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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

Schneider would fit perfectly in Washington...

I'd be ok with that ...if you go with him :)
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:01 AM

To those responding to comments about trading Schneider:

Do you have Gillis on speed dial?

Just asking cause I see a lot of responses that make me feel like a few of you are connected to him or him.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:15 AM

To those responding to comments about trading Schneider:

Do you have Gillis on speed dial?

Just asking cause I see a lot of responses that make me feel like a few of you are connected to him or him.


You dont need speed dial to know the obvious...make sense?
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:15 AM

So does anybody think it's odd the Panthers have 2 healthy goalies, yet they call up their rookie goalie (Markstrom) - then send him back down only 2 games later? This is a team that's been linked to Luongo for almost a year now, guys like Dreger have stated they are the frontrunners for him.

Talons comments when Markstrom was recalled: Link

“I’m not happy. It’s a critical part of the season and every game’s important,” Tallon said. “We need to cut our goals against down. It’s time. He’s played great down there and it’s time to see what he can do. I’m not going to sit still and allow this to continue.
“We need him to come up and play like he’s capable of playing and I’m very confident that he can do that. … The competition will maybe force some guys to pick up their games a little bit.”


2 games - 2 loses and 6 goals against then Markstroms sent back down. Does anyone else get the feeling the next step Tallon will take is to acquire Luongo?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

You dont need speed dial to know the obvious...make sense?


So you dont entertain the other aspects of a discussion and get tunnel vision?

To answer you question,I research any thing I dont grasp and come to my own conclusions. Always room for gray,just not as rigid in my thinking.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:38 AM

So does anybody think it's odd the Panthers have 2 healthy goalies, yet they call up their rookie goalie (Markstrom) - then send him back down only 2 games later? This is a team that's been linked to Luongo for almost a year now, guys like Dreger have stated they are the frontrunners for him.

Talons comments when Markstrom was recalled: Link



2 games - 2 loses and 6 goals against then Markstroms sent back down. Does anyone else get the feeling the next step Tallon will take is to acquire Luongo?


I tried to watch one of his games but only caught highlights. I think he shows some promise from what I saw but those knees would worry me a bit.
Seems to obvious to make a trade now,I suspect we get some more of what happened with Nonis and nothing much comes of anything till draft.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:45 AM

I tried to watch one of his games but only caught highlights. I think he shows some promise from what I saw but those knees would worry me a bit.
Seems to obvious to make a trade now,I suspect we get some more of what happened with Nonis and nothing much comes of anything till draft.


I just get that feeling like somethings going to happen. Tallons comments suggest 'immediate' issues - something which appears Markstrom wasn't helping them with as they sent him down. If they were bringing him up to develop him, why send him down after only 2 games? It's a really odd situation.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:43 AM

I just get that feeling like somethings going to happen. Tallons comments suggest 'immediate' issues - something which appears Markstrom wasn't helping them with as they sent him down. If they were bringing him up to develop him, why send him down after only 2 games? It's a really odd situation.


Well it's good to see that someone's still optimistic about a Luongo trade. I'm of the opinion that we're better suited to keep both until this year is over, as anything we trade for from Florida will most certainly be a future asset.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:56 AM

So, thinking of the potential trade places for Luongo - the main 3 being WAS, FLA, and TOR - and I can't see any of these teams trading for Luongo with where they stand now. I mean Toronto could very well see it's first playoff birth since 2 CBAs ago, which makes acquiring Luongo less of a need and more of an option. Florida could be content to tank, as their roster is made almost entirely of young guys getting their first NHL experience, it's hard to believe that they had their eyes on the post season when their in the process of developing so many guys. Washington has been rumoured to be dumping cap - possibly to attract free agents during the summer, and/or to tank this season and take a high first. Philly is off of the table as Bryz has been excellent, so where do you guys get the notion that he'll be moved this season - if at all?
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:03 AM

So, thinking of the potential trade places for Luongo - the main 3 being WAS, FLA, and TOR - and I can't see any of these teams trading for Luongo with where they stand now. I mean Toronto could very well see it's first playoff birth since 2 CBAs ago, which makes acquiring Luongo less of a need and more of an option. Florida could be content to tank, as their roster is made almost entirely of young guys getting their first NHL experience, it's hard to believe that they had their eyes on the post season when their in the process of developing so many guys. Washington has been rumoured to be dumping cap - possibly to attract free agents during the summer, and/or to tank this season and take a high first. Philly is off of the table as Bryz has been excellent, so where do you guys get the notion that he'll be moved this season - if at all?

I started the season convinced that Lou would be traded by last week. With the sortened season my reasoning was that teams would take the last 30 games to solidify their rosters. I'm done like toast. The length of the season in itself is a deterent as left that long teams struggling to make the playoffs won't have time to recover enough points.

