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Posted 24 February 2013 - 04:24 AM

Schneider is certainly easier to move than Luongo. A 26 y/o starter making 4m with an outstanding record and huge potential, vs. a 34 y/o Luongo who is making 6.7m but only has 5.3m on the books for the next 8 years.

Yes, Luongo is playing outstanding, but you can't change the fact that poor teams that are in need of his services can't afford what we're asking in a trade, and can't afford his contract. I think the longer we wait on a Luongo deal the greater decline of value. That being said, I think he is worth more to us than anything we could get back in a Luongo deal. As another poster pointed out, Cannata and Lack coming up will make nice future NHLers, so the term and length of Cory's career becomes less of a concern for this market. 5 years more of Luongo, and who's to say we don't have another Cory in Cannata?

So keep them both for this year, have Schneider start in the playoffs, and see how far that takes us. If we win it all, then it's pretty much guaranteed that one of them will be dealt at the draft, hopefully to a bottom feeder for a high 1st. MG will have more options at the end of the season anyway, and if we do actually get a cup, then the return on either becomes less of a concern.


lol don't think it works that way.. whoever's playing better will start the playoff.. if Schneider have a poor playoff fans will be on his case.. Luongo will definitely want to be out if despite being the better performing goalie Schneider gets the start.. now we have an asset that no team will give anything for other than their cap dump.. so at the end of the day we are screwed?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:26 AM

Why are we trading Schneider now? I don't understand Canuck fans.


I think it's because Luongo's played 6 or 7 good games this year.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:04 AM

Here is the thing, all of a sudden Schneider is now facing more pressure then a Stanley Cup Final everytime he steps on the ice. His ability to be a number 1 is all the media is talking about, and he spouted off all this crap about how much he respected and liked Luongo and how he will miss him. Now Luongo is still here so everytime Cory gets the coin toss in his favor, he is playing not only for the win, but also for his job, how the media thinks of him, how the fans think of him, how the management thinks of him.

Schneider is under all this pressure and he is doing OK. I think this is great news for us Canucks fans. Cory has shown us that although he may struggle under pressure, he acknowledges it and overcomes it. He is exactly the kind of net minder you want going into the playoffs. He is the kind of goaltender that can stand on his head in a game 7. I for one would be very happy to have Schneider as our official starter.

Luongo is known as the king of chokes. Since all this has happened, Lu has learned how to make light of the situation and winning over fans with his personality. All of suden the pressure is off of Luongo, and it shows as he is easily the best goal tender in the NHL when he is on his game and he is being consistent. I believe that Luongo has found ways to cope with the pressure and he has developed mental tools that he previously did not possess. I for one would be very happy to have Luongo as our official starter.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:08 AM

Schneider is certainly easier to move than Luongo. A 26 y/o starter making 4m with an outstanding record and huge potential, vs. a 34 y/o Luongo who is making 6.7m but only has 5.3m on the books for the next 8 years.

Yes, Luongo is playing outstanding, but you can't change the fact that poor teams that are in need of his services can't afford what we're asking in a trade, and can't afford his contract. I think the longer we wait on a Luongo deal the greater decline of value. That being said, I think he is worth more to us than anything we could get back in a Luongo deal. As another poster pointed out, Cannata and Lack coming up will make nice future NHLers, so the term and length of Cory's career becomes less of a concern for this market. 5 years more of Luongo, and who's to say we don't have another Cory in Cannata?

So keep them both for this year, have Schneider start in the playoffs, and see how far that takes us. If we win it all, then it's pretty much guaranteed that one of them will be dealt at the draft, hopefully to a bottom feeder for a high 1st. MG will have more options at the end of the season anyway, and if we do actually get a cup, then the return on either becomes less of a concern.

The touchy feely stuff about Lou is a slice. In his summer of discontent Lou reassessed his game and his persona and experienced a rebirth. He might enjoy his refound favor with Canuck fans but after the first playoff loss that will evaporate as quickly as helium out of a poped ballon.

Don't get me wrong I wish the best for Lou. I also admit that his game has pretty muched eliminated the forward flop and swim. In retrospect this is not enough to jump on the Lou over Schneids bandwagon. My preference still resides with Schneids because of; his standup style, his youth, his peerformance under pressure, his contract length and cost and for what Lou's trade can bring back to the Canucks.

There has never been a debate about Lou's ability during regular season play.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:11 AM

Here is the thing, all of a sudden Schneider is now facing more pressure then a Stanley Cup Final everytime he steps on the ice. His ability to be a number 1 is all the media is talking about, and he spouted off all this crap about how much he respected and liked Luongo and how he will miss him. Now Luongo is still here so everytime Cory gets the coin toss in his favor, he is playing not only for the win, but also for his job, how the media thinks of him, how the fans think of him, how the management thinks of him.

