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#121 VanIsleNuckFan

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:50 PM

Where's the consistency with some of you morons??? Oh....oh wait...I think I just found it....
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:26 PM

I hope Kassian stays with the Nucks. The potential is there but he needs to be around pro's to understand how hard they work to be succesfull. Also he's gripping the stick to tight and looks like he nervous out there. The more time up in the pro's the more relaxed and comfortable he'll get with the situation.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:36 PM

That cannot be our lineup day in, day out. It looks too talent-based. I mean, all of those guys are top nine forwards, so it's unfair to the guys on the fourth line. And with Weise and Volpatti, I'm predicting Gillis unloads someone for a quality grinder.


This lineup is bad because it has too many good players!! Get some bad players, quick!
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Raymond - Schroeder - Jensen
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen

Kassian's roster spot is in jeopardy if Jensen comes over how?


That line up makes me absolutely drool..
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

Hello Everyone! I just wanted to get your take on the situation that could or may unfold within the next 3 weeks or so. That factor is the Nicklas Jensen Factor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MMlz7WtSqFw

amazing video by CDC's very own DJ Kreuzberg, everyone give him a high five for the awesome video!

For those that post before actually reading the thread, ill make a easy summary

-Zack Kassian is playing poorly and inconsistent hockey
-Nicklas Jensen SEL season is over March 5th, rumor has it that his Junior team doesn't want him back so he can't play anywhere else
-Kassian is waiver exempt from getting picked off waivers, probably not beneficial to his development to get 4th line ice time and Volpatti fills that grinder/energy roll a lot better imo.
-Roster space is at max capacity so 1 player needs to be put on waivers to acquire another


I think the one and only position this affects would be Zack Kassian, As we all know and have seen, Kassian has been playing very inconsistent and somewhat poorly the last few weeks. He's had some benching's in the 3rd periods of games and has been a liable player defensively. The point is, he has a couple more weeks to play well or he may very well get sent down to the minors to make room for Nicklas Jensen.

I think what Jensen has done in Sweden has been nothing short of amazing, he's been playing against men and he's up to speed (game shape) to come in and not feel out of place. Quite frankly he has enormous offensive potential and skill that could compliment the team's current need.

Why he would help this team over Kassian?

-I think he has a much higher offensive ceiling and skill
-He is in the mold of a pure sniper/goal scorer which could help our PP big time
-We lack a pure goal scorer type player on this team and have been for ages.

What are your thoughts people?


You do know that Jensen started the season with 8 goals, 3 assists in 16 games but since then has scored only 7 goals, 3 assists in 29 games? 10 points in 29 games in the SEL is far from being "nothing short of amazing". BOTH players suffer from inconsistency. 21 points in 45 games in the SEL is not great production for a first round pick, especially considering most of those points came early. In the NHL it would be pretty good but the SEL is a much weaker league. Kassian's numbers in the AHL were better than Jensen's in the SEL (similar leagues) and Kassian also put up about 20 more points in his last season than Jensen in the same number of games played.

Jensen also has 6 less points than an undrafted 19 year old teammate.

I don't mean to bash Jensen but these "flavour of the week" players drive me nuts. Kassian has been more impressive than Jensen this year yet these types of threads pop up.

Look at Rodin's numbers. 26 points in 53 games in the SEL (comparable to Jensen's) and as a 2nd year AHLer he has only 13 in 35.

Don't get me wrong, Jensen has a great combination of size, speed and skill but I can't see him performing in the NHL given his track record so far. At best I think he will put up a rookie season in the AHL similar to Billy Sweatt and that would be fine as long as he continues to improve.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:46 PM

You do know that Jensen started the season with 8 goals, 3 assists in 16 games but since then has scored only 7 goals, 3 assists in 29 games? 10 points in 29 games in the SEL is far from being "nothing short of amazing". BOTH players suffer from inconsistency. 21 points in 45 games in the SEL is not great production for a first round pick, especially considering most of those points came early. In the NHL it would be pretty good but the SEL is a much weaker league. Kassian's numbers in the AHL were better than Jensen's in the SEL (similar leagues) and Kassian also put up about 20 more points in his last season than Jensen in the same number of games played.