All this said and with varying degrees of need I still think the prime partners are still the Laffers, T-Bay, Caps and Panthers. Making the playoffs for all three is a big deal for their fanbase. What a spark that would be for TO to make playoffs. Nonis would be drooling in his Coke cup. It makes no sense as the Laffers are sold out but the ownership has changed and corporate attitudes with it. The Jays and Raptors both had major trtade deals in hopes of playoffs.

Maybe Gillis wants to much but Van has the same pressures for success. If they look like a serious contender missing a piece Gillis might lower his asking price to get a hockey deal that helps him this year.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:13 AM

I have to admit; I checked Washington's standings again before I started this reply! :P

Yip; things swing up and down. Its why GM MG is a bonus, because he does not panic. And what many expected has not transpired, so we could assume the market has not changed?

Well; Washington is better than their results. I fully expect them to make a move in the standings. If they do, and they do it in spite of their goal tending ( a fair guess, I've watched 6 or 7 of their games in all but one it was a let down), I expect them to be in the market.

Toronto? Lets go out on a limb,its actually credible but I still blink suggesting, and say they make the play off's? Will they go with two (fundamentally)rookie goalies considering the pressure to finally get somewhere? Think about it... Kessell played like crap to start and Lupul is injured and they're still making a play? T.O. fans will want a long dance with at least a grope!

:bigblush:

(here's hoping Nonis has a perv, but???)



Florida? Really depends on Markstrom's; but I don't see them going anywhere. So Markstrom gets a good look, and if he flops this is a draft day option...

So I don't discount there will be a market. I think Tampa will certainly be looking as well, so I see Tampa and Washington. But it will be a different market.

I see it as hockey trades for our overstocked pantry in left wingers and left D going with Lou, who himself will be traded for futures. Will someone cough up a right shot superlative D for Lou and Ballard? A big, fast, top 6 RW??

If not, then it will be in summer!





So, thinking of the potential trade places for Luongo - the main 3 being WAS, FLA, and TOR - and I can't see any of these teams trading for Luongo with where they stand now. I mean Toronto could very well see it's first playoff birth since 2 CBAs ago, which makes acquiring Luongo less of a need and more of an option. Florida could be content to tank, as their roster is made almost entirely of young guys getting their first NHL experience, it's hard to believe that they had their eyes on the post season when their in the process of developing so many guys. Washington has been rumoured to be dumping cap - possibly to attract free agents during the summer, and/or to tank this season and take a high first. Philly is off of the table as Bryz has been excellent, so where do you guys get the notion that he'll be moved this season - if at all?


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:28 AM

So. Contrary to CDC believing Boston is fine in net, TSN (not as reputable as CDC when inconvenient but very reputable otherwise, especially concerning Luongo), claims Boston isn't deep in net.

BOS
Kesler
Schneider
1st

VAN
Lucic
Seguin


As brilliant as it would be to score Seguin and Lucic; I kacked myself laughing at this proposal! :lol:

Why do they need a 2knd Selke centre and a 2knd all star goalie to give up their life blood and future? Not only does Kesler reject it...

If I use the language I want to use, I'd get in trouble. So I'll just say this

Why in the name of the Hockey Gods would Kesler waive his NTC to go to Boston????????


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:38 AM

schneider, Cannauton for Carlson, 2013 first, neuvirth.

or

Ballard and 2014 first for Robidas

we need a right shot defenceman
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:17 AM

As brilliant as it would be to score Seguin and Lucic; I kacked myself laughing at this proposal! :lol:

Why do they need a 2knd Selke centre and a 2knd all star goalie to give up their life blood and future? Not only does Kesler reject it...

WHy? Because Lucic isn't going to age like a fine wine. I don't see the Bruins much but he looks bigger and slower.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

It sounds like Stephen Weiss isn't exactly thrilled with his situation in Florida (the panthers aren't thrilled with him either). I could see him as a guy who is a top 6 center who slots into the third center spot. He can also anchor the 2nd unit pp and kill penalties as well. If he could be part of a proposed deal that would great. I doubt he would be the main piece considering his contact is up but having a great veteran who has but up points would be a bonus. Plus his value hasn't exactly increased since the beginning of the season.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:46 AM

It sounds like Stephen Weiss isn't exactly thrilled with his situation in Florida (the panthers aren't thrilled with him either). I could see him as a guy who is a top 6 center who slots into the third center spot. He can also anchor the 2nd unit pp and kill penalties as well. If he could be part of a proposed deal that would great. I doubt he would be the main piece considering his contact is up but having a great veteran who has but up points would be a bonus. Plus his value hasn't exactly increased since the beginning of the season.

