higgyfan Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I'm not a fan of the diving either. Kes doesn't need to do that, he's a better player than that. He would be an even better player if he would focus on making crisp passes and helping his teammates to be better players. He now has a reputation of being one of the worst divers in the league. The refs feel manipulated by him, so even if it's a real hit, Kes doesn't draw the penalty. It's of no value anymore, in fact, it's a hindrance, as other players can now hit Kes without getting 2 mins in the penalty box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Do you watch as many Bruins games as Canuck games to actually make that assessment, or just showing your homeristic paranoia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*VaNcOuVeRCaNuCkS* Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Do you watch as many Bruins games as Canuck games to actually make that assessment, or just showing your homeristic paranoia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugemanskost Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I'm going to get flamed again, but, I feel that diving is a moral / values issue. It has everything to do with our win-at-all-costs mentality. We do what it takes to help our team win, including diving. I played sports at a high level for years growing up in Vancouver and I can honestly say that I never took a dive up until I stopped playing competitively at 31. Not once. I did many other things (chippy play, trash talking, threatening, fighting) that were done to intentionally get players off of their game, but, I never dove. The decisions I made often turned into choices that hurt the team instead of helping it, much like the divers we see in professional sports, especially football and hockey. I openly admit that I am a hypocrite because I cheated to gain an advantage, which, IMO, is wrong, immoral and lacking in values and character. When we "play" sports, we are consumed by them... at any level. For that 60 or 90 minute period, everything that we do is based on being better than the opponent. There must be a gene for competitiveness somewhere in our DNA. 15 years separated from my "retirement" from competitive sport has allowed me to see the errors I made during my playing career. Now, as a coach, I try to take my experiences, both positive and negative, and share them with my players. I'd like to think this is growth in me as a human being and as an athlete, but, I can pretty much guarantee that if I ever step back on a playing field again, I will resort back to my ultra-competitive, cheating ways to help my team gain any advantage it can. Why? So we can win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2m4cFe_s50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xur Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 So we can win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugemanskost Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 You know, you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters on CDC. Your posts are thought out, intelligent, reasonable, not over winded but stuffed full of information, and you don't mini mod and call out everyone for their dumb comments. You have gotten more then a couple +1s from me today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyAL Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 There's a sniper in the building, he's dodging bullets give him a break already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whcanuck Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Diving is seriously the only way Vancouver (and a lot of other teams) can draw penalties, maybe you guys disagree with that, but especially in the playoffs, and now even in the regular season, the referees definitely have a personal problem with the Canucks. It's b.s., every team in the league dives. I agree Kesler has gone a little over the top with it sometimes, but the guy always gives his best effort, even if the stat sheet doesn't always have his name all over it. I have a high amount of respect for Ryan Kesler and the skill and determination which he plays the game. The Canucks are way too unfairly maligned for this (thank you CBC!). The media convinced everyone Vancouver is the most unsportsmanlike team in the history of professional sports. Canucks rule! They play hard, they skate hard and they entertain with speed and creativity! 80 percent of the NHL can't claim the latter! Go Canucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Kesler is a big, strong, fast player. He does not need to dive to get the calls. Just play hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 at least marchand is better at is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtpasc Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I hate diving by any team. Also, I think just because other teams do, it does not make it ok for the Canucks to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 One of these days when I go to a Canucks game, I am going to wear my Canucks jersey and have a sign that says. "Kesler, please stop diving, and play the game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 You missed my point I was trying to say players that look like they are diving a lot are diving a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking13 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 What irks me is when it always seems to be the ref that's on the complete other side of the rink that calls a penalty and the one standing right there calls nothing... I'm not talking about diving just all penalty calls in general... It boils my blood!!! The refs have been awful at times so far this season!!! Two phantom calls against Detroit ended up giving the Wings momentum and we paid for them!!! The "goaltender interference" call on Kassian was a joke as well as the Weise "hit to the head" call!!! Effin' joke!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goal-ghost Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Here are some of our best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urIlWcdT6i4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureNHLGm Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Kesler needs to be traded. Easy as that. Patrice Bergeron for Ryan Kesler straight up. Done and Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking13 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 My problem with Kesler's diving is that legitimate calls are not being made. In that Detroit game there were three legitimate penalties that weren't called simply because it was Kesler involved. It happens to Burrows as well but not to the same extent. Once you get that rep as a diver, legitimate penalties start to get ignored. The diving is hurting the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea2Sky Country Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 someone on every team dives. and sometimes diving can be very effective. remember the dallas(?) game? where burrows was thrown in the box twice while we were on the power play ... that was because of diving. well-timed, well-executed diving. the problem with kesler is, he is not a very good (stealthy) diver. and he seems to do it at the worst possible times. and now that he has a reputation for being a poor diver, he rarely gets the calls going his ways. so yes, he should give it a rest, until the appropriate time comes around ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skate or Don't Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 kesler is a guy that used to get mugged a lot. i mean opposing players used to kick the crap out of him. back then he didn't get all the calls because he was a nobody. now he's a somebody and every time he's hit he glares and chirps the refs as if to say "dont you know who i am??" dude needs to stfu and play hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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