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#31 ahf149

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:39 PM

*rolls eyes*. The sky is falling! The Sky is falling
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:46 PM

Mg isn't helping....he is over pricing luongo, he has 4 left side defensemen making +4m, a glaring hole at 3rd line center and we are still lacking toughness in the top 9 forwards!!!!

The last one bugs me the most because we have had this problem for the last few years and he still hasn't solved it!!!!


1) Would you rather he under price Luongo? Or are you just wanting a trade for the sake of having a trade?

2) We also have one of the better defensive groups in the league regardless if 2/3 prefer the left side
(yes I know it didn't look like it the last bit)

3) Jordan Schroeder has looked fine. Or would you rather someone thats 6'5 but has terrible possession metrics?

4) Can you think of quality tough top-9 players who would be available for cheap and an improvement over Raymond/Schroeder (who im assuming are the players you would want to swap out).
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:46 PM

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:47 PM

Fire the coach get rid of the Gm trade luongo sent the sweeds packing get rid ov kes and kb3 shoot fin get a new rinck omg its 1 bad game its going to happen once and awhile :picard: x 100
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:54 PM

@Kack Zassian
so what do you suppose the problem is then? Continue to sit back and hope that they will get it and turn it around and become a juggernaut.

I wish the Cancuks do that. But they're always playing uninspired hockey. They lose to bottom dwellers, they lose to teams that hav e a winning record, and they feast on the weak NW division. Sure they get in the playoffs with that, but this team is never battle tested when it comes to the real dance, and they have no idea on what to do.

There's a difference between a good team and a stanley cup champion. They're stuck in the good team mode.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:58 PM

Mg isn't helping....he is over pricing luongo, he has 4 left side defensemen making +4m, a glaring hole at 3rd line center and we are still lacking toughness in the top 9 forwards!!!!

The last one bugs me the most because we have had this problem for the last few years and he still hasn't solved it!!!!


This: and further still bieksa is our toughest dman and that's not even close to enough for the post season either from a regular shift perspective or a depth perspective....I mean great, mg signed vandy but lets be real. vandy isn't going to get slotted in for the playoffs after playing for the wolves all year to be of any consequence.

No disrespect to bieksa intended.

We saw this team play inconsistent and non committal hockey from February on last year and it ended with a first round exit. The same hockey is being played right now by everyone not a tender of named sedin or Hansen.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

1) Would you rather he under price Luongo? Or are you just wanting a trade for the sake of having a trade?

2) We also have one of the better defensive groups in the league regardless if 2/3 prefer the left side
(yes I know it didn't look like it the last bit)

3) Jordan Schroeder has looked fine. Or would you rather someone thats 6'5 but has terrible possession metrics?

4) Can you think of quality tough top-9 players who would be available for cheap and an improvement over Raymond/Schroeder (who im assuming are the players you would want to swap out).


1) would u trade bozak and kadri (ur no.1 and no.3 centre) for a 33 year old starting goalie who has a 10 years left where u haft to pay him a handsome 6.7m for the 6 years alone...luongo can still backbone a franchise but lower ur asking price, ur never gonna get it.....what's wrong with asking for bozak and Biggs?

2) u ain't going far when u don't have a blueline that gels from top to bottom... One move could solve all our problems back there

3) Schroeder has played well but do want a 5'9 rookie centering your 3rd line when u wanna go deep in the playoffs....it didn't work with wellwood (size factor) and that's why mg went out and got manny

4) no there isn't for cheap but we have had this problems for a few years and he has barely made a dent in the problem...kassian is a start and he is a gem.....maybe at the end of the day u haft to pay up and except the loses for the right player


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

So tired of looking for the scapegoat after every loss. How about the reason for the loss simply come down to 5 games in 7 nights and being matched up to a good team that's playing well at the moment? Oh ... sorry ... this is CDC, nothing could be that simple.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:06 PM

Well i had a vision in my head that this team made a shuffle with the coaching staff and we went on a tear and won the cup. Make it happen MG!...
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:15 PM

AV may be the winningest coach of the Canucks but how many Stanley Cups has he won with his tenure on the Canucks? 0. I think Vigneault needs to be fired.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:17 PM

@Kack Zassian
so what do you suppose the problem is then? Continue to sit back and hope that they will get it and turn it around and become a juggernaut.

I wish the Cancuks do that. But they're always playing uninspired hockey. They lose to bottom dwellers, they lose to teams that hav e a winning record, and they feast on the weak NW division. Sure they get in the playoffs with that, but this team is never battle tested when it comes to the real dance, and they have no idea on what to do.

