TmanVan Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I don't know about that neccisarily. Nilsson is a very good prospect and Poulin has already looked great. Either has a chance at the starting job really. But there is likely 0 chance they trade Tavares honestly. We are talking about a guy who will be a top 5 player in this league (possibly top 3) for a long, long time. If we wanted any serious shot at him, my guess is that they would want Kesler, Edler and probably+ or else Kesler, Luongo+ and for us to take on Dipietro. Tavares is one of the most valuable players in the league, especially to the Islanders who are building there entire franchise around him both on and off the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I still think Nino has a heigher ceiling than Brock Nelson, and would likely be easier to obtain with the whole public " I don't want to be here" thing. I would rather see Niederreiter, Hamonic, 2nd, Nabokov for Lou and ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckfan85 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Luongo Ballard, 2014 first Carlson, Brower, Neuvirth, 2013 second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieksa Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I sort of wish we made a trade with the leafs for franson. He's looking a lot more like when he was a predator. 9 pts and top ten +\-. Would have been a perfect RHD for elder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I think that the terrible start has pushed Tallon even more in the direction of patience - he doesn't see his current roster as a realistic contender, and he's not going to get hasty and compromise their future, when it's much brighter than the present, and the team hasn't been healthy or performing - I think it's even harder to part with assets when they are in the middle of a setback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Gillis has two bullets to fire, Lou and Ballard. How much of the blue line experimentation has to do with exploring options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I don't know about that neccisarily. Nilsson is a very good prospect and Poulin has already looked great. Either has a chance at the starting job really. But there is likely 0 chance they trade Tavares honestly. We are talking about a guy who will be a top 5 player in this league (possibly top 3) for a long, long time. If we wanted any serious shot at him, my guess is that they would want Kesler, Edler and probably+ or else Kesler, Luongo+ and for us to take on Dipietro. Tavares is one of the most valuable players in the league, especially to the Islanders who are building there entire franchise around him both on and off the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I agree. Tallon is enough of a hockey man to realize he is a few years away from serious contention. As long as his fan base can handle another lost season he should hang on to what he has. This might not be an accurate assessment and he might be forced into a deal. I feel T-Bay is a likely partner as their roster is more ready to challenge. Their core is getting older. The Capitals are an org that might make an irrational move as the clock tics on their GM's tenure. Does a Lou deal turn that club around? Whatever the problem there it goes beyond their goal tending. I haven't written off SJ either as they sink in the standings. Their core group is aging as well. Could better goal tending pull their season out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 NYI Kesler Schneider 1st VAN Tavares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 You make some of Milbury's moves look moderate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 You make some of Milbury's moves look moderate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 although i would much rather trade lulongo, i would actually do that move haha. i would only trade schneids for another future young superstar, if not then luongo is the one gone. we gotta get rid of a goalie anyways so kesler and a 1st for tavares? sure i'll take it. just imagine if we had tavares 2 weeks ago when kesler was out. i love kes but tavares will be a top 5 player in the league for the majority of his career..... kudos ch101, you finally got me but it will never happen i would do it islanders would probably not kesler would probably not accept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I don't think so. They've only scored 10 goals in their last 8 games - doubt Luo could help them there - their goaltending has actually been pretty good. I don't think they have the depth or character to sustain the start they had. I think they should face the music - they are prospect poor, lack depth, and their core is, well, if I were them, Joe would be on the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I sort of wish we made a trade with the leafs for franson. He's looking a lot more like when he was a predator. 9 pts and top ten +\-. Would have been a perfect RHD for elder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 That's where I see serious fault in the reasoning. It's essentially a Schneider giveaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Just curious: who wins that trade in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 They can move Joe as long as it isn't to Vancouver! IMHO that is why the Canucks are at a crossroads. I do not want them to end up like SJ, aging with little upside. The Lou and Ballard trades will determine the next 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yeah. I've watched quite a few Leaf games recently and he's been their most consistent players. Very calm and steady, he's a lot like Tanev but with a bit more offensive upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Ok - I have the day off, so I'll waste 5 minutes responding. I was curious what the hell you meant by trading a river, but now that you've editted it, the idea that you were giving away a river may have been more appropriate. I'm not surprised that you think Tavares is worth a top notch NHL starter (oh that's right, in your opinion Schneider has been propped up by Luo from the bench), a Selke winner and a 1st round pick. Tavares has scored .85 ppg in his young career. - and he was the NHL's first star last week - that ought to be enough to convince a team to sell the farm (or a river) for him. But he's also a player who gets the highest percentage of offensive zone starts on his team, all the favourable matchups they can manage, gets 23 minutes a game, gets 70% of their powerplay time, does not kill a whiff of penalties, doesn't block a shot, does not hit anything - a prototypical one way forward. With either Hank or Tavares on the second line, those dynamics change considerably, as do their numbers. As good as Tavares is, suggesting that he is worth Kesler, Schneider and a first is an insane over-valuation, or a ridiculous undervaluation of the Canucks (judging by your reductive comments about Schneider and Kesler, I'll take it that the latter is the case). For that price, I want a perenial, hands down Norris no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 cmon oldnews, i think your grossly undervaluing JT here. he should be the equivelant of a norris winner in a couple years. We're talking about a guy that has a potential ceiling of best player in the league when he reaches his prime. Developed under us, he may actually reach it. obviously that package would be hard to swallow (no homo lol) but imo getting a 22yr old john tavares would be a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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