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#1 Bill F-ing Murray

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:33 AM

I remember when hammer came here and his hip check was devastating. Ohlund had the bigguns too...


This year I don't see the hits that make the other team think twice about entering our zone, playing with there head down or even hesitating on dump in's. Maybe i have a case of refereeitis and I am apparently blind.

Please enlighten me if I am wrong in the fact that our team looks like they finish their checks but at a reduced effort then what we have seen in previous canuck teams.

I see this:


and think it might only be the fact that the lock out hasn't ironed out the kinks yet.

interesting note:
Lappy has been in the top 35(2013) (11-2012) (26-2010) and the number of hits for the last 3 years is a total of 483
No other canuck in the top 40 in each of those years.

In my opinion we need a stronger forward that can also score.... they are in short supply and well saying what we need and acquiring them are 6 different things.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:35 AM

I did find one:

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“Since the beginning of recorded history, which is defined by the invention of writing by the Sumerians around 6,000 years ago, historians have cataloged over 3700 supernatural beings, of which 2870 can be considered deities.

So next time someone tells me they believe in God, I’ll say “Oh which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra?…” If they say “Just God. I only believe in the one God,”

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:03 AM

The Hammer started getting called for low hits and clipping, he had to stop before he got suspended.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:11 AM

The Hammer started getting called for low hits and clipping, he had to stop before he got suspended.


He got called for "tripping" Chris Stewart without even bending over. Most ridiculous call I've seen in a long time.

Only explanation is that the refs have been instructed to call hip checks, and Hamhuis was one of the targets. Because the ref obviously didn't really see the hit, but called it based on reputation.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:15 AM

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:15 AM

He got called for "tripping" Chris Stewart without even bending over. Most ridiculous call I've seen in a long time.

Only explanation is that the refs have been instructed to call hip checks, and Hamhuis was one of the targets. Because the ref obviously didn't really see the hit, but called it based on reputation.


Next targets: the Sedins. When they score, it'll be a penalty and no goal. Anything to destroy the Canucks.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:31 AM

Ballard used to be the king of hip checks. But the main reason for lack of hitting I find is the reffing. I don't even think they know what's legal and what isn't anymore.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

I miss the hipchecks.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:59 AM

I'll admit, seeing people like Tanev get smoked by huge hits wouldn't hurt so much if we laid some on other people from time to time. I think that Tootoo's hit is what did us in in that game, after Kassian took that penalty, we wern't the same.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

I hate to say it, but I believe the NHL is going the way of the NBA/basketball where hard contact will be completely eliminated, and where the so-called pick and roll will be allowed...we're going to go from being a contact sport to one where the only incidental contact that is going to be allowed is where you establish a stationary position to block someone out. It's going to be like watching old-timers hockey.

I'm convinced the NHL is taking NFL's lead in their fear of litigation from retired players for post career issues (primarily undiagnosed/misdiagnosed head injuries; if that is allowed, the legal system would allow for lawsuits related to knee, shoulder, hip and all other debilitating injuries) and are making these adjustments on the fly.

So, the days of clean open ice body checks and classic hip checks are a thing of the past.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:19 AM

We do miss Raffi Torres the human missile in this regard.

Hell, even big and fast Vic Oreskovich laid the odd guy out during our little run there.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

He got scared of shanny and now he doesn't hit at all...still effective but not as physical
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:54 PM

Hammer got hurt in the finals in game 1- I think. Pretty sure this is why we don't see him make so many big hits. Risk of injury is too high.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:54 PM

in a shortened and condensed season staying healthy is paramount, if you lose players to injury you're screwed and will miss the playoffs. the more physical your team plays the more its going to wear on the players and ultimatley cost you. our history with it aint that great either. hamhuis tryed to hip check lucic in the finals and got hurt and then boston ran away with it. vancovuer currently sits 13th in team hits, so middle of the pack. which is just fine. of the top 10 teams for team hits 8 currently do not sit in a playoff spot. the two that do are toronto, who sit first, and ottawa, who rank 7th for hits. and guess who sits dead last in team hits? with 275 fewer than toronto?.... Chicago. so i trust the canucks will ramp it up come playoff time, when they're not playing 7 games in 12 nights.

http://www.nhl.com/i...e=realTimeStats

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:14 PM

Man all those Ohlund hits in the OP vid are so clean. Miss #2 in blue!
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:17 PM

The highlight reel hits seem to result I an injury one way or the other every time now.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:03 PM

Raffi Torres, Zac Rinaldo, Jordin Tootoo - Any one of these guys would be a glorious addition to the Canucks roster.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

Canucks hit like no other in the playoffs. Raffi gone hurts, but still, this team is loaded with guys who can lay the opposition out. As long as we keep winning, and we bring it in the playoffs, it's all good.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