There's a difference between a good team and a stanley cup champion. They're stuck in the good team mode.


Were 7th in the league right now... were 6-2-2 in our last 10. Do you think maybe your just overracting to this blowout loss?

Put on the breaks...
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

Please give me a coach that's available who has over 600% winning pct in the nhl and has won a cup.

Vigneault's at around 640 like said in my post earlier, but no cup. also refer to my post earlier. (: lost to the cup champs in 4/5 seasons we've made the playoffs under his tenure.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

AV may be the winningest coach of the Canucks but how many Stanley Cups has he won with his tenure on the Canucks? 0. I think Vigneault needs to be fired.


Babcock hasn't won a cup in 5 seasons... he should be fired.

Honestly, please don't watch hockey anymore if you honestly feel this way...
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

AV isn't a bad coach by any means, but tonight he got out-coached by one of the league's best. Babcock and Renney dissected the Canucks defence and destroyed us after the 1st intermission.

Their powerplay completely changed it up after failing a few times and made adjustments needed to beat us down handily. This is the biggest reason we've been ousted in the playoffs - like I said AV is probably a top-10 coach in the league but better coaching staffs beat us head-to-head. Julien was far better at adjusting as they came back from being down 0-2, and Suter is simply one of the best coaches in the NHL.

If you look at wins-losses against teams with good coaches even this season, we've struggled. Our only wins come against teams with poor coaching, for example ALL of the Northwest division.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:20 PM

This: and further still bieksa is our toughest dman and that's not even close to enough for the post season either from a regular shift perspective or a depth perspective..


So any idea where we get a top-6 d-man who can beat our Ballard/Tanev and is tougher than Bieksa who doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

Only guy I could think of is Engelland, and I still don't put him in over Tanev/Ballard.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:23 PM

AV may be the winningest coach of the Canucks but how many Stanley Cups has he won with his tenure on the Canucks? 0. I think Vigneault needs to be fired.

As many as every other coach in Canucks history combined?

forget firing him, he's gettin a statue beside Roger! :emot-parrot:
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:24 PM

AV may be the winningest coach of the Canucks but how many Stanley Cups has he won with his tenure on the Canucks? 0. I think Vigneault needs to be fired.


If you go by Stanley Cup wins only then 70% of the leagues coaches should be fired right now. More to keeping a coach around then Cup wins alone. Where would Detroit be if they fired Scotty Bowman in 1995 after being swept in the finals because he hadn't won them a cup yet?

I'm all for looking for a better replacement for Vigneault and I'm still not 100% sold that Lindy Ruff is that guy and beyond him there is no one else available that is better.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:26 PM

1) would u trade bozak and kadri (ur no.1 and no.3 centre) for a 33 year old starting goalie who has a 10 years left where u haft to pay him a handsome 6.7m for the 6 years alone...luongo can still backbone a franchise but lower ur asking price, ur never gonna get it.....what's wrong with asking for bozak and Biggs?

2) u ain't going far when u don't have a blueline that gels from top to bottom... One move could solve all our problems back there

3) Schroeder has played well but do want a 5'9 rookie centering your 3rd line when u wanna go deep in the playoffs....it didn't work with wellwood (size factor) and that's why mg went out and got manny

4) no there isn't for cheap but we have had this problems for a few years and he has barely made a dent in the problem...kassian is a start and he is a gem.....maybe at the end of the day u haft to pay up and except the loses for the right player


1) Because Bozak is marginally better than Mason Raymond, and Biggs is nothing to write home about. That return doesn't make this team better.

2) Aside from Garrison/Edler, this defense has gelled extremely well. And lets give Garrison more than a 20 game sample. If MG can somehow acquire a top-4 RH d-man to play with Edler and not make this team worse, I am sure he would. I have doubts he could even if he wanted to.

3) Again, lets find this mystery center whos available. If we could magically get a Paul Gaustad, I would be all for it. Good luck finding one.

4) So how many players are upgrades on Raymond (presumably the odd man out in this situation) and are also tough?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:26 PM

So any idea where we get a top-6 d-man who can beat our Ballard/Tanev and is tougher than Bieksa who doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

Only guy I could think of is Engelland, and I still don't put him in over Tanev/Ballard.


i hope you didnt interpret my post as an nhl13 statement.....looks like you may have.

however, the fact remains as proven during our playoff performances as well as successful teams performance, that we lack the above mentioned.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:26 PM

AV may be the winningest coach of the Canucks but how many Stanley Cups has he won with his tenure on the Canucks? 0. I think Vigneault needs to be fired.

