Smashian Kassian Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (1) That's what they're paid to do, and they delivered big time. Rather than moping around after that entertaining game like you, I was rejoicing. Extremely fun and exciting start to finish, and against a team that's usual successful game plan is to smother the opposition and play boring Sutter-style hockey. Glad I don't have to watch that paint-dry "system" every game. If the Sedins DIDN'T deliver, we'd be hearing it big time from all you constant whiners, too. So we can't win no matter what the Sedins do. (2) yeah, for about 5 minutes early in the 2nd period. Other than that, they had no sustained pressure. Did you even watch the game, or is your anti_AV, anti-Canucks bias so prevalent you just make things up in the hopes no one will notice your BS? (3) yes, but they didn't lose, did they? In fact, they won. You could make that argument about every game. "We coulda lost!!" Brilliant. (4) We made him fail. Daniel's goal was a perfect mini-slapper to the far corner, Raymond's wrister was quick and out-quicked Quick, Hansen's wrister he maybe should have had but then that'll happen often once a game, and on the Hamhuis' goal he had no chance because of the beautiful cross-ice pass, as usual, from Henrik. (5) see (3). You're desperate, and repeating your non-arguments. (6) The same line combos that controlled LA's more established lines? Or are you going to cry now about the 4th line as if it had any difference on the game? (7) 0-2, meaningless sample size. Our PP is slowly getting better, in case you hadn't noticed. It's crept up the charts over the season, and I expect it will continue to do so, especially since Garrison is getting used to the PP system and his new personnel with their unique preferences. (8) What does this mean, specifically? Seems as though it was Sutter who couldn't adjust to anything the Canucks were throwing at them. (9) Ah ha. We play well, so it's fall back to the "just wait till the playoffs" mantra. I can just imagine you guys cheering for Phx or whoever in the first round vs the Canucks, hoping we go out in 4 straight in order to get your desired coaching change. Maybe we'll get bounced early, maybe we'll win the Cup. But let's wait a few months before all that useless and premature speculation. (10) Scraping by? Hilarious. You're like most other whiners. A convincing win isn't good enough. It has to be a 7-0 ice-tilting romp, and it has to be every game. The other teams the Canucks play have some pretty decent players, too. Sometimes they even compete and make a game of it! Imagine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I give AV credit for 20% of the overall wins where his strategy and lineup moves make the difference. The other 60% is goaltending/Sedins where even if Cam Barker was a top line forward they would win and remaining 20% is luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I agree, AV obviously deserves some credit for our regular season success, but for the most part it is the Sedins and the goaltending carrying us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Isn't it true of most teams, that they are carried primarily by their top line and goaltending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Oh yeah, i forgot... Seriously AV? Alberts and Barker over Ballard? In case you havent noticed, after Cgy changed coaches to Hartley, they are more run and gun with speed. They are a soft team with no physical presence. You don't need Alberts or Barker in there over Ballard What the eff is the matter with you? Ballard BETTER be getting traded because if this is honestly due to AV's talent analysis, MG should just leave AV at the bus stop in Cgy. Lol after I just had this outburst, I realized maybe I jumped the gun Is Ballard injured or sick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc_devil Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Now the coaching staff is being exposed in their own division. Can't score against AHL goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 But you said that anyone who does not support AV do not give him any credit at all.......my posting history also shows that is not true, would you admit that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfall Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 So I guess I should revise my assessment of the AV-hating crowd.... ...when they win, it's 20% his fault and when they lose it's 100%...is that about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I could get twisted thinking about AV and his coaching staff after last nights win. Questionable player personnel changes aside I have to give AV some credit. The guy had a pulse and got pi$$ed off. He had some emotion for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleShield Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I could get twisted thinking about AV and his coaching staff after last nights win. Questionable player personnel changes aside I have to give AV some credit. The guy had a pulse and got pi$$ed off. He had some emotion for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 A bunch of people without much information and very little hockey knowledge spouting off about AV decisions based upon speculation and assumptions. Very informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I think I was referring to the "AV-Haters". I'm not sure if you categorize yourself as one, but for the most part, I'm referring to those who make no rational arguments at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 When AV doesn't show any emotion - some on CDC get mad at him for it...when AV does show emotion, those same people get mad at him. This calls for: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Now the coaching staff is being exposed in their own division. Can't score against AHL goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 When AV doesn't show any emotion - some on CDC get mad at him for it...when AV does show emotion, those same people get mad at him. This calls for: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I don't categorize myself as an AV hater at all. I think he needs to go but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that he is a good coach in many ways. To me it is about giving the players a clean slate with a new coaching staff so they all have to earn their jobs again. Unfortunately AV has his favorites that are no longer held accountable when they play poorly and his whipping boys who make one mistake and are benched. I think there are a lot of AV fans on the other side of the argument who make no rational arguments for keeping him as well. So that sword really cuts both ways. The reality is that every coach goes stale eventually especially when the team core is largely unchanged for this many years. It doesn't make him a bad coach in my eyes. It makes him not the right coach for this team right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'm glad AV took a bench minor last night. The NHL is a joke. It pays a little lip service to player safety, but permits a bunch of incompetent little-big-men to make a mockery of the concept of applying the rulebook in a consistent, objective manner. The result is that players realize there is liscence to take reckless runs at marquis players with virtually no consequence. The prevailing logic seems to be that it is up to teams themselves to regulate the game by employing players to react after the fact with an escalation of the gong show that wishy washy officials empower. Kelly Sutherland and a host of other NHL officials aren't fit to handle their role - imo, far and away the least professional officials in pro-sport - I have no problem with a minor outburst like AV's last night. To call a bench minor in that context was additionally pathetic. If anything, these officials need to get called out more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Like I said, I don't really include you in the "haters" group. There are a few people who make a decent argument against AV and you are one of them. I may disagree with your take, but it is what it is. BTW: What sort of pro-AV statements have you seen that are not rational? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Only reason AV is calling the refs out now and being emotional is because he knows he sucks and is running out of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieksa Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I am an AV supporter but even I am starting to feel like we need a change up. Players seem to be blocking him out a bit. I know it is cliche to say Ruff but the amount of players that say he is the best coach they have ever played for speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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