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does the canucks management kinda disrespect their players?

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  1. 1. do u kinda get the feeling the canucks management group is borderlining disrespecting their players?

    • yeah, for sure
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    • maybe a little
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    • no, they are just treating it like a bussiness
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    • no not at all, they have good reason for their decisions
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    • no, they are just stubborn
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    • other
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I had the exact same thought as I was watching the Manny interview from today.

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"maybe im just making something outta nothing but i just wanted to see what everyone thought"

Yeah bro I think you are making something out of nothing.

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I think Gillis is the last person in the world to disrespect his players. At the end of the day though, a club is a business and it has to be run like one.

I voted "they has good reason for his decisions" though ;)

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The way that MG has handed the whole Manny issue has kind of bothered me. On one hand I think its awesome that they are willing to work with him to give him a job in this organization but if Manny really wanted to be traded, if he wants to play so badly that he just wants to play and there is no spot for him here, then I do not understand why they didn't just trade him. Then again if MG isn't pulling something fishy here (the timing of this whole thing just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth) and really did this for Manny's own good then I think he did the right thing. So I guess I am not sure, maybe they are treating their players wrong. Its really hard to say for sure without all the facts.

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You raise this actually pretty well. But, this is business and the players have to understand that they are just part of the business. Some players keep on going like Ballard (i can't recall in instances where he seemed displeased) others are like Roy and Hodgson. Players get benched and demoted all over the league.

I don't think the canuck players are disrespected at all, look at the perks they get and how well they are taken care of outside of just hockey. Booth even said that the level of commitment from the organization is amazing compared to the Panthers.

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Well he did have his rant on Hodgson after the trade, which was unnecessary

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Your signature is appropriate in this case. Something out of nothing.

  • Malhotra said in his interview he knows Gilis has his best interests at heart - as a player and a human being.

  • Ballard is decent depth for us and it wasn't like we were making him play poorly. The return would have been negligible if anything while he was playing bad, but we might be able to move him for something now.

  • Schneider and his agent both understand this isn't a simple deal to make, and the depth is great in the meantime. Cory's still getting his fair share of games, and he hasn't quite shown he deserves more starts than Luongo yet.

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They aren't exactly "nice" people. Management (Gillis and Gilman) are business savvy and pretty darn good at it.

* You have some good points but I wouldn't say that the Canucks management disrespects their players

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gillis is a players GM, he loves his players and will go through a wall for them. Most teams and GM's wouldve sent manny to the AHL or bought him out same with raymond. Gillis shows loyalty to his players and it is well appreciated by the players or else they wouldnt be signing long term deals to stay here.

They sent manny to the best eye surgeon in the world to get him the best possible chance of a normal life. The rypien situation weighed heavily on MG and probably influenced him with manny. I think he was scared that if something did happen he would never forgive himself. I think he still wishes he couldve done more to help Rick even though it sounds like they did everything they possibly could. MG is the type of person to agonize over that and make sure he doesnt repeat the same mistakes.

So no they dont disrespect their players at all, now philadelphia who signs their players to long term contracts then jettisons them before their NTC's kick in that is disrespect.

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I have also felt the same way. The canucks don't give a damn about their players unless it's part of the core - aka Sedins, Burrows, Bieksa, Kesler.

They won't touch those players, but everyone else is expendable. The reason is because MG plays money ball. He looks at stats, looks at +/-, looks at cap hit etc. His stats don't go past the number. This is the reason why players who sign or get traded here don't pan out. Unless they are specific to what the coach wants. There is little thought given in chemistry, how the players mesh with each other, and other intangibles. All those go out the window with money ball. Oh, they also low ball their players in the hopes of selling them to a cup.

And as long as they continue to do this, teams will be weary to come here. Prime example, look at how Samuellson was treated. All of a sudden, BOOM you are traded. Salo, despite the injuries and all those years of service, would have helped out tremendously, but he didn't get resigned. Torres was a great energy player, and one who sparks up a team, didn't get resigned. They tried to lowball him with little money and only a 1 year contract. We all know what happened to Hodgson and Ehroff.

So to answer your poll question, the canucks really do mean business when it comes to their players.

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If MG truly cared about Manny's health to the point where he wouldn't let him play, then he wouldn't trade Manny to another team knowing he would be at risk still playing. He could have just washed his hands of the situation by trading him but he chose not to, showing he actually does care about Manny's health.

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op i think u are right about this.. maybe they dont do it on purpose, just buisness side of hockey but in the last few years there are multiple instances..look at AV and hodgson, not to mention your examples... i bet zassian starts to get pissed off to that he gets benched for 3rd periods and ot, playin 5 mins a game.. also, i agree with u that sooner or later, coryy is gonna come out and say he is pissed off about the whole goalie situation.. hes clearly frustrated about it now, imagine if this continues for another 2 months?? we need to get rid of lou,, and if no trade is there then play him as a backup, give schnieds mulitple starts in a row regardless of if he has an off night.. thats the only way hes gonna get in a groove, get confidence, and start playing amazing.

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Gillis is a phony! Don't like the guy at all...Most Gm's in the league don't like dealing with the guy 'cause they hated him as an agent.

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He needs to sort out these issues before the end of the season. If not, then he has handled it poorly. Until then, nothing wrong has been done. No harm, no foul..

Manny will find a new home if he wants to, Ballard will be traded or bought out (sooner or later) and you'd better believe that Lu or Schneids will be traded sometime this season or after this season. Guaranteed.

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Finally, an intelligent conversation about hockey!

Not another "my grandma thinks Luongo looks like Sasha Baron Cohen" b*llsh*t type of thread.

Thanks dude :)

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I have also felt the same way. The canucks don't give a damn about their players unless it's part of the core - aka Sedins, Burrows, Bieksa, Kesler.

They won't touch those players, but everyone else is expendable. The reason is because MG plays money ball. He looks at stats, looks at +/-, looks at cap hit etc. His stats don't go past the number. This is the reason why players who sign or get traded here don't pan out. Unless they are specific to what the coach wants. There is little thought given in chemistry, how the players mesh with each other, and other intangibles. All those go out the window with money ball. Oh, they also low ball their players in the hopes of selling them to a cup.

And as long as they continue to do this, teams will be weary to come here. Prime example, look at how Samuellson was treated. All of a sudden, BOOM you are traded. Salo, despite the injuries and all those years of service, would have helped out tremendously, but he didn't get resigned. Torres was a great energy player, and one who sparks up a team, didn't get resigned. They tried to lowball him with little money and only a 1 year contract. We all know what happened to Hodgson and Ehroff.

So to answer your poll question, the canucks really do mean business when it comes to their players.

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