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#31 Tystick

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

Wow, can people stop freaking out every single time we lose?
The team is doing fine. What messed with us yesterday was the officiating, and we can't allow that to happen. No matter how inconsistent it is.
We have all of the pieces necessary for a Stanely Cup run, we just need Kesler and Booth to get back into shape.

Give it a month before this team fires on all cylinders consistently.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

TRADE ALLLLL THE PLAYERS & COACHES!!!!!! Watch out Mike Burnstein your next.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

You may as well add in firing MG to your list of 'to do's' because at the end of the day AV is his guy.......Firing the coaching staff threads after a loss is nothing new or original.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:15 PM

I guess having a 10-4-4 record means this:

ZOMGZ!!!!!! WE LOST!!!!!!! FIRE EVERYONE!!!!!!! TRADE ALL THE PLAYERS!!!!! SELL THE FARM FOR WEBERZZZZ!!!!!!!
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

I guess having a 10-4-4 record means this:

ZOMGZ!!!!!! WE LOST!!!!!!! FIRE EVERYONE!!!!!!! TRADE ALL THE PLAYERS!!!!! SELL THE FARM FOR WEBERZZZZ!!!!!!!


Continue without making any changes and the Canucks lose in the first round again. I also didn't make this thread because we lost, but the bad coaching in this game was just more evidence AV needs to be fired. Compare this team with 11'12. Do you actually think the way this team's playing they can win a cup?
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:22 PM

so you dont like this team and are too lazy to watch another. so....the entire makup of this team is going to change to suit your needs. nice one.
bag skate the defence... thats the funniest thing i can imagine. they are tierd and slow so lets beat them down some more. nothing makes me want to mix it up in front of the net like wabbly legs.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

Shouldn't we all be at work or in school right now?
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

This is bad cause you make zero sense. If your going to be a GM consider not making decisions on a team that has a winning record well over .500. Sweeping changes are not what is needed. You would know that if you only had a brain.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:42 PM

This is bad cause you make zero sense. If your going to be a GM consider not making decisions on a team that has a winning record well over .500. Sweeping changes are not what is needed. You would know that if you only had a brain.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:04 PM

Hey! I know. Why don't we just trade all the vets for picks and prospects, fire the coaches and GM. Then we can compete with Calgary and Edmonton for the first overall pick!!!!!!! :frantic:
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:11 PM

Man Canucks fans are some of the most doom and gloom around. Luongo has one bad game TRADE HIM, FIRE MIKE GILLIS!

Calm down guys. We're leading our division. We'll be in the playoffs again this year. Take a step back, poor yourself a drink, and clam down.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:15 PM

Man Canucks fans are some of the most doom and gloom around. Luongo has one bad game TRADE HIM, FIRE MIKE GILLIS!

Calm down guys. We're leading our division. We'll be in the playoffs again this year. Take a step back, poor yourself a drink, and clam down.


As I've said many times, I didn't make this thread because of the game before, I made it because they're looking eerily similar to the 11'12 squad and this team is not looking like a playoff team. Did the game last night give me more reason to make this thread? Yes. The inability to pull Luongo after 5 goals against and leave him in for 3 more and killing his confidence is just great coaching.....
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

As I've said many times, I didn't make this thread because of the game before, I made it because they're looking eerily similar to the 11'12 squad and this team is not looking like a playoff team. Did the game last night give me more reason to make this thread? Yes. The inability to pull Luongo after 5 goals against and leave him in for 3 more and killing his confidence is just great coaching.....


Schneider had the flu otherwise Lu would have been yanked.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

1. This team has 4, count it 4 regular season losses, a quarter way through a shortened season and people are talking about overhauls. This, along with the ridiculous comments being posted left right and center, after last nights loss explains alot why players like Lou want out, the rest of the leagues fan's think van fans are idiots, and this 30 yr canuck fan realizes how adolescent the majority of Van fans have become.

2. Any changes the nucks need are not as a result of bad coaches, one loss, etc. They are simply tweeks to get this team ready for a run for the cup.