Schneider is under all this pressure and he is doing OK. I think this is great news for us Canucks fans. Cory has shown us that although he may struggle under pressure, he acknowledges it and overcomes it. He is exactly the kind of net minder you want going into the playoffs. He is the kind of goaltender that can stand on his head in a game 7. I for one would be very happy to have Schneider as our official starter.

Luongo is known as the king of chokes. Since all this has happened, Lu has learned how to make light of the situation and winning over fans with his personality. All of suden the pressure is off of Luongo, and it shows as he is easily the best goal tender in the NHL when he is on his game and he is being consistent. I believe that Luongo has found ways to cope with the pressure and he has developed mental tools that he previously did not possess. I for one would be very happy to have Luongo as our official starter.

I think this stretch is Lou's last lesson to CS. CS can learn about another form of pressure. It will stand him in good stead.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:28 PM

Here is the thing, all of a sudden Schneider is now facing more pressure then a Stanley Cup Final everytime he steps on the ice. His ability to be a number 1 is all the media is talking about, and he spouted off all this crap about how much he respected and liked Luongo and how he will miss him. Now Luongo is still here so everytime Cory gets the coin toss in his favor, he is playing not only for the win, but also for his job, how the media thinks of him, how the fans think of him, how the management thinks of him.

Schneider is under all this pressure and he is doing OK. I think this is great news for us Canucks fans. Cory has shown us that although he may struggle under pressure, he acknowledges it and overcomes it. He is exactly the kind of net minder you want going into the playoffs. He is the kind of goaltender that can stand on his head in a game 7. I for one would be very happy to have Schneider as our official starter.

Luongo is known as the king of chokes. Since all this has happened, Lu has learned how to make light of the situation and winning over fans with his personality. All of suden the pressure is off of Luongo, and it shows as he is easily the best goal tender in the NHL when he is on his game and he is being consistent. I believe that Luongo has found ways to cope with the pressure and he has developed mental tools that he previously did not possess. I for one would be very happy to have Luongo as our official starter.


Goaltending chokers don't bring their non-scoring team to a SCF game 7.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:28 PM

With Pierre Gauthier following the Canucks on their road trips (Chicago Player Personal) can we guess that maybe it's a bit more than just checking out the competition? Could Luongo be involved in a deal there like he was rumored to be in back in the summer? Considering after this year due to conference realignment the two teams won't even be in the same conference. What would be an adequate return for you guys? Players that interest me from them are Shaw, Saad, Teravainen, Stalberg.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

The touchy feely stuff about Lou is a slice. In his summer of discontent Lou reassessed his game and his persona and experienced a rebirth. He might enjoy his refound favor with Canuck fans but after the first playoff loss that will evaporate as quickly as helium out of a poped ballon.

Don't get me wrong I wish the best for Lou. I also admit that his game has pretty muched eliminated the forward flop and swim. In retrospect this is not enough to jump on the Lou over Schneids bandwagon. My preference still resides with Schneids because of; his standup style, his youth, his peerformance under pressure, his contract length and cost and for what Lou's trade can bring back to the Canucks.

There has never been a debate about Lou's ability during regular season play.


In performance you mean Schneider's 2.68 GAA and .912 Sv% over Luongo's 1.45 GAA and .941 Sv%?

I understand being humble indeed. But chosing a lesser goaltender who, considering his age and status, SHOULD be competing for his job considering his situation, over a stable goaltender with the NHL's top GAA is assinine at best.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:39 PM

I think it's because Luongo's played 6 or 7 good games this year.


Good games? The guy is tops in the NHL... what else do you want?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

I think this stretch is Lou's last lesson to CS. CS can learn about another form of pressure. It will stand him in good stead.


By last lesson you mean: "You're good kid but you're not taking my job"?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:59 PM

In performance you mean Schneider's 2.68 GAA and .912 Sv% over Luongo's 1.45 GAA and .941 Sv%?

I understand being humble indeed. But chosing a lesser goaltender who, considering his age and status, SHOULD be competing for his job considering his situation, over a stable goaltender with the NHL's top GAA is assinine at best.

I guess you didn't get the memo. Schneider got the job last spring in CUP game #3. Stay up to date, it's a fast moving game. Oh, I guess I meant to say, keep your head up.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:05 PM

I think Luongo is a more exciting goalie to watch and he seems to be playing with a TON of drive right now
CS is also a solid tender and technically he is great

In closing:

We need that excitement and we need to stay true to our goalie..

TRADE CS & KEEP Luo

And always.. BELIEVE{IN}BLUE
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:07 PM

I think Luongo is a more exciting goalie to watch and he seems to be playing with a TON of drive right now
CS is also a solid tender and technically he is great

In closing:

We need that excitement and we need to stay true to our goalie..

