that he's still very young at 26. He's just entering his prime. We'll probably find that number 1 in him, when he's around 28. Even, when he sucks, he's still able to change the game with one play. At his worst game, he's still better than everyone except Hamhuis.

He's getting too much flak, he's playing on the wrong side, he's not a puck mover but being asked to play as a puck moving offensive defense man, and there is so much skill there that you want him to be more consistent.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

Bieksa
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:04 PM

It's Edler, but people don't realize that he's still very young at 26. He's just entering his prime. We'll probably find that number 1 in him, when he's around 28. Even, when he sucks, he's still able to change the game with one play. At his worst game, he's still better than everyone except Hamhuis.

He's getting too much flak, he's playing on the wrong side, he's not a puck mover but being asked to play as a puck moving offensive defense man, and there is so much skill there that you want him to be more consistent.


Well said. Can't argue that he's inconsistent and sloppy at the moment but he'll get there. People just have to stop expecting superstars out of every player.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

No true number one... Good by committee but no stud D man on this roster....
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:29 PM

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:31 PM

tanev bang for buck hands down last night he was our best D he wasnt getting caught pinching in deep giving up odd man rushes and his amazing play on the last 2 on 1 where toews shouldve had a tap in kept it at 2 goal game and kept it in reach for us to come back tanev schnieds and burrows were the only reason we even made it close. also tanev doesnt make stupid plays in our ow end he makes the simple pass and gets our team breaking out or high off the glass when our D cant get the puck out of our own end its almost never him on the ice.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

Tanev.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:37 PM

Pound for pound it's Tanev.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

In their infinite wisdom the .org let walk the only two elite d man this team had-Ehrhoff and Salo.
Eddy could use some symmetrical support.Instead ,the young man is being dragged down to the levels of Bieksa and Garrison.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

Edler closest , but id take bieksa over hamhuis with how this season has gone so far
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

Edler has the potential and the age to RAISE HIS GAME. He needs to play as an elite dman to bring the team a true #1 in the playoffs (like Erhoff needed to do before him, but couldn't quite do it). If we ever want to stand a chance at winning the cup, we will need him to step up, or pick up another top dman.

Bieksa has a chance to be a major factor in the playoffs, but his age kind of shows that this is his peak and probably won't take another LARGE step up.
Hamhuis and Garrison are more of the same, but could be more of those "no name" top pairing shutdown D-man like a Mitchell or a Scuderi. They shouldn't be expected to score big time (even though Garrison could score).

The other D-men are "good luck", we should expect them to just be solid and play perfect D, but not really anything close to leading the Defense corps.

Edited by Forsy, 20 February 2013 - 04:13 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:07 PM

FTR I'm not fond of the "criteria!"

Different guys are effective for different reasons, and we should be ansering this question with one answer only; "who is the most effective!"

Normally I would have answered Hamhuis. He has been for 2 seasons now. Although if we over rated "criteria,"which effectively means reading statistics versus watching all the subtleties of how a guy impacts a game, maybe Edler is the answer.

So far this year, I see Garrison as the guy. And its close, Ballard and Tanev have been playing well. But get back to who is most effective? Tanev ain't going to move Thornton from in front of our net. Hamhuis actually looks like he is struggling a bit, turning slower and getting beat where we would not normally see it. Perhaps he's nursing an injury. Edler and Bieksa, good offensively but a few too many gaff's lately. Garrison is not dynamic offensively, we've yet to see his shot, but is steady and the most physically capable at 220 lbs. Against the toughest match up; he'd be first over the boards, hence my vote.

And we are still really playing defence by committee as a point of fact; we don't have an undisputed #1 guy!. Because no one guy has all the skills (hence no Norris on any of our guys resume's). And even then, the committee is missing a puck rushing guy who can break pressure (see how many times we got stuck in the neutral zone against Chicago) and a 2knd right hand shot. We are great in our end, but not a top flight D team in all aspects.



I was just curious as to who CDC really thinks is our #1 defense man on the team. A lot of people might choose one player because of his defensive skills, or because of his high points total at the end of the season but I want readers to take into consideration other aspects of their games as well.

Major Criteria:

- Defensive skill: is the player expected to play against the teams best offensive players? Are they expected to log lots of minutes in their own zone? Do they play a significant role on the PK?

- Offensive flair: Does the player rack up a lot of points? Does the player just receive a lot of assists or does he find the back of the net a lot? Does he score 5 on 5 or does he rely on PP time? Does he make the PP more dangerous.

Minor Criteria:
- Is he a good skater? Is he fast? How is his fore checking and back checking?
- is his plus/minus an indication of good play or preferable deployment?
- how well does this player mesh with different defensive pairings? Does he fall apart more often than the other when partners are switched?
- Is he a leader in the room?


So take a minute and think about each one of these aspects of our top 3 defense man over the course of their career in Vancouver and make an educated decision.

:)

Dan Hamhuis: 3 Seasons: 161GP 11G 57A 68Pts 86PIM +56 7PPG 0GWG
Kevin Bieksa: 8 Seasons: 440GP 46G 150A 196Pts 670PIM +30 17PPG 9GWG
Alex Edler: 7 Seasons: 401GP 47G 148A 195Pts 212PIM +32 23PPG+1SHG 2GWG

Playoffs
Hamhuis: 24GP 1G 8A 9Pts 12PIM +3 2PPG 0GWG
Bieksa: 61GP 9G 15A 24Pts 105PIM +10 2PPG 3GWG
Edler: 55Gp 7G 20A 27Pts 34PIM +1 3PPG 0GWG


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