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#31 theminister

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:32 PM

Abbotsford Millionaires?


That's actually a pretty good suggestion.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:32 PM

Abbotsford Millionaires?


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

We could sign with Abbotsford to become our affiliate if we wanted to, but the 'Heat' branding would have to change as a result.


The question is how could Abbotsford guys be so dumb, that they allowed Flames prospect in their building. D'uh. I dont need a degree to know that its not going to work.


It's people like you guys that make me facepalm. The Heat do not play in Calgary. The Heat are not called the Flames. The Heat do not play in the NHL. The Heat's success or failure has no effect on the Flames' success or failure. If people were sensible, they'd be supporting the Heat and there wouldn't be these financial issues.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

If we do get our farm team this close, I hope we actually get some good young talent through the draft or trades .. Cause at this point it wouldnt be as exciting with what we have down there .
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:56 PM

Abbotsford Vigilantes
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:04 PM

How long does it take to drive to Abbotsford from downtown ?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:06 PM

It's people like you guys that make me facepalm. The Heat do not play in Calgary. The Heat are not called the Flames. The Heat do not play in the NHL. The Heat's success or failure has no effect on the Flames' success or failure. If people were sensible, they'd be supporting the Heat and there wouldn't be these financial issues.


Wrong.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:18 PM

The question is how could Abbotsford guys be so dumb, that they allowed Flames prospect in their building. D'uh. I dont need a degree to know that its not going to work.


If you're referring to the Abbottsford City Council, then yeah...it's a bad deal for the tax payers. But if you're taking a shot at the people in Fraser Valley, then 3,700 would disagree with you.

Back on topic, which is the prospect of a Canucks-owned AHL affiliate in Abbottsford for the Canucks...

I'm of the opinion that this would be a good thing...it would give us better control of the development of our prospects, and as mentioned by already by another poster, get the prospects predisposed to playing in the fishbowl and travel of playing in the lower mainland.

Assuming the costs of operating an AHL franchise in Abby is $5.7 million, as per the Heat's deal with the city of Abbottsford, then at a median price of $30 per seat, the "baby Canucks" would have to draw 5,300 per game. As the Flames farm team, they are drawing 3,700, so it's possible/probable that the baby Canucks could draw 5,300+.

The best case scenario is for the Canucks to own their own AHL franchise and buying the ASEC from the city of Abbottsford...provides a win-win for the Canucks and for the city.

The Aviators would be good name...pays homage to local history.

Edited by disisdayear, 24 February 2013 - 08:58 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

If you're referring to the Abbottsford City Council, then yeah...it's a bad deal for the tax payers. But if you're taking a shot at the people in Fraser Valley, then 3,700 would disagree with you.

Back on topic, which is the prospect of a Canucks-owned AHL affiliate in Abbottsford for the Canucks...

I'm of the opinion that this would be a good thing...it would give us better control of the development of our prospects, and as mentioned by already, get the prospects predisposed to the fishbowl and travel of playing in the lower mainland.

Assuming the costs of operating an AHL franchise in Abby is $5.7 million, as per the Heat's deal with the city of Abbottsford, then at a median price of $30 per seat, the "baby Canucks" would have to draw 5,300 per game. As the Flames farm team, they are drawing 3,700, so it's possible/probably that the baby Canucks could draw 5,300+.

The best case scenario is for the Canucks to own their own AHL franchise and buying the ASEC from the city of Abbottsford...provides a win-win for the Canucks and for the city.

The Aviators would be good name...pays homage to local history.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

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It's people like you guys that make me facepalm. The Heat do not play in Calgary. The Heat are not called the Flames. The Heat do not play in the NHL. The Heat's success or failure has no effect on the Flames' success or failure. If people were sensible, they'd be supporting the Heat and there wouldn't be these financial issues.

Strange, I had the same reaction to your post...

I also like the name The Airmen.

I like that better than the Aviators. The Millionaires also make some sense, but since it's not specifically a team in Vancouver, I'm not sure it'd be quite the same.