Jensen also has 6 less points than an undrafted 19 year old teammate.

I don't mean to bash Jensen but these "flavour of the week" players drive me nuts. Kassian has been more impressive than Jensen this year yet these types of threads pop up.

Look at Rodin's numbers. 26 points in 53 games in the SEL (comparable to Jensen's) and as a 2nd year AHLer he has only 13 in 35.

Don't get me wrong, Jensen has a great combination of size, speed and skill but I can't see him performing in the NHL given his track record so far. At best I think he will put up a rookie season in the AHL similar to Billy Sweatt and that would be fine as long as he continues to improve.

Please do research before assuming, Jensen's drop in production is because of this:
The Canucks want top prospect Nicklas Jensen, who turns 20 on March 6, to join the American League’s Chicago Wolves when his season in the Swedish Elite League with AIK Stockholm wraps up. AIK has five games remaining and sits in ninth place, four points out of a playoff spot in the 12-team league. Jensen has 15 goals in 45 games but has had his ice time reduced recently after the Canucks nixed AIK’s plan to try and trade him. Jensen is under contract to the Canucks and on loan to AIK.
Canuck GM Mike Gillis explained the situation when he appeared on the club’s flagship radio station, Team 1040, with midday hosts Matt Sekeres and Blake Price. “Well, what I think has happened is they were out of the playoffs and wanted to try and trade his rights to get something at their deadline, which we didn’t agree with because we didn’t want to see him traded to another team,” Gillis said. “When his team finishes, we expect him to be over here and playing in Chicago. So we were uncomfortable with that and I think there might be some measure of holding it against him (reduced ice time) but it won’t last too much longer. He’s not playing as much.”
Asked why the Canucks didn’t approve a trade, Gillis replied: “For a number of reasons. We wanted to get him back here to play in the American Hockey League and gain that experience like he did before. He’s certainly capable of playing at that level and excelling so we didn’t want him to go to another team and have him play and miss that opportunity this year. He’s a young guy and we just didn’t feel comfortable with him moving around and then not getting the American Hockey League experience.”
Asked if the Canucks would be against Jensen playing for the big club at some point this season, the GM said: “No, we wouldn’t be at all. In our organization, people earn what they get. Nick has played very well. I think he needs to continue to gain experience at the pro level and he’s moved along quite nicely and this is a minor hiccup in the season for him. But we expect when he gets to Chicago, he will contribute there and, if he continues, he’ll be contributing for us.”
Jensen, a native of Denmark, was the Canucks’ first pick (29th overall) in the 2011 entry draft. He’s listed at 6-3 and 186 pounds.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:53 PM

You do know that Jensen started the season with 8 goals, 3 assists in 16 games but since then has scored only 7 goals, 3 assists in 29 games? 10 points in 29 games in the SEL is far from being "nothing short of amazing". BOTH players suffer from inconsistency. 21 points in 45 games in the SEL is not great production for a first round pick, especially considering most of those points came early. In the NHL it would be pretty good but the SEL is a much weaker league. Kassian's numbers in the AHL were better than Jensen's in the SEL (similar leagues) and Kassian also put up about 20 more points in his last season than Jensen in the same number of games played.

Jensen also has 6 less points than an undrafted 19 year old teammate.

I don't mean to bash Jensen but these "flavour of the week" players drive me nuts. Kassian has been more impressive than Jensen this year yet these types of threads pop up.

Look at Rodin's numbers. 26 points in 53 games in the SEL (comparable to Jensen's) and as a 2nd year AHLer he has only 13 in 35.

