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#1 Harbinger

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:50 PM

Pollsters have scary news for Christy Clark


A couple of numbers in a pair of recent opinion polls should be giving Christy Clark’s Liberals some pre-election nightmares right about now.
No, it’s not the number 16 (percentage points separating the trailing Libs from the leading NDP) or even 31 per cent (Clark’s lowly job-approval rating as premier.)
The scariest stat for the Liberals may be the number of B.C. voters who agree with the statement: "It’s time for a change of government in British Columbia"— 59 per cent.
In contrast, just 24 per cent of voters told pollster Angus Reid that it’s not time for a change and Clark should be re-elected.
This is disturbing news for the Liberals, coming as it does after the government tabled a balanced budget and promised a multibillion-dollar prosperity fund in the recent throne speech. With so many voters still determined to throw them out of office any way, it appears there’s little the Liberals can promise at this point to save their skins.
Not that they could promise much any way. The government had already decided against trying to spend its way to re-election.
To achieve the balanced budget, the government raised taxes, sold public assets and choked off spending across most ministries. There’s no money left to buy voters’ support with campaign promises of new program spending or tax cuts.
It seems many voters have simply decided it’s time for a change, and that can be an extremely powerful force in any election.
It’s why Adrian Dix has promised to repeat the NDP’s campaign slogan at every opportunity: Change for the Better.
The Liberals will counter by trying to increase public fear about how an NDP government would drive the province into the red with
deficit budgets.
But that’s where the other scary polling number comes in for the Liberals, this one courtesy of Ipsos Reid.
The pollster asked voters their opinion of the Liberals’ balanced budget and only 12 per cent said they believed the books are really balanced.
An astonishing 72 per cent said they think the books are cooked and the balanced budget is actually a deficit.
The bottom line: When more than half of voters want a change of government, that’s a big problem for the Liberals.
But when more than two-thirds also think the Liberals are lying about their central re-election pitch, that’s a portent of doom.
Up next for the Liberals: Taxpayer-financed TV commercials bragging about a budget many believe is fudged.


Read more: http://www.theprovin...l#ixzz2LyuKEMVQ


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:53 PM

I know where they can increasing funding - the Kits Coast Guard.

amiright?
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:54 PM

I know where they can increasing funding - the Kits Coast Guard.

amiright?


So you do think it's time for a change?
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:55 PM

Absolutely not. The NDP would be, and always are, a disaster.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:59 PM

Absolutely not. The NDP would be, and always are, a disaster.



Will you be disappointed if the voting goes the way of the polls? Will you accept the new government as yours, chosen by the people?

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:01 PM

I've never really liked the leadership of BC.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:01 PM

I'd say the NDP are the lesser of the two evils.
It'll be a 2 horse race in the election (NDP, Libs), voting for another party will be throwing your vote away or like not voting at all.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:02 PM

Will you be disappointed if the voting goes the way of the polls?


Well, I'm skeptical of the polls to begin with. Their sampling size and pools are fairly small. Which is what led to inaccurate polls in Alberta, Ontario, Quebec ... among other places. American polling firms are more exhaustive.

Regardless of the dumb mistakes that the Liberals make, like any government that is ever in power, they're good for business.

It's not necessarily what the NDP will do, but the fear of that alone. Businesses have no idea what they plan on doing or will do, so more likely then not, the case is true that people will keep $ in their pockets.

So yes, I would be disappointed. I would be less disappointed if it was someone else as the leader of the NDP, i.e.: Mike Farnworth. Dix is a lie and a cheat.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:05 PM

Well, I'm skeptical of the polls to begin with. Their sampling size and pools are fairly small. Which is what led to inaccurate polls in Alberta, Ontario, Quebec ... among other places. American polling firms are more exhaustive.

Regardless of the dumb mistakes that the Liberals make, like any government that is ever in power, they're good for business.

It's not necessarily what the NDP will do, but the fear of that alone. Businesses have no idea what they plan on doing or will do, so more likely then not, the case is true that people will keep $ in their pockets.