But the Abbotsford Airmen I like. Canucks colours and the variation of the Johnny Canuck logo:
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(obviously without the 'Vancouver Canucks' but keeping the stick in rink logo in the goggles)
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

Abbotsford Avs for short.

They can put a mountain and snow as logo with the word "AVS". I'm thinking Maroon and Blue as team colors.

Edited by Mr. Reputable, 24 February 2013 - 03:55 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:53 PM

Strange, I had the same reaction to your post...


I like that better than the Aviators. The Millionaires also make some sense, but since it's not specifically a team in Vancouver, I'm not sure it'd be quite the same.

But the Abbotsford Airmen I like. Canucks colours and the variation of the Johnny Canuck logo:

(obviously without the 'Vancouver Canucks' but keeping the stick in rink logo in the goggles)


Nice idea!

Maybe invert the V and make an A?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

First of all, I'd like to say that this would be fantastic if the Canucks farm club came here! I usually go to the Wolves games when they're here so that would be amazing.

I think they will avoid names such as; The Aviators, Pilots, Airmen, or Arrows (as much as i like this one) just because of the Winnipeg Jets being back in the NHL. Avoiding being linked to them (even if only by name) would be a poor choice for marketing.

The best name I can think of would to be to directly link them to the parent club with either the Millionaires, or Canucks, and creating a way in which they could use Johnny Canuck logo in a more prominent way on the jersey.

And to Lulover88, it takes 40 minutes if you drive fast. Approximately 65-70 minutes if you turn up the tunes and cruise in the slow lane.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:56 PM

This sucks for me. I'm a Wolves season ticket holder and a Canucks fan so if they move I won't be happy :(
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:57 PM

Strange, I had the same reaction to your post...


I like that better than the Aviators. The Millionaires also make some sense, but since it's not specifically a team in Vancouver, I'm not sure it'd be quite the same.

But the Abbotsford Airmen I like. Canucks colours and the variation of the Johnny Canuck logo:
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(obviously without the 'Vancouver Canucks' but keeping the stick in rink logo in the goggles)


I really liked the Abbotsford Aviators, but I like Abbotsford Airmen even better. That logo is great.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:31 PM

Abbotsford Canucks, so that way half-interested Canuck fans who want to watch hockey can make the connection more easily.. Not unlike when St.John's were the Maple Leafs, because of TML-nation over in the east.

Either way, hopefully Jensen is on the 1st line in Abbotsford next year!
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

I don't think it's official so it might not be happening, but I think it would be a great situation for all involved. The Heat might have a better chance getting fans there and Abbotsford would likely let them out of their deal if they knew the Wolves would/could move in right away. Being that the stories about Aquilini wanting to move the Wolves to Abbotsford have been going for a while now, I could see there being just such a 3-way deal. Definitely a more appropriate team for the market for the Wolves, and one almost sure to make money.


The Chicago Wolves are separate from the Canucks, plus one of the marquee franchises in the AHL able to compete without the aid of an NHL team. Their attendance levels rivals those drawn by the Blackhawks. It's safe to say that the Wolves will be staying in Chicago. They'll probably be some independent club where NHL teams will loans players to.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:34 PM

Im in abby and i know for sure if we had the ir nucks here there ticket sales would be 100% better, bring them on. i go to at least 1 gm with the heat i know i would go to at least 5 + gms a year if it was the jr nucks. Sorry heat I just can't get into it knowing we have the jr lames here, i do support the pilots and chilliwack chiefs

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:48 PM

Abbotsford Angels

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:33 AM

The Abbotsford Romers. As a tribute to the most successful Canuck in franchise history, Aaron Rome.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:40 AM

If Aquilini bought the arena from the city like it has been rumoured... this is a win for everyone. The taxpayers don't end up subsidizing a team that can't draw flies, and we get a farm team where folks can go see our own prospects. It opens up the organization to a huge segment of the market who love the Canucks, but can't afford to take their whole family to an NHL game.

The bigger loser I think would be the other lower tier hockey teams around... the Giants, the Rivermen, etc... you go see the mini-Canucks for your cheap hockey fix if you are anywhere in the Valley.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:28 AM

The Abbotsford Romers. As a tribute to the most successful Canuck in franchise history, Aaron Rome.