But can we get him without trading Luongo?
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:53 AM

It sounds like Stephen Weiss isn't exactly thrilled with his situation in Florida (the panthers aren't thrilled with him either). I could see him as a guy who is a top 6 center who slots into the third center spot. He can also anchor the 2nd unit pp and kill penalties as well. If he could be part of a proposed deal that would great. I doubt he would be the main piece considering his contact is up but having a great veteran who has but up points would be a bonus. Plus his value hasn't exactly increased since the beginning of the season.

I think Toronto signs him as a ufa expectimg him to be a number 1 centre.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:54 AM

But can we get him without trading Luongo?


Before the season probably not but after public berating by his coach you got to think his value has slipped. His 1 goal in 14 games doesn't help Florida trying to really sell this guy either. What do you think it will take? prospect + pick?
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:27 AM

Florida is 5 points out of the lead in their division, and five points from the 8th spot, also a team in their division. Washington is 6 back. These teams are nowhere near about to pack it in, decide to tank, or mail in their seasons. 5 or 6 points can be made up in a 10 game stretch, particularly when they're chasing mediocre hockey teams. Florida is finally getting healthy after missing Versteeg, Gudbranson, Goc, Jovanovski, Upshall...
Three of the Canucks most rumoured trade partners have also given up the most goals in the NHL - I don't see this as the point at which it is assumed the Canucks don't cut a deal this season... Those fanbases all watched playoff games last season... If anything, things have been working out favourably for MG.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

Florida is 5 points out of the lead in their division, and five points from the 8th spot, also a team in their division. Washington is 6 back. These teams are nowhere near about to pack it in, decide to tank, or mail in their seasons. 5 or 6 points can be made up in a 10 game stretch, particularly when they're chasing mediocre hockey teams. Florida is finally getting healthy after missing Versteeg, Gudbranson, Goc, Jovanovski, Upshall...
Three of the Canucks most rumoured trade partners have also given up the most goals in the NHL - I don't see this as the point at which it is assumed the Canucks don't cut a deal this season... Those fanbases all watched playoff games last season... If anything, things have been working out favourably for MG.


Agreed. And those teams struggling, goaltending has been the major issue. Lindback has been mediocre at best, Florida an Caps tandems have looked like AHL keepers and Carlisle is big time sheltering the Leafs poor goaltending.
IMO Gillis needs to make a deal this season instead of waiting for the offseason when there are more goaltending options for teams.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

Yeah well its not that simple.

We were up 3-2 even though Lou, amongst others, turned in bad games in Boston. Realistically, we started the series with Kesler playing on crutches, Samuelsson gone and Manny still out. By game 6, we were also missing Rome, Hamhuis, Raymond, the Twins playing hurt, Salo unable to hold his stick, who am I missing? Some teams are cup teams because they are great teams, and some (lets call them nearly great) need a superstar to step forward, ala Crosby, Roy, Dryden...

Well our team was too broken down to expect the goals you speak of. To my mind, if we were to win, Lou had to steal us a game. Do you reckon I'm holding him to a higher standard hoping that would happen?

In my mind; doing so was fair. He held us ransom for virtually the largest goalie contract in history. On day dot; Luongo was the highest paid player in the world at $10 mill. If there was a guy it was fair to expect to be our superstar, it was Lou!





But Lou was also part of the problem, yeah scoring and other bits dried up as our match ups crumbled with injuries. In game 4 if I recall, after a forward coughed the puck, and Bieksa, then Salo both let Marchand walk around them, he flopped and Marchand scored a heartbreaking dagger. And you could see the bench drop their heads. Lou was a sieve, as much as the team around him, same in game 6 after not having his tires pumped. You could tell he was mentally out of it, and the 4 goals he let in in game 7 gave no one any hope that fighting through it would get anywhere.

The team lost, but as the highest paid player in the world, I would like to think Lou could have stole us a game in Boston...


He stole game 1 and game 5 for us.

We scored a whopping 8 goals in 7 games - that was the issue.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:45 AM

He stole game 1 and game 5 for us.

We scored a whopping 8 goals in 7 games - that was the issue.


He and Burrows stole game 2 for us as well. Lest we forget.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

You missed the point.

With Kess injured, and Samuelsson, Manny and Raymond out > all of our secondary scoring was essentially gone. As were line ups where people played their standard defensive roles. the Twins/Burr are not going to score a lot of goals stuck ,ostly taking defensive draws in our end against Boston's top line. Then double shift against a top defensive line when we did score an offensive zone draw. So if we were not going to score goals, our defense and goalie were going to have to steal games for us.