So yes, I would be disappointed. I would be less disappointed if it was someone else as the leader of the NDP, i.e.: Mike Farnworth. Dix is a lie and a cheat.


All valid points. I'm skeptical of the polling as well. I think the liberals have this one in the bag. As long as they keep up the attack ads they should definitely score some points with the electorate.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:07 PM

All valid points. I'm skeptical of the polling as well. I think the liberals have this one in the bag. As long as they keep up the attack ads they should definitely score some points with the electorate.


Well, they should start a full slate of attack ads not only on Dix and his past, but also the slate of candidates the NDP are running (most of which are old NDP staff, old candidates etc. not much "change"), and their policies. Attack ads work, just ask Mitt Romney.

It's funny because regardless of your view of her, the team Christy Clark is putting together is very strong. Lots of mayors and councillors in addition to some strong private/public sector individuals.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:12 PM

Extremely effective attacks on Mitt. They work.







Liberals need to do the same on Dix.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:14 PM

Well, they should start a full slate of attack ads not only on Dix and his past, but also the slate of candidates the NDP are running (most of which are old NDP staff, old candidates etc. not much "change"), and their policies. Attack ads work, just ask Mitt Romney.

It's funny because regardless of your view of her, the team Christy Clark is putting together is very strong. Lots of mayors and councillors in addition to some strong private/public sector individuals.


Mitt Romney lost the election because he was a gaffe machine. The moment it came out that he didn't care about 47% of them. He was done. His PAC's went negative early and still it made no difference. People didn't want a douche in government.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:17 PM

As a long time Liberal supporter, especially after what the NDP did to this province in the 90's, I'm not convinced Christy is the right person to run this province. But every time I think about the NDP alternative I get sick to my stomach, especially when I see Dix sneer in those commercials, it makes my skin crawl. He is as greasy as they come.

So I say no, it isn't time for a change. Not when the other alternative is DIX and the NDP.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:18 PM

Mitt Romney lost the election because he was a gaffe machine. The moment it came out that he didn't care about 47% of them. He was done. His PAC's went negative early and still it made no difference. People didn't want a douche in government.


His gaffes were not the sole reason he lost. Targeted advertisement in places like Ohio, Michigan, etc. all played a big factor as well.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:18 PM

As a long time Liberal supporter, especially after what the NDP did to this province in the 90's, I'm not convinced Christy is the right person to run this province. But every time I think about the NDP alternative I get sick to my stomach, especially when I see Dix sneer in those commercials, it makes my skin crawl. He is as greasy as they come.

So I say no, it isn't time for a change. Not when the other alternative is DIX and the NDP.


I'm with you. Not a huge fan of Christy, but I am a huge fan of the team she's putting together. A group of strong and competent individuals.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:21 PM

His gaffes were not the sole reason he lost. Targeted advertisement in places like Ohio, Michigan, etc. all played a big factor as well.



That single gaffe shut him down. He had no chance once the public knew his interests would be serving only half the country. Romney had a whole news channel defending him. They ran negative the whole time. If the negative campaigning had worked he would have won this election.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:24 PM

That single gaffe shut him down. He had no chance once the public knew his interests would be serving only half the country. Romney had a whole news channel defending him. They ran negative the whole time. If the negative campaigning had worked he would have won this election.


Huh? So did Barack. MSNBC is basically an arm for the Democratic Party. Both parties ran negative. Both candidates ran negative ads against the other. Obama was just far more effective at doing it, as he had more ammo against Romney. - His 47% comments, against bailout etc. If Romney had ammo on Obama, like that, he could have won.

That's why the Liberals should attack Dix for his prominence behind Glen Clark and his memo forgery.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:25 PM

If Dix is elected, good luck to us all.
I think Christy will be able to right the ship if given more time.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:30 PM

Huh? So did Barack. MSNBC is basically an arm for the Democratic Party. Both parties ran negative. Both candidates ran negative ads against the other. Obama was just far more effective at doing it, as he had more ammo against Romney. - His 47% comments, against bailout etc. If Romney had ammo on Obama, like that, he could have won.

