Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Well there is a hint of sarcasm in my post also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 That's fine. I doubt they'll trade Larsson either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'm not sure I understand this point. Today, with Green out with injury, they dressed Carlson, Kundratek and Oleksy at RD. Carlson is the only one of the three that would make a major impact in our line-up and they played him almost 30 minutes today. Green makes Salo look like Doug Harvey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 You're saying they shouldn't play Carlson 30 min a game because he's the only one you want in a Luongo deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think Gillis feels the heat from the fans here in Vancouver and can't afford to make another bad trade like all of his recent ones. If there was a year we didn't make the playoffs, this would be the year. It's been a funny season from the beginning. Kesler's injuries and Bieksa dealing with his groin issue. I know time is not on this teams side but lets be realistic, they're not going to win this year with the way the team is right now. How good would it be if we get lucky and don't make the playoffs, get lucky and get a top 5 draft pick and trade Luongo for something that will help us out for years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Lou and Ballard, for Ribiero (a rental) and a right D. The big word in front of the balance was "IF" Which meant moving parts not all of them. If Orlov with Ribiero; they chuck in a good draft pick! If they chuck in Carlson with Ribiero; drool, well that was silly anyway, Carlson is too valuable to them... That is where we have to add significant value with Gaunce or Schroeder. Leaves them Backstrom and Johansson who are offensive guys, send them a two way prospect who fill a defensive role over time. Ribiero is a major score this year for any cup crack this year, cap relief next. If Ribiero and Green for Lou and Ballard; look at this way. Green with 38 points in 97 games at $6 mill, filling a puck rushing void we are definitely missing, plus offering a right handed shot is easily > Ballard who has 15 points in 132 games at $4.2! Think about it? That makes us a cup contender instantly, so yeah I consider closing the deal with a prospect. In the real world, that's how deals get done rather than waiting for home runs. Or revert to no Ribiero included, and start looking at Mojo proposals. As much as they need to change their mix, they need a replacement young centre if they lose him; hence Gaunce or Schroeder. We pull ahead two years and some offensive upside in our development. Put something of substance on the table and we finally get a deal done! I guess you missed the update. Green has 38 points in his last 97 games. At over 6 million a season, he would need to get back in 70 point form before there's any interest in overpaying him. And let me get this straight - you're proposing Luo, Ballard, (Schroeder/Gaunce) for Ribiero and Orlov or Johansson or (Green) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I think he's actually the same poster though. Think about it. King of the ES used to post in this thread all the time. Then he suddenly disappears, and CH101 starts posting in here a bunch right around the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Drop out of playoffs, win 1st overall, draft Seth Jones. Luongo Schroeder Matthias 2nd Clemmensen Sedin Sedin Burrows Booth Kesler Kassian Raymond Matthias Hansen Higgins Lapierre Vestito Hamhuis Bieksa Edler Jones Garrison Tanev Schneider Lack Bombing the season makes a lot of sense since we won't do it again for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 What you are doing is similar to some who were writing Kassian off when he was not scoring at 90 points a year in Chicago. You have to look at the scouting report and take note of size, speed, puck possesion skills and shooting skills with MoJo. He's not going to score a ton behind Ribiero and Backstrom. Look at the skills, and then project them between Kassian and Booth or Kassian and Jensen with offensive zone starts. No Kassian deal ever gets done looking at Kassians junior stats compared to CoHo; it's about physical skills. In addition 1 point -7 not misrepresentative of his play. So we spend a bunch of value to get this 22 yr old, who is underachieving, and then what - send him to Chicago, where he'd need to improve his game, and in the meantme, go out and spend some more asset value to get a guy that can actually contribute in the ways the Canucks need - two way 3C who can win faceoffs and contribute at both ends. I much prefer the concession you made when you proposed Goc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatWhiteNorth Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yep yep I agree. Would you do Lu + 1st for Bjusgstad + 2nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yeah I can't see NJD in the running. They signed Brodeur to a big contract, and he isn't going to take a backseat to Luongo. Also and more importantly the money issue, they aren't the richest team, I can't see them taking on Luongo's contract especially when they still need to get Clarkson under contract which is likely priority #1 for them now that they got Zajac under contract. They have some prospects they believe in, Scott Wedgewood being the main one, aswell as Keith Kinkaid and Maxime Clermont. They are very much a team in transition anyways, they are transitioning from the older guys (Broduer, Elias, Zubrus, Salvador, Tallender, exc.) to younger talent with Matteau, Henrique, Larsson, Josefson, Loktionov exc. So really they aren't in win now mode and going all in for major success shouldn't be the main focus of theirs. They are a competitive team anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 God. You're serious, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yeah I can't see NJD in the running. They signed Brodeur to a big contract, and he isn't going to take a backseat to Luongo. Also and more importantly the money issue, they aren't the richest team, I can't see them taking on Luongo's contract especially when they still need to get Clarkson under contract which is likely priority #1 for them now that they got Zajac under contract. They have some prospects they believe in, Scott Wedgewood being the main one, aswell as Keith Kinkaid and Maxime Clermont. They are very much a team in transition anyways, they are transitioning from the older guys (Broduer, Elias, Zubrus, Salvador, Tallender, exc.) to younger talent with Matteau, Henrique, Larsson, exc. So really they aren't in win now mode and going all in shouldn't be a priority of theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 A little amendment to make things work for the Devils and Caps... Luongo Larsson Brodeur Orlov The win-now Caps could use a tandem/mentor in Brodeur, but not committed to a long term contract. The Devils don't need to goalie shop for another half decade, and get Orlov in return for Brodeur taking the sting out of moving Larsson - injured player for injured player, both addressing needs going forward. Canucks get that r side guy we all want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatWhiteNorth Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Drop out of playoffs, win 1st overall, draft Seth Jones. Luongo Schroeder Matthias 2nd Clemmensen Sedin Sedin Burrows Booth Kesler Kassian Raymond Matthias Hansen Higgins Lapierre Vestito Hamhuis Bieksa Edler Jones Garrison Tanev Schneider Lack Bombing the season makes a lot of sense since we won't do it again for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Obviously Jones is the perfect player. and its uber unrealistic to get him. If a 1st round exit or no appearancer at all is the difference between 20th overall, and 5th overall though, I donno I'd have osmethings to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Drop out of playoffs, win 1st overall, draft Seth Jones. Luongo Schroeder Matthias 2nd Clemmensen Sedin Sedin Burrows Booth Kesler Kassian Raymond Matthias Hansen Higgins Lapierre Vestito Hamhuis Bieksa Edler Jones Garrison Tanev Schneider Lack Bombing the season makes a lot of sense since we won't do it again for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Bombing the season hmm it's not like this hasn't worked out well before. Ever heard of what the Senators did? Allegedly lost games on purpose to draft Daigle, and people found out and the draft lottery was made. Just because you're last in the league doesn't mean you get first overall dumbass. Plus we're first in our division so why would we do that? Just because we're bad right now doesn't mean we're bad overall. Plus that trade you proposed is terrible. Why would we want clemmensen and matthias? Considering that you don't include him on your roster means that he would be sent down, so the main player we get is matthias??? Trade LUONGO and schoeder for that plug? I just hope you're not serious. Act like you know something about hockey and come back to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 It's a lottery this year. Every team out of the playoffs have a chance to get the first overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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