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#1 jono2009

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

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I am not at all worried about Kassians play downward spiral.

I think tonight is going to be a huge chance for him to shine with Kes and Higgy.

It only takes one good play to get the ball rolling again.

Faith in the Kassassian
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:57 AM

M'kay.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:13 AM

Well if Kesler would learn to use his linemates that would sure help. 5 on 5 that 2nd line is useless. Too much north south going on; that's what happens when he tries to carry the line on his back.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:15 AM

Funny how everyone hyped Kassian right away. He's done the same thing at every level he's payed. Been an allstar for the first 3-5 games then petered off to an average player. The hype and excitement of first games gets him rocking and he plays steller, then when that goes away he plays like a regular player. First games with the Canucks last year....."He's an allstar" played like a beast.....then tailed off. First few games with the Wolves this year.... "Allstar"....played amazing then tailed off. First few games with the Canucks this year....yep same story.

It's not a hard pattern to see, hopefully consistency will come with age but at the worst you know for big games and playoffs he'll be a beast. Potential is there but does he have the strenght and stamina to compete every game for a whole season because is pretty apparent that he only really shows up when he's fresh and there is a lot of adrenaline and excitement in his game.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:15 AM

Start the parade.

But seriously, regardless of the line combo's for awhile I can't wait until AV is comfortable with some solid lines eventually. Chemistry is fun to watch. Here's hoping tonight breaks the slump :towel:
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:24 AM

Funny how everyone hyped Kassian right away. He's done the same thing at every level he's payed. Been an allstar for the first 3-5 games then petered off to an average player. The hype and excitement of first games gets him rocking and he plays steller, then when that goes away he plays like a regular player. First games with the Canucks last year....."He's an allstar" played like a beast.....then tailed off. First few games with the Wolves this year.... "Allstar"....played amazing then tailed off. First few games with the Canucks this year....yep same story.

It's not a hard pattern to see, hopefully consistency will come with age but at the worst you know for big games and playoffs he'll be a beast. Potential is there but does he have the strenght and stamina to compete every game for a whole season because is pretty apparent that he only really shows up when he's fresh and there is a lot of adrenaline and excitement in his game.


Yep.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:45 AM

Funny how everyone hyped Kassian right away. He's done the same thing at every level he's payed. Been an allstar for the first 3-5 games then petered off to an average player. The hype and excitement of first games gets him rocking and he plays steller, then when that goes away he plays like a regular player. First games with the Canucks last year....."He's an allstar" played like a beast.....then tailed off. First few games with the Wolves this year.... "Allstar"....played amazing then tailed off. First few games with the Canucks this year....yep same story.

It's not a hard pattern to see, hopefully consistency will come with age but at the worst you know for big games and playoffs he'll be a beast. Potential is there but does he have the strenght and stamina to compete every game for a whole season because is pretty apparent that he only really shows up when he's fresh and there is a lot of adrenaline and excitement in his game.


Pretty much, I think he's definitely taken a big step forward this year, but he's still got quite a lot of work to do to be a star.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:47 AM

I think Kass tries to keep it simple most of the time. I think this line could be great together and maybe get a few games together to gel.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:54 AM

I say he could have had more points he set up some nice plays with no finish from the business end also for Kes to be more effective he needs to be a pass first player.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:05 PM

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One thing that bugs me, and maybe I am wrong, but when their shift is over I don't see Kesler talking to Kassian. Hank is always talking to his wingers about the last shift and Kesler should be the leader of his line. Maybe he doesn't want to rock the boat just getting back, but I would like to see him work with our budding young powerforward.

Edited by TimberWolf, 21 February 2013 - 01:19 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:11 PM

We shall see what happens.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:55 PM

I'm more concerned that he seems to lack an aggressive edge. In Buffalo (according to Mike Peca) one of the knocks was he didn't care about being a team leader in hits and looking for situations to use his size and protecting his line mates. i don't mean just fighting either. He should be valuable even when not scoring. I don't see that willingness to get involved but big guys take longer to develop, we'll see.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

I'm more concerned that he seems to lack an aggressive edge. In Buffalo (according to Mike Peca) one of the knocks was he didn't care about being a team leader in hits and looking for situations to use his size and protecting his line mates. i don't mean just fighting either. He should be valuable even when not scoring. I don't see that willingness to get involved but big guys take longer to develop, we'll see.


Yeah I'm pretty dissapointed at that part, wasn't he a beast in jrs? I've seen maybe one big hit from him this season.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:15 PM

I'm more concerned that he seems to lack an aggressive edge. In Buffalo (according to Mike Peca) one of the knocks was he didn't care about being a team leader in hits and looking for situations to use his size and protecting his line mates. i don't mean just fighting either. He should be valuable even when not scoring. I don't see that willingness to get involved but big guys take longer to develop, we'll see.


While I agree with the overall sentiment that Kassian has a lot of work to do if he wants to reach his potential, I think he goes to the dirty areas all the time. The key for him is remembering where to go.. sometimes he spaces out and trys to maintain a wrong position. He's not intimidated by anybody and you can tell by his body language on the ice in front of the net that he's willing to take a face washing or a cross check to draw a penalty. This kid will be great for us if we utilize him properly and his attitude is to always improve.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:17 PM

Yeah I'm pretty dissapointed at that part, wasn't he a beast in jrs? I've seen maybe one big hit from him this season.


That's why I think it's best for him to start on the 4th and be given that roll early in his career. It will benefit him more in the long run to learn that every shift has to be full effort.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

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Everyone needs to remember this is his first full year in the NHL.