That's why the Liberals should attack Dix for his prominence behind Glen Clark and his memo forgery.



MSNBC and Fox news can hardly be mentioned in the same breath. One of them has complete superiority in the ratings. We aren't talking sort of more viewership. We are talking about complete different categories of viewership. At best MSBC gets 350 000 viewers for a show. Fox news gets upwards of 3 million viewers for shows. Totally different games.


According to a news release from FNC, Nielsen Media Research found that the network completed the previous 12 months with the top 11 programs in total viewers. Demonstrating the network's dominance is the fact that the evening audience for Fox News topped the ratings of CNN, MSNBC and CNN combined with an average of 2,071,000, up 11 percent.


Read more: http://newsbusters.o...r#ixzz2Lz4StInm


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:31 PM

If Dix is elected, good luck to us all.
I think Christy will be able to right the ship if given more time.


Like I've said twice in this thread, the team she's putting together is very strong.

Notables:

Dan Ashton - Mayor of Penticton
Peter Fassbender - Mayor of the City of Langley
Sam Sullivan - Former Mayor of Vancouver (not a huge fan of him, but notable name nonetheless)
Andrew Wilkinson - Lawyer and Doctor
Amrik Virk - Notable RCMP officer
Michelle Stilwell - Gold Medal Paralympian
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:33 PM

MSNBC and Fox news can hardly be mentioned in the same breath. One of them has complete superiority in the ratings. We aren't talking sort of more viewership. We are talking about complete different categories of viewership. At best MSBC gets 350 000 viewers for a show. Fox news gets upwards of 3 million viewers for shows. Totally different games.


According to a news release from FNC, Nielsen Media Research found that the network completed the previous 12 months with the top 11 programs in total viewers. Demonstrating the network's dominance is the fact that the evening audience for Fox News topped the ratings of CNN, MSNBC and CNN combined with an average of 2,071,000, up 11 percent.

Read more: http://newsbusters.o...r#ixzz2Lz4StInm


Well, yeah, I know Fox is more popular. But it's not like people who are gonna vote for Obama watch Fox News to begin with. And the same goes for MSNBC and Conservatives. So it's kind of a moot point. The people who were watching Fox weren't gonna vote for Obama anyways, so them attacking him on the show doesn't ADD to their totals.

That's why targeted primetime ads are so effective. Especially during sports programs.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:42 PM

I myself wonder if there will be apathy within the liberal voting block and they just won't turn out.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:39 AM

How many votes will the new conservative party of BC steal from the liberals?
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:43 AM

Yes....because changing the political party will change things.... :rolleyes:
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:36 AM

I'd be pretty mad if Dix won.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:49 AM

Like I've said twice in this thread, the team she's putting together is very strong.

Notables:

Dan Ashton - Mayor of Penticton
Peter Fassbender - Mayor of the City of Langley
Sam Sullivan - Former Mayor of Vancouver (not a huge fan of him, but notable name nonetheless)
Andrew Wilkinson - Lawyer and Doctor
Amrik Virk - Notable RCMP officer
Michelle Stilwell - Gold Medal Paralympian


You're calling Sam Sullivan "very strong"? He was one of the worst mayors in the history of Vancouver.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:11 AM

Yes....because changing the political party will change things.... :rolleyes:

People are unfortunately clueless about representation.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:09 AM

You're calling Sam Sullivan "very strong"? He was one of the worst mayors in the history of Vancouver.


Well, regardless of yours or my view of him ... he definitely still has popularity (he did win a contested nomination) and is a *notable* name. Again, I'm not a huge fan of him, but he's recognizable and well known.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:09 AM

It probably is time for a change, but not to the NDP...
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:22 AM

A real change IMO, *might* only happen in the event that neither the B.C. Lieberals or the NDP are elected.

There's just too much baggage with both parties.

Of course the question is whether a party that doesn't have a bunch of corrupt power brokers behind it would be able to get anywhere or do anything in this dirty, dirty province.
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