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#1 Provost

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:44 PM

If things keep playing out like they have, it looks more like our biggest need is changing from a 3rd line centre to a top 4 RH defenceman (we still need an upgraded 3rd line centre to replace Schroeder for playoff hockey... but less than we need to solidify our defence).

The lineup for next game seems to have moved Tanev to the 2nd pairing with Edler and dropping Garrison down. I know Garrison is still catching up from injury and dealing with a new system, but why not put him in the best position to succeed on his own side of the ice.

It would mean also moving Ballard, which is a shame since he is finally getting his feet under him... but he is still #4 on the depth chart on the left side (especially since two of the guys above him and NTC and Edler just got extended and won't be traded). In the same deal or another deal I don't think we have a big problem moving Ballard considering how many teams are hurting for defence.

From rumoured trade partners, here are RH D who could be of interest

Washington:
John Carlson - would take something in addition to Luongo (maybe Ballard and Luongo for him and Beagle or Hendricks?)

Florida:
Gudbranson - we aren't getting him, almost no chance... so really no Florida options unless we can find a way to pry him out by overpaying. (Luongo+Schroeder+XXX+XXX for Gudbranson and Weiss or Matthias)

Anyone see other RH D options that we could swing a reasonable trade? Even in a non-Luongo deal?

Edited by Provost, 20 February 2013 - 01:49 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:50 PM

It Depends if they tank next 10 games. But Gudbranson wont be traded.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:55 PM

Unlikely (0%) but an Edler for Bogosian swap would be fair.

Edited by JimLahey, 20 February 2013 - 01:56 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:09 PM

Sorry folks. Meant to delete a post, not lock the topic. :wacko:
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

Sorry folks. Meant to delete a post, not lock the topic. :wacko:
Re-opened for discussion


Hehe... I was looking at proposal threads below trying to figure out what was so unreasonable about this one compared to some others :)
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:33 PM

Like how you thinking on this one...
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:37 PM

Sorry folks. Meant to delete a post, not lock the topic. :wacko:
Re-opened for discussion


As a penalty you should relieve yourself of your moderating duties and hand them over to me :bigblush:
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:03 PM

I'm starting to see Petrovic as a centrepiece in a deal with Florida, and less of a throw in. He's a big 6'4 RH defenseman, with a mean streak. He's just in his first year pro now, and has looked tremendous with the SA Rampage, where he earned himself a call up earlier this season, but did not see any game time.

If Talon doesn't want to trade any of his top prospects (ie Huberdeau, Gudbranson, Bjugstad), then would he consider a package of his very good secondary prospects?

I'm thinking:

FLA
Luongo

VAN
Petrovic
One of Trochek/Shore/Howden
2013 2nd rounder

This wouldn't give us immediate help, but gives us a number of options for next season with a declining cap.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:51 PM

To Buf: Luongo and Pick

To Van: Myers and Stafford
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:55 PM

To Buf: Luongo and Pick

To Van: Myers and Stafford


... and Buffalo trade or buy out Miller's last year?
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:46 PM

I like Mark Fayne, of NJ
I also wonder if Eirhoff will fall out of favour with the new coach in buff After Lindy throwing puck possesion and defence out the window.
John Carlson would be great to land. But it will never happen but one thing is certain a rh d is at the top of gillis's list
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:20 PM

I'm thinking a bottom pairing RH defence man would be more likely. Like how they have promoted Tanev up to play with Edler while moving Garrison down.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:32 PM

I'm thinking a bottom pairing RH defence man would be more likely. Like how they have promoted Tanev up to play with Edler while moving Garrison down.


Tanev is fine... but he is not yet a top 4 guy in the league, at least on a team with Stanley Cup aspirations. He is up there because the other options suck.

Our 3rd pairing plays a lot of minutes compared to most in the league, that is where Tanev should slot in ideally at least for the next couple of years.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:05 PM

Luo, Franson, Weise to Winnipeg
Bogosian, Frattin to Vancouver
Pavelec to Toronto.

Edited by oldnews, 20 February 2013 - 08:06 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:34 PM

How about

To Columbus:
Luongo (5.3M)
Andrew Alberts (1.25M)

for
(D) Jack Johnson (4.3M)
(G) Bobrovsky (1.75M)
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:03 AM

How about

To Columbus:
Luongo (5.3M)
Andrew Alberts (1.25M)

for
(D) Jack Johnson (4.3M)
(G) Bobrovsky (1.75M)


Johnson is a LH D... of which we have like 7 already. Not sure his experience playing on the other side.

Presumably Luongo wouldn't waive his NTC for Columbus, that is kind of a worst case scenario that you threaten him with (either agree to XX team or we waive you and you end up in Columbus). If we made a deal with them it would have to be Schneider.

Wisniewksi is their only RH D that would be able to slot into our top 4 and he is pricey at $5.5 million for what you get.