Don't get me wrong, Jensen has a great combination of size, speed and skill but I can't see him performing in the NHL given his track record so far. At best I think he will put up a rookie season in the AHL similar to Billy Sweatt and that would be fine as long as he continues to improve.

Also Rodin is getting little to no ice time on the Wolves this year( terrible environment for the canucks prospects)
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:22 PM

Production of players like Kassian will always go down when the lineup gets re-stocked with guys like Kesler and Booth. Your depth and young players will take a statistical hit because their playing time will go down, but the team as a whole will be better and will likely win games...and those players will likely grow because of it. Short term loss for long term gain, and stats ain't crap, basically.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 06:51 PM

You do know that Jensen started the season with 8 goals, 3 assists in 16 games but since then has scored only 7 goals, 3 assists in 29 games? 10 points in 29 games in the SEL is far from being "nothing short of amazing". BOTH players suffer from inconsistency. 21 points in 45 games in the SEL is not great production for a first round pick, especially considering most of those points came early. In the NHL it would be pretty good but the SEL is a much weaker league. Kassian's numbers in the AHL were better than Jensen's in the SEL (similar leagues) and Kassian also put up about 20 more points in his last season than Jensen in the same number of games played.

Jensen also has 6 less points than an undrafted 19 year old teammate.

I don't mean to bash Jensen but these "flavour of the week" players drive me nuts. Kassian has been more impressive than Jensen this year yet these types of threads pop up.

Look at Rodin's numbers. 26 points in 53 games in the SEL (comparable to Jensen's) and as a 2nd year AHLer he has only 13 in 35.

Don't get me wrong, Jensen has a great combination of size, speed and skill but I can't see him performing in the NHL given his track record so far. At best I think he will put up a rookie season in the AHL similar to Billy Sweatt and that would be fine as long as he continues to improve.


The problem with zack is he is doing nothing and seems to hinder his line when he is in his I don't feel like skating mode. I don't know how Jensen plays when he not producing offensively but points only is not a fair way to judge a player as they are going through a cold spell. If they are working hard getting chances and making his line better it may be just bad puck luck. I don't know I have not watched his games but I can tell you zacks offensive decline is related to not working hard and looking disinterested.

I know I'm speculating on this but you were as well. Look at Alex I can think of 4 goals this year off the top of my head that he was a big part of without getting a point. Without watching him play you can't compare Jensen's lack of production to zacks.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 07:01 PM

exactly, it's not hard at all to see which players skate their butts off and work hard. Zack Kassian looks like a lazy player with a lot of floating happening.

If he consistently went in on the forecheck and just hammered people and husted his butt off no one would complain. He needs to watch Volpatti play and then emulate that if he's going to play on the 4th line.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 09:16 PM

I think we need a new multiple waring signs thread..... because it is obvious that his production had dropped game over game this season....... is anyone surprised he went from top line min to 3rd 4th line min... kinda like when he was in the AHL and his numbers dropped going from a high talent offensive team to the wolves...
he will be fine it is kinda hard for a young player to find his place esp when he is moved from top line all the way to the bottom line and everything in between and each line needing something different from him..
Everyone says he is inconsistent yet i think his coach is inconsistent he needs a consistent spot to play and be given a chance to do good thing and bad things...

He has looked good but has always looked timid out there he def looks like a young player that does not want to make a mistake because he knows what will happen.. he needs to be told that if he makes a mistake he will get his chance to prove himself not be benched for the rest of the game just like the rest of the team ala Kesler with his bad give away goal.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:37 PM

