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#1 coyotecanuck

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:15 AM

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I've been lying in the weeds not posting much these days and trying not to take hockey too seriously.

But of late I must admit that my blood is starting to boil when it comes to the 'treatment' Alex Burrows is getting from the zebras.

The amount of abuse he takes on a nightly basis, with rarely any calls looking out for his safety, has become downright disturbing and I think it is bordering on career threatening. Besides the interference last night, and the punch to the face, there were literally six or seven position battles in front of the net where he was obliterated and or tackled from behind. When it comes to Alex Burrows it seems the words interference, crosschecking, head shot are not relevant, unless, of course, the call is on him.

I honestly don't know how he takes it night after night. He's like the Energizer Bunny that your kid keeps throwing into the wall but keeps getting back up to beat the drum; like a Timex watch that takes a licking and keeps on ticking, but the batteries and the heart will run out if he keeps getting used and abused by the refs. Honestly, I think even opposing players sometimes seem shocked at how much they can get away with when it comes to pulverizing Alex Burrows.

One would think that the refs would come to respect the fact that Burrows is a human Pinatta on a nightly basis and rarely shows them up. In fact, when he is sent off due to phantom calls he almost always goes straight to the box. No matter what he does, or how he plays it, it just seems that he gets zero respect from the refs, and ZERO protection.

So the blow back/ fallout from 'Augergate' continues. We all knew the ref fraternity is punitive. Ron Mclean leads the charge in proving that one. And we all expected there would be repercussions. But how long can they carry this on for? Will it be for his entire career -- which will be shortened significantly if that's the case -- or will the refs take their pound of flesh and start giving Burr a fair shake?

I am not personally optimistic that anything will change. The refs, under direction from the league, have made the game about the number on the back of the jersey and the colour of the jersey. Reputation is everything in the NHL. And it takes a PR makeover (see the media blitz the Pens orchestrated for Matt Cooke) to change opinions. In fact, fan and team driven propaganda has become a huge part of the NHL, but that's a discussion for another day.

I wish I was savvy with video because it would make quite a compelling case if someone were to document the abuse Alex Burrows, a star and a talented player in the NHL, takes on a nightly basis.

To paraphrase Richard Nixon, I fear the refs won't have Alex Burrows to kick around much longer if this keeps up.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:17 AM

Refs are awful this season, league-wide.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:28 AM

Refs are awful this season, league-wide.


Granted.

What does that have to do with my post?
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:33 AM

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Granted.

What does that have to do with my post?

Uh, you're talking about the refs?
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:33 AM

Im with you. Its BS and its pissing me off
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

Though the refs should be unbiased, and as a Canucks fan it is infuriating to see one of our boys get targeted, you can't not expect Burrows to get poor treatment from the refs. His playing style and history has brought it on himself.

It may not be fair, but honestly I think he thrives on it. We all know he plays with a chip on his shoulder.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:39 AM

I guess Burrows bit off more then he could chew.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:40 AM

It may not be fair, but honestly I think he thrives on it. We all know he plays with a chip on his shoulder.


Chip or no chip, I still prefer getting the PP's we deserve.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:41 AM

Though the refs should be unbiased, and as a Canucks fan it is infuriating to see one of our boys get targeted, you can't not expect Burrows to get poor treatment from the refs. His playing style and history has brought it on himself.

It may not be fair, but honestly I think he thrives on it. We all know he plays with a chip on his shoulder.


So you admit that he is targeted. But justify it by saying it makes him play better? What if one of these targeted hits end his career?

Right now he is a poster boy for what is wrong with the NHL. The basketballization of the league is complete. It's all about star power these days.

We need refs that take pride in living in the moment not the past.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:45 AM

Uh, you're talking about the refs?


No, I am talking about the treatment of ONE player and wondering when will the payback (for telling the truth I might add) end.

I am not making any excuses for the team here. They are playing terribly and I believe some changes need to be made.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

It doesn't matter if he was telling the truth or not, the problem stems from the fact he called the ref out. There are channels in which to do this and the media is not one, so he will always receive the rough end of the stick as refs go.

Doesn't matter if its hockey or any other sport for that matter, the refs stick together.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:21 AM

It doesn't matter if he was telling the truth or not, the problem stems from the fact he called the ref out. There are channels in which to do this and the media is not one, so he will always receive the rough end of the stick as refs go.

Doesn't matter if its hockey or any other sport for that matter, the refs stick together.


