Honky Cat Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Only reason AV is calling the refs out now and being emotional is because he knows he sucks and is running out of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Any argument that suggests fear of the unknown is a valid reason to keep a coach (any coach) indefinitely. Or that there is no coach better than AV out there. Based on whose standards? All good/great coaches start somewhere, right? So is it really rational to believe that AV is the best coach anywhere in the entire hockey world and that no one else, accomplished or not in the NHL ranks, could come in and have success with this team? Come on man. That is as irrational as it gets. There are a ton of AV supporters here who suggest just that. If you want to believe AV is responsible for the success of this team to the extent that no other coach could come in and have that level of success with this group, then it stands to reason that you must also believe that the team's sub par playoff results are also AV's responsibility. People really can't have it both ways on that......on either side of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolan Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 You don't think it's a possibility that a new coach could come in and make things worse? Really? I suppose we have a differing definition of what is irrational and was is not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Mike Gillis should look at the team and understand that their is only one common problem Look at all the fires he had to put out in the past few seasons. The common denominator is that it's always surrounding AV Willie Mitchell situation Cody Hodgson situation Ryan Kesler Situation Keith Ballard situation Goaltending drama The rest of the team have no conflict with each other. They genuinely like each other. The problem is AV created these issues when it was absolutely not necessary and MG should just axe him already. His life will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Yeah but can you say that there is no possibility it would make things better? Both sides are just speculating. The one thing I can say for removing AV (maybe not now but maybe off-season if we don't make it to the WCF or farther) is that we have nothing to lose. I don't see the team magically changing and having fires lit under their asses for AV and two failed runs in a row would prove that. At that point, what is the difference between taking a chance or losing in the 1st round? I don't think you remove AV this year regardless though (unless we go on a 0-10 slide or something unthinkable) but there should at least be an acknowledgement that the team seems to play unmotivated. You can't really remove your whole team, and there is a point where you have to try something different instead of just ramming up against the same wall over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Mike Gillis should look at the team and understand that their is only one common problem Look at all the fires he had to put out in the past few seasons. The common denominator is that it's always surrounding AV Willie Mitchell situation Cody Hodgson situation Ryan Kesler Situation Keith Ballard situation Goaltending drama The rest of the team have no conflict with each other. They genuinely like each other. The problem is AV created these issues when it was absolutely not necessary and MG should just axe him already. His life will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Mike Gillis should look at the team and understand that their is only one common problem Look at all the fires he had to put out in the past few seasons. The common denominator is that it's always surrounding AV Willie Mitchell situation Cody Hodgson situation Ryan Kesler Situation Keith Ballard situation Goaltending drama The rest of the team have no conflict with each other. They genuinely like each other. The problem is AV created these issues when it was absolutely not necessary and MG should just axe him already. His life will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Only reason AV is calling the refs out now and being emotional is because he knows he sucks and is running out of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I already pointed out that I think you and a lot of the other detractors are too close to the situation and if you look around the league, this is the kind of thing that happens to most teams in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 2) I disagree that the past two playoff runs have "proved" anything negative about the head coach. As I have said in the past, back to back losses against the Conn Smythe winning goaltender, both times with serious injuries to core members of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinusw Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Just can't hold back any more! Tired of AV's useless decisions! Plays Raymond at centre, moves Schroeder down to the 4th, and scratches Ballard over Barker or Alberts. Is AV on drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Gillis would have to look in the mirror re: Cody Hodgson as he has stated publicly that the handling of Coho was carefully mapped out by the entire coaching and management team. And how did AV create the "goaltending drama"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Gillis isn't the one who through Hodgson under the bus by claiming Hodgson used an injury as an excuse for his poor play. That severs trust between player and coach. I said goaltending drama in reference to the recent fiasco of Leaving Lu in net for all 8 goals. I'm ok with how he's handled the duties minus the stupid coin toss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Schneider had the flu and wasn't going in unless Luongo was injured not too hard to figure out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Mike Gillis should look at the team and understand that their is only one common problem Look at all the fires he had to put out in the past few seasons. The common denominator is that it's always surrounding AV Willie Mitchell situation Cody Hodgson situation Ryan Kesler Situation Keith Ballard situation Goaltending drama The rest of the team have no conflict with each other. They genuinely like each other. The problem is AV created these issues when it was absolutely not necessary and MG should just axe him already. His life will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Gillis isn't the one who through Hodgson under the bus by claiming Hodgson used an injury as an excuse for his poor play. That severs trust between player and coach. I said goaltending drama in reference to the recent fiasco of Leaving Lu in net for all 8 goals. I'm ok with how he's handled the duties minus the stupid coin toss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thats not throwing him under the bus. Thats speculating on AV's part. More likely than not, thru info from management. Oh...well Lu getting perforated is a non issue. Both player and coach have stated thruout the years that it is asked of the goalie if he wants to play out the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 AV has no tact. You can try to spin this on MG but AV is the one who stood in front of the camera and said what he said. He could have said it ANY other way. Maybe calling it as is and saying that Hodgson still needed more time to develop as his speed wasn't up to par and needs to get up the NHL game speed. But no, we all know what AV said instead. Its a repetitive behavior and we just saw it evidenced again with Ballard. Dressing Alberts and just saying it was their best chance to win? What does the say about Ballard? How about something along the lines of we wanted more size against a physical and bigger LA team... Some of AVs comments are just asinine and anyone with half a brain would address the situation differently. it's like he enjoys the drama and being in the spotlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Ballards a big boy he can take that and understand what AV meant, if Ballard really is that hurt by this we're better off without him because he's way to mentally fragile for the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 And what did AV mean by dressing Barker AND Alberts over him the next day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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