DOUBLE JEOPARDY
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:20 AM

Please do research before assuming, Jensen's drop in production is because of this:
The Canucks want top prospect Nicklas Jensen, who turns 20 on March 6, to join the American League’s Chicago Wolves when his season in the Swedish Elite League with AIK Stockholm wraps up. AIK has five games remaining and sits in ninth place, four points out of a playoff spot in the 12-team league. Jensen has 15 goals in 45 games but has had his ice time reduced recently after the Canucks nixed AIK’s plan to try and trade him. Jensen is under contract to the Canucks and on loan to AIK.
Canuck GM Mike Gillis explained the situation when he appeared on the club’s flagship radio station, Team 1040, with midday hosts Matt Sekeres and Blake Price. “Well, what I think has happened is they were out of the playoffs and wanted to try and trade his rights to get something at their deadline, which we didn’t agree with because we didn’t want to see him traded to another team,” Gillis said. “When his team finishes, we expect him to be over here and playing in Chicago. So we were uncomfortable with that and I think there might be some measure of holding it against him (reduced ice time) but it won’t last too much longer. He’s not playing as much.”
Asked why the Canucks didn’t approve a trade, Gillis replied: “For a number of reasons. We wanted to get him back here to play in the American Hockey League and gain that experience like he did before. He’s certainly capable of playing at that level and excelling so we didn’t want him to go to another team and have him play and miss that opportunity this year. He’s a young guy and we just didn’t feel comfortable with him moving around and then not getting the American Hockey League experience.”
Asked if the Canucks would be against Jensen playing for the big club at some point this season, the GM said: “No, we wouldn’t be at all. In our organization, people earn what they get. Nick has played very well. I think he needs to continue to gain experience at the pro level and he’s moved along quite nicely and this is a minor hiccup in the season for him. But we expect when he gets to Chicago, he will contribute there and, if he continues, he’ll be contributing for us.”
Jensen, a native of Denmark, was the Canucks’ first pick (29th overall) in the 2011 entry draft. He’s listed at 6-3 and 186 pounds.


So when is that article from? November? His offense has been slow for awhile now.

Both players (Jensen & Kassian) had a reputation of being inconsistent and they haven't done anything this season to prove that claim otherwise.

21 points in 45 games in the SEL is not the second coming of Teemu Selanne. I think Jensen will be a 20 goal guy in the NHL one day but he hasn't shown yet that he is able to do that. I want to see a full year in the AHL before I get the verdict on him though.

Rodin is an example of a player who always seems to get the benefit of the doubt (both in the SEL and the AHL) but I would put my money on him never lacing up the skates for the Canucks. I hope I am wrong but if I had to bet....

Schroeder's game has been up and down as well but he put up great numbers as a rookie in the NCAA and bounced back after a poor rookie campaign in the AHL. His commitment to improving his defensive game is also evident, as it was a concern at the draft. Now I would say Schroeder is far from being a defensive liability at the NHL level; in fact, I would say his defensive game is further ahead than his offensive game.

Edited by canucklehead44, 24 February 2013 - 02:24 AM.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:22 AM

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Raymond - Schroeder - Jensen
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen

Kassian's roster spot is in jeopardy if Jensen comes over how?


Amen. Thank you.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:08 AM

I wouldn't mind giving Nick a game or 2 if he comes over and plays really well in the AHL.

But Kassian is on this team to stay, I thought he had a solid game against Dallas, and was on the ice for the goal against Nashville, his struggles aren't what people think, he needs more ice time really.

Jensen could play, but really its only if we have injuries, he won't dethrone Higgins, Raymond, Hansen, Burrows, exc. from the top 9. Especially since AV loves the Vets over the Rookies.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:10 AM

he needs to be told that if he makes a mistake he will get his chance to prove himself not be benched for the rest of the game


Well then AV is not the coach for him.

Just look at what happened to Kassian, a bad goal by everyone and he is the casualty, despite coming back with a big fight and playing solid afterwards.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:14 AM

As for Jensen, he has a sick wrister. But I also love the way he battle infront of the net, he has the size and strength and nose for the net to be a force in the battles infront.

I think he will score alot of flashy goals, nice shots and dangles, but also won't shy away from the battles infront and having to score through grit and power. Looks like he has gotten faster too.