Would have to be Abbotsford Aarons then.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 06:51 AM

If it does happen, then hell yes! Suck it Lames. Abbotsford should house the Canucks farm team, not the Lames farm team.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:23 AM

Abbotsford Angels

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:36 AM

From the other thread in Canucks Talk about moving our affiliate to the Heat if the rumoured move did happen:

Apparently it's not happening...


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BBOTSFORD (NEWS1130) – One media outlet in Utica reported it as iron-clad fact: the Abbotsford Heat would be pulling up stakes for New York State next hockey season.
But the trouble with facts is that sometimes, they’re just not that factual.
The rumour started over the weekend in blog posted on the Utica Observer-Dispatch’s website, which stated the Flames had signed a 10-year deal to bring their AHL affiliate team to the local arena.
It seems plausible; the Abbotsford Heat has had chronically low attendance, among the worst in the league, and the city has been on the hook in a deal that makes taxpayers responsible for any shortfall in profits.
Late last summer, there were also rumours the Vancouver Canucks were interested in snapping up the AHL team.
The first cold water dumped on the current chatter was from Abbotsford Heat president Ryan Walter, who told The Province that nobody from the Flames had spoken with him about relocating the farm team.
The Flames organization then issued a statement denying the rumour and saying how great their current relationship is with the Abbotsford Heat.
Then came the final body check: One of the members of the board that oversees the arena in Utica told the media the story is false — they have approached a number of teams about bringing the AHL back to the city and whole thing was taken out of context.


So, just a comment that the Utica team has been approaching NHL teams that got out of hand. The Flames aren't moving at all.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:48 AM

The Chicago Wolves are separate from the Canucks, plus one of the marquee franchises in the AHL able to compete without the aid of an NHL team. Their attendance levels rivals those drawn by the Blackhawks. It's safe to say that the Wolves will be staying in Chicago. They'll probably be some independent club where NHL teams will loans players to.


Thanks for the clarification, but we're obviously talking about where Vancouver's affiliate will be, not where the organization actually located in Chicago will be when the Canucks are no longer affiliated with them.


From the other thread in Canucks Talk about moving our affiliate to the Heat if the rumoured move did happen:
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So, just a comment that the Utica team has been approaching NHL teams that got out of hand. The Flames aren't moving at all.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:08 PM

Well, there's already affordable hockey within driving distance, it's just that they're affiliated with the Flames.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:26 PM

The Chicago Wolves are separate from the Canucks, plus one of the marquee franchises in the AHL able to compete without the aid of an NHL team. Their attendance levels rivals those drawn by the Blackhawks. It's safe to say that the Wolves will be staying in Chicago. They'll probably be some independent club where NHL teams will loans players to.


I could see the Wolves becoming the affiliate of an expansion team, they are a highly decorated AHL team and will probably not be moved. I assume that Vancouver will have one more year with the wolves and then there will be a shake up in the AHL/NHL. Abbotsford will end up being an expansion team bought by aquillini along with one other for whichever NHL expansion team doesn't get the wolves.

Calgary - Utica
Markham - Chicago
Vancouver - Abbotsford
Quebec - Kansas City maybe??
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:23 PM

I could see the Wolves becoming the affiliate of an expansion team, they are a highly decorated AHL team and will probably not be moved. I assume that Vancouver will have one more year with the wolves and then there will be a shake up in the AHL/NHL. Abbotsford will end up being an expansion team bought by aquillini along with one other for whichever NHL expansion team doesn't get the wolves.

Calgary - Utica
Markham - Chicago
Vancouver - Abbotsford
Quebec - Kansas City maybe??


Maybe for an expansion team would work for the first few years for Chicago but the problem with the franchise, as far as being a minor league affiliate, is their independent ownership.

The Wolves have such a strong fan base that their main focus is on winning and not developing players like NHL team owned organizations. This is one of the reasons that the Thrashers suffered so badly in player development.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:35 PM

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