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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

Trade deadline should be an interesting time, does anyone know of any goalie trades during deadlines past?
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

Could totally see Tavares winning the Norris.

Solid argument.


I did not argue he would win a Norris trophy. Try making the entire sentence bold.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

I can't see Lu waiving his NTC to go to NYI.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

Gillis has two bullets to fire, Lou and Ballard. How much of the blue line experimentation has to do with exploring options?


Three bullets; we most certainly have expendable depth on LW (assuming in and amongst trades we get a RW) where we routinely employ 1-2 LW on their off wing EVERY game.

Most people likely would, but I wouldn't give that proposal the reality edge - and what we wind up with is a LW prospect and the need to move another blueliner (which you might have to include to get that return).


Surprised to see you also asking for Niederreiter and a center who is already a 50 point range nhl player (as well as Nabokov). That would be a significant return, but surprised you see that as realistic. Personally I think Nelson is better suited to our needs (in terms of physicality/3rd line C role, and contract/ELC cap hit), but Nielsen would do, if the Isles were willing.


A near perfect trade for us; Get Brad Boyes as the veteran rental with Nino and a first! Boyes is a legitimate sniper, physically competive and playing to keep his career; an upgrade on Higgins talent wise and a natural RW. If they'll include Nabakov, great!

He's playing great for them, but its not like they're planning a cup parade & if he's in their long term plans they can re-sign him this summer!

Better trade; Nino, Boyes and Harmonic for Ballard and Lou... Well, there are lots of hopeful suggestions here! :bigblush:

edit: And wait till the deadline; we would have a slew of wingers from which to score any centre or D at the right price...

Edited by Canuck Surfer, 21 February 2013 - 05:14 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:16 PM

Just curious: who wins that trade in your opinion?

Not the Canucks !!! geesh
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:17 PM

Nilsson or Poulin MIGHT have a chance at a back up roll. Saying they deserve a shot at being a starter is crazy. Have we learned nothing from watching Washington or Columbus this year? These guys need to be groomed into a number 1 spot. How would you feel if we appointed Eddie Lack our starter last season, or Cory Schneider 4-5 years ago?


I'm not saying they are going to be starters right away, I'm saying they have nice potential, and like the rest of there organization. Are still developing.

Moving away important pieces for assets that are "win now" assets, when the team isn't anywhere close to "win now" mode makes little sense from there POV.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:22 PM

Most people likely would, but I wouldn't give that proposal the reality edge - and what we wind up with is a LW prospect and the need to move another blueliner (which you might have to include to get that return).


Surprised to see you also asking for Niederreiter and a center who is already a 50 point range nhl player (as well as Nabokov). That would be a significant return, but surprised you see that as realistic. Personally I think Nelson is better suited to our needs (in terms of physicality/3rd line C role, and contract/ELC cap hit), but Nielsen would do, if the Isles were willing.


Nielsen is good but not that good, he is basically just as good as Higgins, just that Nielsen is a center and that he is a more defensive specalist. No doubt more valuable than Higgins, but not going to return the moon. He is a quality 2nd liner and a great 2nd/3rd liner (On deeper teams like ours) IMO.

But your right, having Nino in makes it bad for them. Maybe Nielsen + B prospect would be more realistic. Although really NYI can't afford Lu anyways, so unless we take Dipietro back, this speculation won't take us anywhere.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:28 PM

I'd trade a diver for a superstar no problem.

NYI
Kesler
Schneider
1st

VAN
Tavares


I still doubt they would do it personally.

Although I would really look long and hard at it too.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:36 PM

I was curious what the hell you meant by trading a river, but now that you've editted it, the idea that you were giving away a river may have been more appropriate.


:lol:

Nice, gave me a good laugh.

Could totally see Tavares winning the Norris.

Solid argument.


I think he ment worth the equivalent of a Norris winner.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:37 PM

lets just boycot this thread until something happens, or the trade deadline or the free agency start...
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:56 PM

lets just boycot this thread until something happens, or the trade deadline or the free agency start...

Ok, you start.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:19 PM

I think he ment worth the equivalent of a Norris winner.


I don't think theminister took it in a literal way.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:39 PM

A near perfect trade for us; Get Brad Boyes as the veteran rental with Nino and a first! Boyes is a legitimate sniper, physically competive and playing to keep his career; an upgrade on Higgins talent wise and a natural RW. If they'll include Nabakov, great!

He's playing great for them, but its not like they're planning a cup parade & if he's in their long term plans they can re-sign him this summer!

Better trade; Nino, Boyes and Harmonic for Ballard and Lou... Well, there are lots of hopeful suggestions here! :bigblush:

edit: And wait till the deadline; we would have a slew of wingers from which to score any centre or D at the right price...