I really like what I see, I think he game is better suited for the NHL than Junior, or even the SEL. Can't wait to see him in Blue and Green.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 04:00 AM

Kassian and Booth will be IMO our biggest impact players in the playoffs, maybe throw Raymond into that mix too. You win in the playoffs clearly with size, speed, skill and offensive depth.

Regular season lineup:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Booth
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Kassian - Lapierre - Weise

Playoff lineup:

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Burrows - Kesler - Booth
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Higgins - Lapierre - Weise

Much better balance going into the playoffs, Kassian is a better protector of the Sedins than Burrows and that line lacked size the last 2 seasons which is why the Sedins were bullied by Boston, also this way every line has a proven chemistry duo. Sedins, Burr/Kes, Raymond/Schroeder and Higgins/Lapierre. Our bottom-6 needs to be offensively skilled and able to score - it couldn't in 2011 which was a big reason we lost out to the Bruins who had 10 goal scorers on their 4th line. The Kings even had a deadly 4th line that scored big goals for them in the playoffs. Higgins and Lapierre bring that element to our lineup.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:50 AM

" if you want to be a pornstar , you gotta do gay porn first"


By far the funniest analogy I have seen in quite some time.

Why?

Because it is ironically similar to the situation he was explaining without him intending it to be.

Of course you don't need to be in Gay porn first before you become a porn star

Of course you don't need start on the forth line to be a franchise player on the Canucks.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:22 AM

Just watched the video, curious to see how Jensen will be playing against nhl defenseman. Looks like a shoot first player thats not scared to drive to the net. Could be an interesting factor in the next few years. You can't expect him to start lighting it up this year or next year. He's gonna take a while to develop.

Jensen and Kassian are very different players. Doesn't make sense to say Kassian is in trouble because Jensen might come to the NHL. Jensen is no Ovechkin/Malkin/Bure/Crosby/Patrick Stefan
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:01 AM

Funny thing is Kassian is still tied for 1st in goals on the Canucks, despite being shafted by AV and demoted to the fourth line. Mason Raymond had 70 or so bad games last season yet he still plays on the 2nd line. Double standards much
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

Funny thing is Kassian is still tied for 1st in goals on the Canucks, despite being shafted by AV and demoted to the fourth line. Mason Raymond had 70 or so bad games last season yet he still plays on the 2nd line. Double standards much

He has 1 point in last 5 games, 3 points in last 10 games. Thing about Raymond is, is that he's actually decent defensively taking away the puck from the opposition and his speed is a threat.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:39 PM

both players need to develop more. Kassian is ahead of the curve over Jensen...

I know why people are thinking he could get displaced... he is not consistent. It is funny how some professional athletes don't just seem to get it, and underestimate the amount of effort is required.

It is just like winning... you need to learn how to go beyond your self-doubts, and beyond what you think you can do even when you aren't doubting... and then you learn a life lesson. there is only "now". (he wait a sec, why am I wasting time on this board? lol!)

I think he will come through and start working harder more consistently - this is his first full year, he will be better next year - and hopefully in the playoffs.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:55 PM

Kass better wake up tonight...

That is all.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:00 PM

Kass better wake up tonight...

That is all.


LOL

I know the guy gets into position and then stops skating as he hunkers down and becomes immovable but I have seen him make so many good plays that if he just keeps doing what he is doing he will capitalize. He may just stop and stand there, but no one is getting him to move. No one.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

Can we just send him to the minors? Seriously provides nothing but turnovers and penalties for this club lately. Let him get some confidence in the minors where he's not in over his head.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:30 PM

Av is messing him up.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:12 PM

After this game I would be surprised if he's dressed for the next game. He was the sixth best 4th line player in the game. He got to dig deep find a way to skate hard if he wants to avoid the press box. He looks too slow and uninterested.
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#149 Nino

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:15 PM

Av is messing him up.


Or he's messing himself up. I have no idea why some think he should get a free pass to the first line when he is incapable of playing on any line we have seen this year.... Even the 4th?


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