You mad? Hahaha. Honestly, please don't use honestly twice in one sentence, your English teacher will dock you serious marks off for improper grammar.

Edited by Alexander 7he Great, 24 February 2013 - 07:27 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

You mad? Hahaha. Honestly, please don't use honestly twice in one sentence, your English teacher will dock you serious marks off for improper grammar.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

i hope you didnt interpret my post as an nhl13 statement.....looks like you may have.

however, the fact remains as proven during our playoff performances as well as successful teams performance, that we lack the above mentioned.


No, but these players practically don't exist...
And outside of Tanev we don't have a single "soft" d-man on this team.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:30 PM

agreed av got out coached in this one.
even before the nucks gave up the lead, i was thinking lou looked slow. clasic signs of lou having a bad game were there. shot from the goal line goes in and flopping on his stomach.
the refs were bad but leaving lou in net made the bad calls kill us.
the speed line is now a distant memory.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:41 PM

Irrelevant.


Not it isn't. If we can't beat teams with winning records we wont go far in the playoffs.
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I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:42 PM

No, but these players practically don't exist...
And outside of Tanev we don't have a single "soft" d-man on this team.


I wouldn't even call Tanev soft...hey may not be overly physical but he plays with bravery and is tough to hit generally...I'm referring to a crease clearing type dman with some weight....a dman that can perform against the likes of sj, St. Louis, and la in a seven game series...

I'm not calling our d soft per se....well maybe I am....they are a cast of regular season dman.

I feel that mg has avoided this issue with money ball signings and too many like tools from the same box both up front and on d...

We are down to two inconsistent and injury prone second liners, and a third line centre in a small Schroeder...not to mention a non signing of salo and a huge signing in garrison, unproven in the conference, not used to our system and all the while we are supposedly claiming ourselves as a contender...

I see too many variables, the same inconsistent play as last year, cap space available and ten million in goaltending half of which wears a ball cap on any given night...

And....it's not just an 8-3 shellacking talking here....I've more or less been saying a variation of this since last February.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:48 PM

Not it isn't. If we can't beat teams with winning records we wont go far in the playoffs.



Like the Kings right?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:51 PM

I wouldn't even call Tanev soft...hey may not be overly physical but he plays with bravery and is tough to hit generally...I'm referring to a crease clearing type dman with some weight....a dman that can perform against the likes if sj, St. Louis, and la in a seven game series...

I'm not calling out d soft per se....well maybe I am....they are a cart of regular season dman.

I feel that mg has avoided this issue with money ball signings and too many like tools from the same box both up front and on d...

We are down to two inconsistent and injury prone second liners, and a third line centre in a small Schroeder...not to mention a non signing of salo and a huge signing in garrison, unproven in the conference, not used to our system and all the while we are supposedly claiming ourselves as a contender...

I see too many variables, the same inconsistent play as last year, cap space available and ten million in goaltending half of which wears a ball cap on any given night...

And....it's not just an 8-3 shellacking talking here....I've more or less been saying a variation of this since last February.


I guess we disagree on this, because I would say our d-men are fine at clearing the crease. Adding one player isn't going to make the crease that much clearer...

David Booth I can condone calling injury prone, and Chris Higgins (with the exception of staph infections) has been healthy and very consistent these last few seasons. (unless your referring to Raymond as injury prone from his back?)

I get wanting to have a bigger 3C than Schroeder, but he has had no issues from a defensive standpoint. Obviously he can handle players who are bigger/stronger than him.

As for the cap-space, unless we can upgrade our roster in a goalie trade the added capspace is irrelevant.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:53 PM

Although im not saying blow things up, I am open to replacing AV more than ever.

People will bring up our record as to why were fine, but i think playing in an awful division gives us a false sense of confidence.

Playoff teams we've lost to so far:

Anaheim - Blownout (although we did shut them out in the rematch)
Chicago - Totally outclassed, we were lucky to get a point.
SJ - Dominated us physically
STL - Outcoached
Det - Outcoached again

AV has shown time and time again that he doesnt know how to adjust once the oppositions coaches make an adjustment in game.

I cant count how many times i've seen him look clueless in the bench when the other team makes a comeback or erase a lead.

There is a great coach who is unemployed right now, MG would be foolish not to atleast talk to Ruff.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:53 PM

Like the Kings right?


The Kings that went into the playoffs with the exact same team they started with, amirite?
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I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:53 PM

Why didnt they pull Luongo after the 5th or 6th goal? Why?
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