Worse, if we needed our defence and goal tending to steal games for us, and our best defender Hamhuis was out; Well lets say we were in serious trouble. It did not help missing Rome and having Erhoff and Salo playing hurt. We literally NEEDED Lou to steal one of the last two games.

I guess i hoped he would be a superstar and feel gilted?


He stole game 1 and game 5 for us.

We scored a whopping 8 goals in 7 games - that was the issue.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:00 AM

No, because Kesler, as good as he is; is not what Boston needs. And Schneider, as good as he is is not what Boston needs most.either. So why would they mortgage such important players for this trade.

And funny thing, if we scored Lucic and Seguin but lost Kesler; who would play centre for us? The trade also tears us apart.

Its not a good structure for a trade because the pieces don't make sense.



Lol I heard about Lucic showing up for camp out of shape. Must be getting close now though? He snapped a nice goal, and looked alrite to me when I watched them play Buffalo.

WHy? Because Lucic isn't going to age like a fine wine. I don't see the Bruins much but he looks bigger and slower.


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 26 February 2013 - 11:01 AM.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:03 AM

Florida is 5 points out of the lead in their division, and five points from the 8th spot, also a team in their division. Washington is 6 back. These teams are nowhere near about to pack it in, decide to tank, or mail in their seasons. 5 or 6 points can be made up in a 10 game stretch, particularly when they're chasing mediocre hockey teams. Florida is finally getting healthy after missing Versteeg, Gudbranson, Goc, Jovanovski, Upshall...
Three of the Canucks most rumoured trade partners have also given up the most goals in the NHL - I don't see this as the point at which it is assumed the Canucks don't cut a deal this season... Those fanbases all watched playoff games last season... If anything, things have been working out favourably for MG.

Well, the Leafs fans were watching other teams in the playoffs, but we get your point. You might have been alluding to Tampa or Philly, but the Leafs are funnier.

Back on topic though, even if one options goes away, another comes up in it's place. Tampa was pretty much ruled out after getting Lindback, but then they haven't been great in their own end and could still use some help. The Leafs goaltending looks better than last year but Washington's looks worse. Someone will be in the market, it just depends on what price the market will bear for us to get the return we want.


To those responding to comments about trading Schneider:

Do you have Gillis on speed dial?

Just asking cause I see a lot of responses that make me feel like a few of you are connected to him or him.

Not so much speed dial, but I know I and others follow this stuff (probably way too) closely and while he's said he's willing to make a deal involving anyone if it improves our team, he's also noted he's not fielding any offers for Schneider currently.

You can't trade someone without someone else offering you something. That may change if a team gets desperate enough and offers a significant deal that would give Gillis reason to consider it over a Luongo trade, but at this point it's far less likely.

I just get that feeling like somethings going to happen. Tallons comments suggest 'immediate' issues - something which appears Markstrom wasn't helping them with as they sent him down. If they were bringing him up to develop him, why send him down after only 2 games? It's a really odd situation.

From what I understand, Versteeg and Upshall are nearly healthy again and they needed the roster spot. They were carrying 3 goalies with Markstrom up so one of them had to go.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:44 AM

So you dont entertain the other aspects of a discussion and get tunnel vision?

To answer you question,I research any thing I dont grasp and come to my own conclusions. Always room for gray,just not as rigid in my thinking.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

Before the season probably not but after public berating by his coach you got to think his value has slipped. His 1 goal in 14 games doesn't help Florida trying to really sell this guy either. What do you think it will take? prospect + pick?


So... How would he help the Canucks?
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:55 AM

No, because Kesler, as good as he is; is not what Boston needs. And Schneider, as good as he is is not what Boston needs most.either. So why would they mortgage such important players for this trade.

And funny thing, if we scored Lucic and Seguin but lost Kesler; who would play centre for us? The trade also tears us apart.

Its not a good structure for a trade because the pieces don't make sense.



Lol I heard about Lucic showing up for camp out of shape. Must be getting close now though? He snapped a nice goal, and looked alrite to me when I watched them play Buffalo.


Seguin would be playing center since he's a center...
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:10 PM

I just get that feeling like somethings going to happen. Tallons comments suggest 'immediate' issues - something which appears Markstrom wasn't helping them with as they sent him down. If they were bringing him up to develop him, why send him down after only 2 games? It's a really odd situation.


If your feelings are referring to Florida's situation, you might be right. If your feelings are referring to Vancouver's situation, you might be wrong.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:13 PM

You dont need speed dial to know the obvious...make sense?


The "obvious" has been fabricated by CDC posters. CDC posters reading CDC posts, writing CDC posts for CDC posters to read and write CDC posts for CDC posters to read and write CDC posts.
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