Funny, how in 10-11 we had one of the least physical teams around and yet last year we have greatly improved physicality and only won one playoff game. Just because of one series everyone is all like "this team isn't tough enough" when in reality we need skill more than toughness.. I'd rather have four scoring lines than 2 lines of scoring and 2 grinding lines.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:20 PM

Gillis is a moron for letting Raffi walk.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

They need someone as a deterrent.
Someone from Chicago runs Daniel, you get someone to take a run at Kane/Toews/Sharp/etc. Borderline hit on Tanev by Detroit, you make sure someone like Ian White is on his rear every time you hit him.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

I miss Raffi

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:09 PM

Volpatti, Weise, Lapierre, Burrows, Kesler, Booth, Higgins, Kassian ---> All strong physical side
Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Ballard, Garrison ---> All strong physical side

Unless we could switch a Raymond for a Nick Foligno type player, it is extremely unlikely we make this team more physical without sacrificing skill.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:23 PM

Funny, how in 10-11 we had one of the least physical teams around and yet last year we have greatly improved physicality and only won one playoff game. Just because of one series everyone is all like "this team isn't tough enough" when in reality we need skill more than toughness.. I'd rather have four scoring lines than 2 lines of scoring and 2 grinding lines.



no we have alot of grit.. not a lot of toughness... there's a difference.. compare someone 190-210 pounds around 5'11-6'1... with someone 225-235 pounds at 6'3-6'4 someone in the first category may be considered tough until someone in the secondary category shows up.. how many players in the second category do we have on this team?
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:40 PM

Man all those Ohlund hits in the OP vid are so clean. Miss #2 in blue!

Ditto. and they never really covered the big hits he had while in Van. They mainly focused on the more recent ones with TB. Sigh. Man, I miss Ohlie.

and I don't like hip checks. just keep remembering marchand's on salo going "Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!"
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:40 PM

Volpatti, Weise, Lapierre, Burrows, Kesler, Booth, Higgins, Kassian ---> All strong physical side
Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Ballard, Garrison ---> All strong physical side

Unless we could switch a Raymond for a Nick Foligno type player, it is extremely unlikely we make this team more physical without sacrificing skill.


strong physical side , really ?

Gillis is a moron for letting Raffi walk.


we need a freight train, big time.

Canucks hit like no other in the playoffs. Raffi gone hurts, but still, this team is loaded with guys who can lay the opposition out. As long as we keep winning, and we bring it in the playoffs, it's all good.

:picard:

Hammer got hurt in the finals in game 1- I think. Pretty sure this is why we don't see him make so many big hits. Risk of injury is too high.

Hamhuis looks like he's about to cry sometimes. How about we get somebody nasty back there.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:07 PM

Man all those Ohlund hits in the OP vid are so clean. Miss #2 in blue!


I'd think that the hit on Vermette would get called by today's standards for boarding...

Thing is, right now even clean hits (not targeting head, elbows in, no jump, no high-stick) sometimes get called illegal because it's hard or results in the guy getting injured (or not), and without hesitation it seems like it's justified that the other team can go at the hitter, who may have done so cleanly. Pretty sure that Gillis tells his team to stay (more or less) disciplined so they wouldn't have to risk getting long penalties or even suspensions from hitting too hard.

I still don't buy what the "get a freight train" folks are selling. Torres is not someone I'd want, since he throws dirty, momentum-changing hits that can affect his team's chances to win; I'd want someone who is clean as a hitter, who hits hard but straight up and shoulder to shoulder. The league probably wants guys like this (and I'd agree with them actually; hopefully Vancouver can pick someone like him)


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

^^ "Jesus loves you, everyon else thinks your an @$$hole" Best bumper sticker ever, sorry was that off topic?


Raffi, Ohlund, Bertuzzi, remember when the canucks had character??? Those were the days....

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:49 PM

I'd think that the hit on Vermette would get called by today's standards for boarding...

Thing is, right now even clean hits (not targeting head, elbows in, no jump, no high-stick) sometimes get called illegal because it's hard or results in the guy getting injured (or not), and without hesitation it seems like it's justified that the other team can go at the hitter, who may have done so cleanly. Pretty sure that Gillis tells his team to stay (more or less) disciplined so they wouldn't have to risk getting long penalties or even suspensions from hitting too hard.

I still don't buy what the "get a freight train" folks are selling. Torres is not someone I'd want, since he throws dirty, momentum-changing hits that can affect his team's chances to win; I'd want someone who is clean as a hitter, who hits hard but straight up and shoulder to shoulder. The league probably wants guys like this (and I'd agree with them actually; hopefully Vancouver can pick someone like him)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmmxFyrrStA


Wow, this kids a beast. Beautiful, clean, hard hits. This is what we need.
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