TRADE CS & KEEP Luo

And always.. BELIEVE{IN}BLUE


This.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

I guess you didn't get the memo. Schneider got the job last spring in CUP game #3. Stay up to date, it's a fast moving game. Oh, I guess I meant to say, keep your head up.


No he didn't, the media perceived it as such and subsequently, fans bought into it. Schneider is, as of today and 18 games into the season, fighting for a job. Luongo is coasting along posting greater numbers and if it were the reverse, the fans woud be on Luongo's stats like heinas on a corpse, demanding a trade all the whie praising Schneider.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:42 PM

Goaltending chokers don't bring their non-scoring team to a SCF game 7.


Unless they choke in said game.. You'd have to be completely blind to have missed his meltdowns 3yrs in a row in Chicago and in Boston. Not saying I don't have faith in luongo but just about every Canucks fan but you has a question mark in his/her head when it comes to what Lu shows up before each game of the playoffs.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

Unless they choke in said game.. You'd have to be completely blind to have missed his meltdowns 3yrs in a row in Chicago and in Boston. Not saying I don't have faith in luongo but just about every Canucks fan but you has a question mark in his/her head when it comes to what Lu shows up before each game of the playoffs.


Oh I've had my share of question marks:

Why did Burrows bite a finger?
Why does Kesler keep diving?
Why have the Sedins disappeared year after year?
Why was Rome suspended, and that, for a historical length of time?
Why wasn't anyone suspended after breaking Raymond's back?
Why couldn't the Canucks score more?

I did have my share of questions. But regarding Luongo, indeed sometimes he'll crap the bed. He'll also win enough to get you there. Do others have the same desire on this team? Some do yes.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

Here is the thing, all of a sudden Schneider is now facing more pressure then a Stanley Cup Final everytime he steps on the ice. His ability to be a number 1 is all the media is talking about, and he spouted off all this crap about how much he respected and liked Luongo and how he will miss him. Now Luongo is still here so everytime Cory gets the coin toss in his favor, he is playing not only for the win, but also for his job, how the media thinks of him, how the fans think of him, how the management thinks of him.

Schneider is under all this pressure and he is doing OK. I think this is great news for us Canucks fans. Cory has shown us that although he may struggle under pressure, he acknowledges it and overcomes it. He is exactly the kind of net minder you want going into the playoffs. He is the kind of goaltender that can stand on his head in a game 7. I for one would be very happy to have Schneider as our official starter.

Luongo is known as the king of chokes. Since all this has happened, Lu has learned how to make light of the situation and winning over fans with his personality. All of suden the pressure is off of Luongo, and it shows as he is easily the best goal tender in the NHL when he is on his game and he is being consistent. I believe that Luongo has found ways to cope with the pressure and he has developed mental tools that he previously did not possess. I for one would be very happy to have Luongo as our official starter.


The thing is, we are experiencing a Luongo with no pressure on him, nothing to lose. Trade Schneider and we see the old Luongo back, guaranteed.

On the other hand, it's the worst case scenario for Schneids. Annointed the #1 position, he is always having to be looking over hos shoulder and hasn't been allowed to get on a roll. I had thought that the situation could exist, for the best, for the season, but I think MG is causing some serious damage by handling this the way he has.

If the Nucks tank this playoffs, I think we may see wholesales changes to management and coaching in the off season
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

The thing is, we are experiencing a Luongo with no pressure on him, nothing to lose. Trade Schneider and we see the old Luongo back, guaranteed.

On the other hand, it's the worst case scenario for Schneids. Annointed the #1 position, he is always having to be looking over hos shoulder and hasn't been allowed to get on a roll. I had thought that the situation could exist, for the best, for the season, but I think MG is causing some serious damage by handling this the way he has.

If the Nucks tank this playoffs, I think we may see wholesales changes to management and coaching in the off season


Let's just drop Moneyball and get back to hockey. As for no pressure Luongo and Schneider looking over his back, this is a CDC propaganda scheme repeated ad nauseum. I don't buy it.

Give credit where credit is due. Schneider ought to fight for his job against one of the greatest goaltender to play the game. So far, he's losing the battle in Vancouver. That said, I'm sure some other team in dire need of goaltending could use him.

Florida, Tampa Bay, Columbus, Edmonton and Calgary could use Schneider. Of course, the price would still be steep but to the other team, acquiring Schneider is much easier on their franchise than acquiring Luongo. For Vancouver, the value Luongo brings to the Canucks far outweigh any returns he could garner from a trade, while Schneider's returns could be greater than that of Luongo's.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 24 February 2013 - 02:26 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:31 PM

Oh I've had my share of question marks:

Why did Burrows bite a finger?
Why does Kesler keep diving?
Why have the Sedins disappeared year after year?
Why was Rome suspended, and that, for a historical length of time?
Why wasn't anyone suspended after breaking Raymond's back?
Why couldn't the Canucks score more?