I think if we wanted to trade with Columbus it would be a secondary deal like sending them Ballard if we got a top 4 D to open up the spot for Garrison on our 3rd pairing. Lots of gritty forwards on Columbus that would be handy for us... they also have some decent centres.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:10 AM

I think Myers will be traded this year at the deadline, but it won't be for Luongo because they already have Miller


Myers would look good in a Nucks Jersey tho
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:14 AM

I think Myers will be traded this year at the deadline, but it won't be for Luongo because they already have Miller


Myers would look good in a Nucks Jersey tho

If Gillis can somehow get Myers without giving up Luongo or Edler I would build a golden shrine out of MG. I think we could get Myers' career back on track after his poor start to the season.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:03 AM

I'm starting to see Petrovic as a centrepiece in a deal with Florida, and less of a throw in. He's a big 6'4 RH defenseman, with a mean streak. He's just in his first year pro now, and has looked tremendous with the SA Rampage, where he earned himself a call up earlier this season, but did not see any game time.

If Talon doesn't want to trade any of his top prospects (ie Huberdeau, Gudbranson, Bjugstad), then would he consider a package of his very good secondary prospects?

I'm thinking:

FLA
Luongo

VAN
Petrovic
One of Trochek/Shore/Howden
2013 2nd rounder

This wouldn't give us immediate help, but gives us a number of options for next season with a declining cap.


Yeah thats my train of thought aswell.

None of the A prospects are going, so might aswell stock up on some nice B prospects.

I like Petrovic, although aside from that none of the others really jump out at me.

I would want a 1st in this deal if possible. Although at this point (with the picking looking more and more like a high pick) it will likely won't be something FLA would be on board for.

I agree though, if the 1st is a no go (Which is likely) Then Petrovic + 2nd should be the starting point.

Luo, Franson, Weise to Winnipeg
Bogosian, Frattin to Vancouver
Pavelec to Toronto.


I think it is safe to say Winnipeg loses this deal.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:54 AM

Seems like a waste to me, unless we package one of our existing top-5 defencemen and get a forward in return as well.

For example, Luongo and Garrison for Carlson and Johansen.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Booth
Raymond - Johansen - Schroeder
Hansen - Lapierre - Kassian

Edler - Carlson
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider

Obviously I'm not saying we ever do this - we firstly shouldn't trade our better goalie right now, Carlson is far from a great top pairing defenceman and we would have no backup goalie (Lack is nowhere near ready), but just using this as an example.

If we do trade a goalie, we might as well mix up our defence while we get a good forward and package a D-man.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:04 AM

Seems like a waste to me, unless we package one of our existing top-5 defencemen and get a forward in return as well.

For example, Luongo and Garrison for Carlson and Johansen.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Booth
Raymond - Johansen - Schroeder
Hansen - Lapierre - Kassian

Edler - Carlson
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider

Obviously I'm not saying we ever do this - we firstly shouldn't trade our better goalie right now, Carlson is far from a great top pairing defenceman and we would have no backup goalie (Lack is nowhere near ready), but just using this as an example.

If we do trade a goalie, we might as well mix up our defence while we get a good forward and package a D-man.


Garrison has a NTC.

one good year and he has a NTC and a fat contract.


hamhuis
Garrison
Bieksa

all have NTCs

Edler's kicks in next year.


way to go Gillis
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:10 AM

People. STOP TRYING TO TRADE GARRISON! Look at Hamhuis, how long did it take for him to adjust to our system? 30 games? Patience is strongly lacking here
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:51 AM

I think it is safe to say Winnipeg loses this deal.


Toronto loses that deal.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:26 PM

Toronto loses that deal.


Not sure about that.

VAN trades: Luongo + Weise
VAN gets: Bogosian + Frattin

WPG trades: Bogosian + Pavelec
WPG gets: Luongo + Franson + Weise

TOR trades: Frattin + Franson
TOR gets: Pavelec

Canucks win, Jets Lose, and Toronto also gets a nice offer.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:12 PM

Unlikely (0%) but an Edler for Bogosian swap would be fair.


I would be OK with that. Edler's been terrible defensively since the playoffs started last year. But I'd sure feel bad moving him after he took a discount to stay with the Canucks.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:22 PM

Just throwing this out there....Mike Weaver.

If Florida is out of the playoff race he's a realistic option. There's some familiarity with Garrison and Florida fans say he and Garrison were an effective shut-down pair. He's right-handed, and despite being small he doesn't play small. At the very least it's much needed right-handed depth.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:02 AM

Dan Boyle and Brent Burns are both RH.... Jusss sayinn
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:48 AM

Just throwing this out there....Mike Weaver.

If Florida is out of the playoff race he's a realistic option. There's some familiarity with Garrison and Florida fans say he and Garrison were an effective shut-down pair. He's right-handed, and despite being small he doesn't play small. At the very least it's much needed right-handed depth.


I loved Weaver when he played here.

If he wasn't signed to another year, I would be OK with swapping him for Barker and a very late pick or something as depth or adding him to a trade for Bjugstad and Matthias.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:14 AM

People. STOP TRYING TO TRADE GARRISON! Look at Hamhuis, how long did it take for him to adjust to our system? 30 games? Patience is strongly lacking here


No kidding. He has the tools to be very good. People complain about him being on the bottom pairing but the Canucks don't really have a 'top' pairing. They have 3 solid pairings that can go out and play against anyone.

But I do think Ballard unfortunately becomes movable. Hard to say if it happens now or off season.
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