Can't agree with you on this one CanuckSurfer. I don't see Boyes as ideal at all - it's been five years since he could be considered a 'sniper', he's not the physical player you suggest imo, when he is moved to center he's very weak in the faceoff circle, and his value was fairly evident in the UFA market when he was picked up as a budget depth forward. As a rental, he's even less worthwhile.
I don't see any point in moving sideways at best with Boyes, and I don't see him anywhere near as good as Higgins, let alone an upgrade.
Any deal that brings a b roster winger and not a center isn't "near perfect"imo, and I don't think it's as easy as you suggest to offer some spare wingers and hope to land a quality center at the deadline - centers are in far greater demand and will probably require overpayments.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

I respect that worry regarding Boyes. He was a bargain pick up for the Islanders. (I called for us to look at him off season)

But he's not the meat in the deal, just the gravy > a depth journeyman right wing who potentially could play top 6 where match ups dictate someone bigger than Burrows, or more experienced than Kassian. The meat and real value is in Niederreiter and the 1st.

To me he is a RW version of Higgins. A perfect pick up if the value is elsewhere.

FTR, I don't see him as our centre solution, just depth RW. If we still need a centre (a valid question), we've loaded up wingers on both sides for a subsequent trade.

BUT; he also has a 43 goal season (more than any Canuck since the Mogilny/ Bure era), and in a different year over 70 points; no fluke! Not to mention 12 points in 16 games this year. He's not playing badly at all!

Boyes > Higgins!

edit: here we are game time in Dallas > Kass is in the doghouse for turnovers so AV is stuck bringing Weise up to play with Kesler and Higgins. WEISE! Nah, no need for a depth RW at all!

Oii! :picard:

Can't agree with you on this one CanuckSurfer. I don't see Boyes as ideal at all - it's been five years since he could be considered a 'sniper', he's not the physical player you suggest imo, when he is moved to center he's very weak in the faceoff circle, and his value was fairly evident in the UFA market when he was picked up as a budget depth forward. As a rental, he's even less worthwhile.
I don't see any point in moving sideways at best with Boyes, and I don't see him anywhere near as good as Higgins, let alone an upgrade.
Any deal that brings a b roster winger and not a center isn't "near perfect"imo, and I don't think it's as easy as you suggest to offer some spare wingers and hope to land a quality center at the deadline - centers are in far greater demand and will probably require overpayments.


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 21 February 2013 - 07:53 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:02 PM

You call that the near perfect trade, respect the doubt, and then want to facepalm someone else? OK CS.
Apparently you've forgotten Hansen already (facepalm that) - and the idea that Kassian is in a doghouse is pretty premature e.
Not against the idea of an additional RW (after a center) - but if it's Boyes... not interested (he was a sniper nearly a decade ago - that's great), but wasting value on a b rental (which is what he is now) - extra disinterest. And I have to wonder if you're sure you're talking about Boyes? He's about a steak bigger than Burrrows, and nowhere near as physical (Burrows threw 84 and 87 hits the past few seasons - Boyes threw 29 in 65 games, 11 in 22). He's nowhere near the boards/cycling nor the two way player that Burrows is, and before suggesting that he's an upgrade on Higgins, ask yourself how much interest there would be in Higgins as a UFA - would he have to settle for a million dollars on one of the worst teams in the NHL? (At least he could pad his stats with truckloads of ice time, playing top six minutes).
Anyway, if we're dealing with NYI, Okposo is more interesting.
But a center is a far greater priority - Boyes being the perfect roster addition is sure outta left field.

Edited by oldnews, 21 February 2013 - 08:30 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:15 PM

Yeah Okposo is a lot more exciting, but the value changes, no more Nino and a first as the body of the deal?

Because Islanders not giving up on two young RW's in one deal,one young guy max! And Okposo is not in a league as the signature acquisition compare to Nino; so I say Boyes as the toss in structures better for both teams.

Lose one RW and suddenly Weise is playing top 6. Lose a centre > Call up Ebbett. Not great, but not as bad as Weise.

Edited by Canuck Surfer, 21 February 2013 - 08:17 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:26 PM

Hey ON; you are right.

Face palm was un called for. My apologies!

And perfect trade; also correct. Does not solve all, so not perfect. Still a smart trade which still leaves us with asset's to deal with other issues.

You call that the near perfect trade, respect the doubt, and then want to facepalm someone else? OK CS.
Apparently you've forgotten Hansen already (facepalm that) - and the idea that Kassian is in a doghouse is pretty premature e.
Not against the idea of an additional RW (after a center) - but if it's Boyes... not interested (he was a sniper nearly a decade ago - that's great), but wasting value on a b rental (which is what he is now) - extra disinterest.
If we're dealing with NYI, Okposo is much more interesting.
But a center is a far greater priority.


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 21 February 2013 - 08:29 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:31 PM

ok. peace.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:51 PM

Reimer and now Anderson,I wonder how honest teams are going to be this year when they realize they need a goalie after one goes down!

I cant see the Isles pulling the trigger this year,maybe next year after the move to Brooklyn Zoo.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:12 PM

I don't think theminister took it in a literal way.


Nor do I.

I respect that worry regarding Boyes. He was a bargain pick up for the Islanders. (I called for us to look at him off season)

But he's not the meat in the deal, just the gravy > a depth journeyman right wing who potentially could play top 6 where match ups dictate someone bigger than Burrows, or more experienced than Kassian. The meat and real value is in Niederreiter and the 1st.