3. Do we need tweeks, of course, every team does. But can this team as is make a run, yes it can, it is arguably better than the 2011 team and just needs to get hot at the right time. I wouldn't want to be a Chi fan right now, yes they are hot but they can't keep this up...if anything LA proved when you need to get hot is not regular season, its going into the playoffs.

4. Minor tweeks, yes. here they are

a. Move Garrison to the third pairing until he is comfortable in the system. He is a good player but having a tough time adjusting. Appears as though this is common with FLA players (Booth still finding his role etc).

b. Move Garrison off the pp with Edler. Both are shots. Garrison should be the shot on the second. Edler and Hammer on first pair, Garrison with Tanev on the second. (or Bieksa).

c. Move Kassian back to the second or first line. He is going to be there in playoffs, its time to start getting him ready and let him play his game. If he is with the Sedin's he knows his role, and we all saw what that showed, terrific play, fighting, hitting etc. You move him around and he gets a bit confused as to how he should contribute. That being said, I was happy with his response last night on the hit on Tanev, Tootoo is a feline. And I'm even glad he took the chirping penalty. He is getting mad, and let him. Thats when he's at his best. AV must stop trying to 'perfect' him, and just let him play his game. It's ok if he's on the third if they can get some chemistry going, but he is a BIGGER part of the solution here than many realize. We need him to play the game we traded him for. AV must allow that to happen, not reign it in. He brings emotion and tenacity.

d. Make the Lou trade soon. Not that I think having both goalies isn't a great luxury, but its affecting both goalies whether they like it or not. Goalies need to get into a rhythm, play a string of games. Yes its good to keep both sharp, but its also mentally draining to deal with the" am I in tonight, am I not". Moroever, a trade needs to bring us a third line center who hits and brings emotion and grit. Right now that is what this team is lacking. Size and aggressiveness. Now as I said, Kassian can bring that, but we need one more for the playoffs. Get us a first rounder with that player and we're set.

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Sedins/Kassian
Higgins/Kesler/Schroder (give him the marty st. louis role on this line)
Raymond/New Center/ Booth
Weisse/Volp Lappy / Hansen

all of a sudden, each line has size, skill, speed, and grit (other than the fourth which is a terrific checking line).


Awesome post but swap burrows with Schroeder and we got a real contender

Edited by thad, 25 February 2013 - 03:26 PM.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

As I've said many times, I didn't make this thread because of the game before, I made it because they're looking eerily similar to the 11'12 squad and this team is not looking like a playoff team. Did the game last night give me more reason to make this thread? Yes. The inability to pull Luongo after 5 goals against and leave him in for 3 more and killing his confidence is just great coaching.....


i think this guy has a lot of great points.

do you think we could get rick nash for ballard raymond and a 1st?
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

OP, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

The Canucks need a tweak, yes, at the very least. Just as when we brought in Manny and Ehrhoff the dynamic of the team changed and it helped elevate the rest of the roster. I don't argue with that logic because AV has let some guys get too comfortable which works well for some personality types and is detrimental to others.

The obvious goal is to give an injection to the line-up, either through player acquisition or coaching change, without scrapping our current model. The time may come to do that but the management has decided that time is not yet. Don't get your hopes up that it will happen this season either.

For a long time the team has been seeking a #1 powerhouse d-man. I don't think that is a secret to anyone but we have been unable to acquire one due to whatever reason. Since that fact has become apparent, the team has instead chosen to fill up the roster with above average but not elite blue liners. To me, that is the logical course of action.

If depth additions at the trade deadline, acquired for picks, are not enough to vault this team back to the final then I do believe you will see some major changes, and my guess would be at the coaching level as well.

Essentially, don't get your hopes up that there will be anything more than complimentary pieces added this year.

This upcoming offseason? I'd be darned disappointed if the status quo is the game plan.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

Man Canucks fans are some of the most doom and gloom around. Luongo has one bad game TRADE HIM, FIRE MIKE GILLIS!