I don't think in the history of hockey a ref had approached a player pre-game, promised retribution for something that had happened in games prior, and then had the lack of professionalism to see the threat through not once but twice with the game on the line. Auger called his shot. He deserved to be shamed for it.

Burrows was understandably emotional. And I think the action of the ref and the actions of Burr should have equaled a wash.

Regardless, justifications for this or that are used to often in today's NHL. Burrows is francophone, biting, dirty, ref criticizing, embellishing, dirty ball hockey playing spearing etc ect in the eyes of Canuck haters... and therefore the refs are free to exact revenge for one event in perpetuity I guess... but his blood is still red is it not?
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:24 AM

I've been lying in the weeds not posting much these days and trying not to take hockey too seriously.

But of late I must admit that my blood is starting to boil when it comes to the 'treatment' Alex Burrows is getting from the zebras.
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I agree 100%. Great post.

Last game really highlighted it, with not only that punch to the head going uncalled but a clear crosscheck/interference as well. But its been going on all year and frankly ever since Augergate. I too am astounded how he can get slashed, crosschecked, punched with apparent immunity in every game. Other teams are all catching on and know they can get away with it. I too fear for Alex's health. Alex has listened to Gillis and AV and toned down his jackass shenanigans. But it seems like it is clear that nothing is going to change no matter how much Alex reforms his behaviour. The referee brotherhood has decided that he will pay for the public shaming of one of their own.

Its infuriating when one of the most intelligent NHL players, who plays on one of the top lines, and scores a lot of points, is one of the most consistent performers...gets this kind of abuse from the refs. And maybe not all the refs, but enough of them are on board with the brotherhood's edict to threaten not only team wins, but the health of one of our top players.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:40 AM

from the nashville side of things, its in there game plan to get burrows out from in front of the net. if you look back to a lot of our goals from the point this year, burrows is blocking the goalies vision. he is on top of his game in front of the net.
the refs choosing not to call penalties, allows the opposition to accomplish their goal much easier.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:49 AM

Yes, hockey referees, even at the high school level, have prejudices against certain players and target them for calls or non-calls. It seems so simple to think, can't they just call the game based on how it's played? But it never works that way. If you were to interview one of these refs, totally off the record, they could tell you exactly what they think of every player in the league. The referees should not have the luxury of personal bias, they are supposed to be completely impartial and fair, but they're nowhere near that. The NHL might be the poorest offciated of the four major north american sports leagues, nobody knows the rules, not even the refs. I mean how does Daniel get called for diving? Would the same thing be called if Shane Doan was tripped by Ryan Kesler? If the answer is no, then these refs need to be disciplined and given demerits or a cut in pay to let them know that bogus, prejudiced officiating has no place in the league. Problem is, all the refs are buddies with one another and they're all doing a "wonderful job" and the players are nothing but spoiled, disrespectful punks. It's ruining the game, the NHL is going downhill very fast and unless things change in this league in the next 5-10 years, I am very concerned that the league as we know it might cease to exist in a decade. Somethings gotta change, this is unacceptable.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

I agree 100%. Great post.

Last game really highlighted it, with not only that punch to the head going uncalled but a clear crosscheck/interference as well. But its been going on all year and frankly ever since Augergate. I too am astounded how he can get slashed, crosschecked, punched with apparent immunity in every game. Other teams are all catching on and know they can get away with it. I too fear for Alex's health. Alex has listened to Gillis and AV and toned down his jackass shenanigans. But it seems like it is clear that nothing is going to change no matter how much Alex reforms his behaviour. The referee brotherhood has decided that he will pay for the public shaming of one of their own.

Its infuriating when one of the most intelligent NHL players, who plays on one of the top lines, and scores a lot of points, is one of the most consistent performers...gets this kind of abuse from the refs. And maybe not all the refs, but enough of them are on board with the brotherhood's edict to threaten not only team wins, but the health of one of our top players.


Well put.
The abuse Burr takes, especially in front of the net, harkens back to the Tim Kerr era. Kerr was a four time 50 goal scorer who staked his claim in the crease area knocking home rebounds. Though he was a tank, the cumulative effect of cross check after cross check wore him down and he retired after 13 seasons.

However, in recent years, the NHL has made new rules in front of the net based on body position. Those vicious clear outs were supposed to be curbed by these new rules. The idea was to promote more offence and to protect players from neck and shoulder injuries.