I did have my share of questions. But regarding Luongo, indeed sometimes he'll crap the bed. He'll also win enough to get you there. Do others have the same desire on this team? Some do yes.


None of those things are even close to as detrimental as losing a game in the finals 8-1. Fact is our record of coming back from his meltdowns is 1-3.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

The touchy feely stuff about Lou is a slice. In his summer of discontent Lou reassessed his game and his persona and experienced a rebirth. He might enjoy his refound favor with Canuck fans but after the first playoff loss that will evaporate as quickly as helium out of a poped ballon.

Don't get me wrong I wish the best for Lou. I also admit that his game has pretty muched eliminated the forward flop and swim. In retrospect this is not enough to jump on the Lou over Schneids bandwagon. My preference still resides with Schneids because of; his standup style, his youth, his peerformance under pressure, his contract length and cost and for what Lou's trade can bring back to the Canucks.

There has never been a debate about Lou's ability during regular season play.


That's twice now my post has been misinterpreted. Nothing of what I wrote should be interpreted as an emotional response, I've been a Schneider supporter the entire time. Rather, my post was speaking about the economic concept of declining returns, which is the case we have with Luongo right now. In this respect, I believe Luongo's value to this team is far greater than what any other team is willing to pay for him in a trade. Because of that, I believe Schneider becomes the easier and more likely candidate to be moved. An emotional response from me would say just the opposite, that we should trade Luongo and keep Schneider.

At this point the best thing for the team is to keep both goaltenders until the season is over. There is nothing we can acquire in an immediate trade of either goalie that would boost our team. I believe it will be Schneider starting in the playoffs, and we will ride him as far as it takes us. The trade, I see happening at the draft, and whichever goaltender does get moved it will hopefully be for a high pick.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 04:12 PM

That's twice now my post has been misinterpreted. Nothing of what I wrote should be interpreted as an emotional response, I've been a Schneider supporter the entire time. Rather, my post was speaking about the economic concept of declining returns, which is the case we have with Luongo right now. In this respect, I believe Luongo's value to this team is far greater than what any other team is willing to pay for him in a trade. Because of that, I believe Schneider becomes the easier and more likely candidate to be moved. An emotional response from me would say just the opposite, that we should trade Luongo and keep Schneider.

At this point the best thing for the team is to keep both goaltenders until the season is over. There is nothing we can acquire in an immediate trade of either goalie that would boost our team. I believe it will be Schneider starting in the playoffs, and we will ride him as far as it takes us. The trade, I see happening at the draft, and whichever goaltender does get moved it will hopefully be for a high pick.


No worries. CDC is all about misinterpretation.

Whoever gets 1st pick get Schneider in return for that pick?

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 24 February 2013 - 04:15 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:22 PM

This.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

I think MG is going to be making some calls after this game...
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:47 PM

I think MG is going to be making some calls after this game...


Yeah but...Luongo's worth just dropped - even if he can't be blamed for all 8 goals - it's still a reflection on him...so will MG be pushing Schneider then?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 05:54 PM

There you go. Back to Let's trade Luongo. He's a flop. This is like a relationship where all numerous good things come to an end when one bad event occurs. Back to one.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:01 PM

Yeah but...Luongo's worth just dropped - even if he can't be blamed for all 8 goals - it's still a reflection on him...so will MG be pushing Schneider then?


I don't think his worth has dropped due to one bad game. Hes still a solid goaltender. I think this is more of a wake up call saying some changes need to be made, and in my own opinion Luongo is the one to be moved. I mean, he did ask for a trade right? It just makes sense to me.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:02 PM

You can bet after this game that MG will be asking for a right sided dman. We need one gangbusters!
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:09 PM

I don't think his worth has dropped due to one bad game. Hes still a solid goaltender. I think this is more of a wake up call saying some changes need to be made, and in my own opinion Luongo is the one to be moved. I mean, he did ask for a trade right? It just makes sense to me.


No - he didn't ask for a trade...he said he'd wave his no trade clause if he was asked to for the betterment of the team.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

You can bet after this game that MG will be asking for a right sided dman. We need one gangbusters!

.....I'd hardly think we only need to replace only 1 player after this performance or lack thereof..
And I wasn't talking any goalie trade either.

Edited by fagin, 24 February 2013 - 06:12 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:11 PM

Buyout most likely at this rate..MG needs to trade Lu SOON.
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