To me he is a RW version of Higgins. A perfect pick up if the value is elsewhere.

FTR, I don't see him as our centre solution, just depth RW. If we still need a centre (a valid question), we've loaded up wingers on both sides for a subsequent trade.

BUT; he also has a 43 goal season (more than any Canuck since the Mogilny/ Bure era), and in a different year over 70 points; no fluke! Not to mention 12 points in 16 games this year. He's not playing badly at all!

Boyes > Higgins!


I disagree on this one.

Higgins > Boyes.

Higgins is a better defensively and a better skater, Boyes just isn't what he used to be, he's really not very good anymore.

Just check this out: http://hfboards.hock...d.php?t=1353691
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:49 PM

Reimer and now Anderson,I wonder how honest teams are going to be this year when they realize they need a goalie after one goes down!

I cant see the Isles pulling the trigger this year,maybe next year after the move to Brooklyn Zoo.


Scrivens seems to be doing pretty well for T.O. and i really don't consider them serious trading partners anymore.. i don't think their seriously interested without a steal of a deal.. Ottawa has a couple very talented young netminders in the system they would have zero interest. I still believe a Luongo deal is going to be very hard to accomplish despite all the "interest" you hear from MG.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:06 PM

Even with injuries i don't see a trade happening we would need a back up goalie coming back in the trade and would rather see something else come back in a trade like a prospect or roster player and wait til next year to use Lack as back up
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:10 PM

Even with injuries i don't see a trade happening we would need a back up goalie coming back in the trade and would rather see something else come back in a trade like a prospect or roster player and wait til next year to use Lack as back up

Then who are we left with as our starter if Schneider goes down? Climie? A goalie will almost certainly be coming back in a Luongo trade.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:29 PM

Then who are we left with as our starter if Schneider goes down? Climie? A goalie will almost certainly be coming back in a Luongo trade.


I'd prefer a backup tender in return as well. Not naming teams but a Michael Leighton/Scott Clemmensen type would be ideal.

As for Lack and his development, AHL starter > minimal NHL starts.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:19 AM

I respect that worry regarding Boyes. He was a bargain pick up for the Islanders. (I called for us to look at him off season)

But he's not the meat in the deal, just the gravy > a depth journeyman right wing who potentially could play top 6 where match ups dictate someone bigger than Burrows, or more experienced than Kassian. The meat and real value is in Niederreiter and the 1st.

Just have to say this...YUCK!!! Nino Niederreiter has "Filatov" disappointment all over him. Didn't he also want out, just like Nino does? He has played 64 NHL games has 3 points and is a -30. THAT'S THE MEAT AND POTATOES IN YOUR DEAL?! :picard:. The first isn't going to even be that great. However valuable picks are going to be in this draft, it's not worth it.

That being said, I do believe RW depth is needed, just like you mentioned. There are better ways of getting said depth though. I would personally like to get Teddy Purcell from Tampa. That one would take one of our goalies for sure! Any better ideas for RW depth?
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 12:51 AM

Roberto isn't going anywhere. He has an NTC and won't waive it. End of thread... or rename thread to Schneider trade thread.

It's best for the team. Shcneidner will get a better return than luongo will. We need to win the cup this year. Luongo is the better goalie right now and w.e we can get in return for Schneider will get us over the hump
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:39 AM

Schneider isn't going anywhere, MG has made that clear, Luongo is the one going, we need to win a cup, and it's Schneiders time.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 22 February 2013 - 04:35 PM.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:41 AM

Roberto isn't going anywhere. He has an NTC and won't waive it. End of thread... or rename thread to Schneider trade thread.

It's best for the team. Shcneidner will get a better return than luongo will. We need to win the cup this year. Luongo is the better goalie right now and w.e we can get in return for Schneider will get us over the hump

Well,you're hanging in there but,I would be replacing all trades to include Ryan Kesler.He just dosen't fit on our team.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:16 AM

lu>schneider for a few years still at least
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:11 AM

Almost the end of the week and my prediction of a deal on this road trip is looking sketchy. With almost a third of the season done I thought there would be teams that would solidify their playoff drive with a deal for Lou.

What I notice:
Burrows: For all the adulation Canuck fans heap on the Twins I don't think Burrows gets his just due. He performs at a high level and does not need the Twins to do it. More the other way around IMHO. When Stevie Y added Burrows to Team Canada I was not surprised but many were amazed at how well he performed. His drive for the CUP has not faultered since he first put a Van jersey on. He is the heart & soul of this team!
Schroeder: Impressed every game with his ability to pass the puck. Cannot say he is Van's 3C on a CUP challenging roster but he is definitely NHL capable.
Raymond: He is showing why he scored 25 goals a few years back. You cannot beat speed in the NHL and he has it. Love the way he plays with Schroeder.
Tanev: I watch this kid and still shake my head. Not big enough, just a matter of time before he gets tagged, hasn't happened.

I am happy with Van's back end. They should be able to mature through the season and provide CUP quality defence. GMMG should focus up front.
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