I think what is happening here is that teams are allowed to go 'old school' on Burrows in front of the net. If ever there is a scramble look close and you will see an opponent's defenseman right on top of Burrows. He's always the last guy to dust himself off from the bottom of the pile and never is there a penalty.

I honestly admire him for how he has put up with it.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:57 AM

The only difference between Hansen's punch to hossa and Vermette's to Burrows was that Burrows was facing him and should have seen it coming. Is that the explanation gillis got from Shanny? Just wondering. A head shot is a head shot right?
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:01 PM

I think it's fairly obvious that the Canucks have a reputation, bot amongst the referees and the hockey community in general.

For the last few years now, it seems like you can't watch a sports show, or read the sports section of a paper and not see/hear about the Canucks being "whiners" and "divers". Referees are human and not immune to public perception.

Case in point would be the diving call to Dan last night. The zebra had no way to know that it was a dive. He made that call based on reputation.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

Well put.
The abuse Burr takes, especially in front of the net, harkens back to the Tim Kerr era. Kerr was a four time 50 goal scorer who staked his claim in the crease area knocking home rebounds. Though he was a tank, the cumulative effect of cross check after cross check wore him down and he retired after 13 seasons.

However, in recent years, the NHL has made new rules in front of the net based on body position. Those vicious clear outs were supposed to be curbed by these new rules. The idea was to promote more offence and to protect players from neck and shoulder injuries.

I think what is happening here is that teams are allowed to go 'old school' on Burrows in front of the net. If ever there is a scramble look close and you will see an opponent's defenseman right on top of Burrows. He's always the last guy to dust himself off from the bottom of the pile and never is there a penalty.

I honestly admire him for how he has put up with it.


And yet, I forget which recent game it was, when Burrows mildly pushes off against a defenceman, he gets a crosscheck call. It is getting ridiculously obvious. The referees should be embarrassed.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:06 PM

And yet, I forget which recent game it was, when Burrows mildly pushes off against a defenceman, he gets a crosscheck call. It is getting ridiculously obvious. The referees should be embarrassed.

He got called twice for the same play, on the same dman, in the same game. Stephan Robidas played it perfectly not once, but twice. The dive call on Danny was the most retarded diving call in the history of diving calls. Time for MG to take a hit for the team and call out the NHL officials. This is getting fricken ridiculous.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:09 PM

And yet, I forget which recent game it was, when Burrows mildly pushes off against a defenceman, he gets a crosscheck call. It is getting ridiculously obvious. The referees should be embarrassed.


I think "ridiculously obvious" is a good summery. There is nothing subtle about it plain and simple. I think that's what is pi**ing me off, they are not even trying to hide it. If it was a little here and there, okay, they are human, but I suggest this has been taken to new heights of absurdity.

Edited by coyotecanuck, 27 February 2013 - 12:09 PM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:09 PM

I guess Burrows bit off more then he could chew.


I see what you did there :)
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:10 PM

in hansen's interview after his one game suspention, he was concerned, that he now has a mark on his back.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:12 PM

this is what everyone is saying around the league.. as long as we have lappy, burrows and kesler, nothing will go our way and we will never win the cup..
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:19 PM

dont think if lappy,kes and burrows were not here, things would be different. the refs would find new wipping boys.
rule by intimidation, lowest common form of officiating. bring on the video review and challenge. seems to have cleaned up officiating in tennis, football etc.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:27 PM

So you admit that he is targeted. But justify it by saying it makes him play better? What if one of these targeted hits end his career?

Right now he is a poster boy for what is wrong with the NHL. The basketballization of the league is complete. It's all about star power these days.

We need refs that take pride in living in the moment not the past.


Justify? What am I trying to justify?
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

bring on the video review. if your wrong, you loose your timeout. if your wrong a second time, bench minor.
how cool would that be to get a tripping clall reversed to a diving call. instead of killing a penalty you would have a powerplay.
not many players in this league can beat the camera. that would clean up the diving and poor officiating.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:43 PM

Justify? What am I trying to justify?


My apologies,
Justify was the wrong choice of words. More like it just seemed as though you were minimizing the situation by suggesting he should never expect fair treatment from the officials so therefore why should we discuss it?

How does getting hacked, whacked, crosschecked, tackeled and being on the receiving end of chinzy penalties calls make anyone play better whether they have a chip on their shoulder or not? The opposite is true, it will take a toll on his career.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:43 PM

Agrred !
The Ref brotherhood is sticking together when it comes to Burrows, last night was too obvious.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

Uh, you're talking about the refs?



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