Everytime he steps out for a shift he is probably thinking...

Should I fight?
Should I hit?
Should I make plays?
Should I backcheck?

Ideally he should be able to use his unique combination of size and skill to do all of those things well. But it will take time for him to understand his role on this team and what he brings to the ice every night. That explains why there are so few Lucic's around the league. It is alot of aspects to the game you must deal with at once.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:21 PM

Obviously his production is down he is gettin 4th line time I didn't even see him play in the third period against the hawks.
He will find his place.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:09 PM

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He's still a kid. Lets give him some time to grow and understand the game at this level. He has obviously shown signs of greatness which is very promising for Canuck's fans and brass. We should be patient with him IMO. There are going to be some growing pains along the way, but as long as he puts in the hard work and effort he will progress. This guy can be a real gem for us now, and in the future.

With that being said Kesler has to put his ego aside and start to use his line mates a little more. I`m starting to get sick and tired of him trying to to beat the opposing defense men on his own and losing the puck, or getting a cheap shot off on net. Pass the puck and get open already. He is wasting the play by doing this, It also throws off the momentum of his line mates entering the zone by not using them. They are looking like they are out of position because the dont know what Kesler is thinking. There needs to be more communication I think as well.

AV should partially take the blame here also. How the heck can these players build up chemistry together if he`s always switching the lines around? It seems like he wants his line combos to have instant success in order to keep them together. Sometimes it takes time to develop this chemistry. He should put together some lines for at least 5 or 6 games and see what happens instead of changing them around all the time. Yes I do realize Kes, and Booth just came back, but I hope he keeps the lines consistent for a few games from now on. I personally liked the Booth Kesler Kassian line from last year even though it only lasted a few games. A good mix of size, skill, and speed there. Kassian is a lot better this year than he was last year as well. Why not give it another try?
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

i still think kassian should be with the sedins. burrows is better by himself then kassian is and its nice having a big body with the sedins to protect them and create space.. burrows and kesler on the 2nd line with booth would be decent, altho i doubt booth and kesler ever really gel.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:44 PM

Like other folks have said here..he's young and still figuring out what he is supposed to be.You have to patient.That being said,I did'nt think he had much chemistry with Kesler at all...hopefully,they'll prove me wrong.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:53 PM

I think Kassian is the only player to have EVERY player as his linemates......
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:29 PM

He's young. When I was 22yrs I was as lazy as a sloth. By the end of my 20's I had the best work ethic at my worksite. He's got a lot of hockey ahead of him. He'll find his game. Even at his worst, he's really not that bad.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:49 PM

He's young. When I was 22yrs I was as lazy as a sloth. By the end of my 20's I had the best work ethic at my worksite. He's got a lot of hockey ahead of him. He'll find his game. Even at his worst, he's really not that bad.


This....unless your of the minority that is just a naturally hard worker it takes a long time to fully understand what a true hard days work is. You think your working hard when your young but you really haven't even learned what you have to do to truly work hard. It's a physical thing, years and years of building strength allow the body to compete day after day and it's a mental thing. When your young you think your all that and more but once you get to around 30 you look back on those years and realize you didn't know crap, you didn't really know how to work hard every day all day.

You can see with Kass he's got the skills but doesn't have the strength and stamina yet to compete every game like he can when he's fired up and fresh. Fans won't understand this but hopefully management does cause it's probably another 5 years before he really can do it all year long.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

Guess he blew his chance already, lol. Weise now playing with Higgins and Kesler
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:37 PM

He's progressing alot. each game he gets better. He scored goals in the first few but how did the sedins do?? I cant wait to see him in 3 years when he's 23 24 he will be a 2nd line beast. It takes time to develop a great pf he's still so young if he plays 3rd line mins this season great he will be that much more rounded a player when he matures. I think if he gets 10 mins a game while splitting duty up and down the line up the canucks and kass will be better for it. I loved his quote when he said "You didn't expect me to actually score 48 goals this season did you? Ok good!"
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:19 PM

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:45 PM

A fight, an assist and 1 step from a Gordie. That's more like it.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:28 PM

One thing that bugs me, and maybe I am wrong, but when their shift is over I don't see Kesler talking to Kassian. Hank is always talking to his wingers about the last shift and Kesler should be the leader of his line. Maybe he doesn't want to rock the boat just getting back, but I would like to see him work with our budding young powerforward.


I was thinking about this the other day actually. See them after a shift and Kesler doesn't even acknowledge Kass on the bench, one time it looked like Kass was looking at him like a lost puppy to discuss the last shift etc. I could see Keslers ego and attitude being pretty intimidating and unapproachable for a young player like Kassian. And like you said, the Sedins are really great with their linemates and talking etc. Burrows didn't get to the level he is at by simply going out and playing and then sitting quietly on the bench beside the sedins. Kesler needs to drop the ego and the drama. Too important of a player on this team. As much as I loved the offense etc Bertuzzi brought to the team, Keslers ego and attitude towards the young guys seems to be similar to how Bert apparently was with Kesler and other young guys. It is going to be counter productive to everyone.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:37 PM

Well if Kesler would learn to use his linemates that would sure help. 5 on 5 that 2nd line is useless. Too much north south going on; that's what happens when he tries to carry the line on his back.

.....Can't believe fans on here are finally waking up to the fact of what a cancer Kesler has been to the 2nd line, for seasons even.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:42 PM

Lol Kass is the disheveled mountain man.
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