Calm down guys. We're leading our division. We'll be in the playoffs again this year. Take a step back, poor yourself a drink, and clam down.


Yep, as I said in another thread, despite their poor play, a win tomorrow and they will end February 8-2-2. Not sure how much better it could be unless people expect us to win every game.

If this team actually starts playing up to their ability, they can be a very good team.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:41 PM

Oh please stop with the 10-4-4 record BS. Lets he honest here, we're 6-0-1 against the division. That's SIX wins of our ten. Do the math, that's 60%. That record is highly inflated due to our weak division. Take away NW games and our record: 4-4-3. Yes, a 0.500 team.

That's how we're playing right now, a .500 hockey club.


Your points can't be disputed, Keslord.

My observations of the past six games are as follows (some good; some bad):

(1) Sedins/Burrows/Higgins/Hansen games are starting to round into form.

(2) The play of Schroeder and Kassian have leveled or dropped off...this is to be expected as the advantage they had of starting the season in October is gone. Good news about Schroeder and Kass is that in spite of their drop off, they have shown they can play in the NHL. They just need to elevate their game to match the elevated competition. Tanev is starting to show signs of wear and tear, but that's after a long road trip, so I don't know what to think about Tanev's place right now.

(3) In spite of what happened in Detroit, we still have the best 1-2 goaltending tandem in the NHL. On most nights, our tenders will outplay the opposition tenders...when that doesn't happen, we lose as we did yesterday, vs. Dallas at home, vs. St. Louis at home (sorry for stating the obvious).

(4) Kes and Booth are back...they're not running on full throttle, but whether we care to admit or not, our chances of winning with them on our roster heading into the playoffs is better than not having them on our roster. We need to be patient and let them get into game shape.

(5) Likewise, we're a better team with Bieksa in the line up...he's cocky, confident, casual, mean, and a whole bunch of other adjectives (good and bad) that gives the team a stronger identity when he's in the line up.

(6) On paper, our defense looks good...unfortunately, the game is played on the ice, and so far to date, as a group, they have been way too sloppy. Too much little drop passes by Edler, too much of being a step or two behind or ahead of the play, too much counter movement of the puck when the simple play should do, too much pinching and getting caught.

(7) The shortcomings of the Canucks have not changed...that is the need for a two-way third line centre with size or a play-making second line centre (if we get the latter, Kes could always fill the role of a shutdown 3rd line centre) and a defenceman who can take control of the point on the powerply (at this point in time, I would even settle for a guy like Marc Andre Bergeron).

The good thing in all of this is that we still have another, say 18 games to get our collective ch!t together. We should look at playing in the NW as a positive, rather than with angst, in that it allows the team a fairly lengthy exhibition schedule to get the team and players in order, without the risk of losing a playoff spot.

Changing the coaches/systems at this point in time in a short season would be the kiss of death...it's a knee jerk reaction that would derail the team. If, however, we have an early exit from the playoffs, then I'm all for a change. To a man, every player has to play 10% better than they have over the past week.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

Yep, as I said in another thread, despite their poor play, a win tomorrow and they will end February 8-2-2. Not sure how much better it could be unless people expect us to win every game.

If this team actually starts playing up to their ability, they can be a very good team.


You also said "These kind of results are not acceptable for a team like Vancouver. If this isn't the wake up call game, then they're never going to wake up."

Most of the posters agree and are simply trying to figure out where-in lies the problem. This team is underachieving and has looked abslutely brutal at times. They are supposedly a contender yet aside from great goaltending (the main reason their record is what it is) and some recent brilliance form the Sedins, they have looked like a non-playoff team.

This is a hockey market where how the team plays matters as much as their stats sheet.. Fans care too much to be satisfied with "pouring a drink" and pretending everything is okay. That's what lots of posters said last year when the Nucks stumbled down the stretch and look how that turned out.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:45 PM

I'll go so far as to say that a NEW LOOK would be to make Ballard the puck carrier on the PP.

He's the best skater and passer on the blue line. It's a wonder we haven't seen it yet considering how disorderly and plodding Edler has looked in that role. Eddie's mis-suited there and should be the guy receiving passes from Ballard at the point.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

Everything is relative.

The changes being discussed now are needed to turn a 'very good' team into a 'championship-calibre' team.

Wasn't long ago when the changes being discussed were needed to save the franchise from packing up and moving on south.

Everything is relative.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

Hello. As you all know, the 2012-2013 Canucks are looking a lot like the 2011-2012 Canucks. This is a huge problem, as coasting into the playoffs and squeaking out wins really didn't seem to work in the playoffs and you all know what round we got knocked out in. I am here to offer a whole new look to the Canucks.

Step 1: Fire AV, Newell Brown, Bowness.

Step 2: Hire Lindy Ruff, Another Special Teams Coach, and another associate coach.

Step 3: Trade Ballard or Garrison for a capable shutdown RH shot. When a lefty has to play Right D, he can throw the whole pairing off and screw up his positioning.

Step 4: Trade for a 3rd line center. Whether it be picks, prospects or even a player trade, (Schneider trade, Luongo trade etc,) We need that defensive 3rd line shutdown center.

Step 5: Bag Skate these lazy D-men and every time they play a bad game, take them out and replace them with other Candidates such as Barker, Alberts or Vandermeer.

I think these are the key changes the Canucks need to become a contender again and the firings of AV, NB, and Bowness will help light a fire under their butts to start performing.

Thank you.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

Oh please stop with the 10-4-4 record BS. Lets he honest here, we're 6-0-1 against the division. That's SIX wins of our ten. Do the math, that's 60%. That record is highly inflated due to our weak division. Take away NW games and our record: 4-4-3. Yes, a 0.500 team.

That's how we're playing right now, a .500 hockey club.


I'm glad 10-4-4 equals .500

go back to grade 5 math
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

I'm glad 10-4-4 equals .500

go back to grade 5 math


Why not atleast counter to my post instead of making another BS remark?
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:22 PM

Oh please stop with the 10-4-4 record BS. Lets he honest here, we're 6-0-1 against the division. That's SIX wins of our ten. Do the math, that's 60%. That record is highly inflated due to our weak division. Take away NW games and our record: 4-4-3. Yes, a 0.500 team.

That's how we're playing right now, a .500 hockey club.


My thoughts exactly
So many rose-coloured glasses on here - nothing to be concerned about ?

I sure hope Gillis isn't bragging about our 10-4-4 record like some others are, and is looking at improving the team
As our record states (10-4-4) We could win a Stanley Cup right now - if we only had to play our division for it
That record means nothing, as we wont be playing anyone from our division in the playoffs !

We have ONE outright win against a team who made the playoffs last year and that just happened the other day, The 1-0 win over Nashville
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:27 PM

WTF has Lindy Ruff ever won? A whole lotta nothing! In fact his record looks an awful lot like AV's except AV's career winning % is 21 points higher.

This would be a sideways move, if anything. If the Canucks are going to change coaches, let's at least bring in a winner and let's do it after this short year, not during it.

Seriously... One bad thumping and CDC is all, "ZOMYGOD!!!! TRADEZ THE PLAYERZ!!!! FIREZ ALL THEM COACHEZZZ!!!! BLOW UP THE TEAMZZZ FOR NATHAN MACKINNONZZZZ OR DROuINZ11!!!!!11!!1!!!!
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

Bag skating isn't going to change anything - they are professional adults.  Even if it worked at this level, there aren't enough days between games to do anyway.


I disagree...Accountability rings true with all ages.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:53 PM

Funny, i was thinking Luongo was gonna tweet something like that.


After all those red lights going off he could've dated himself and thought, "But i wanted a Bud Light." (80's commercials.)
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:54 PM

U want a new look? how about a "bold" move that MG talked about at his first press conference? I say trade that over-rated, prima donna Kesler for a top prospect or a top 6 fwd + a 1st round pick? Similar to what the flyers did with Richards and Carter
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