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Poll: does the canucks management kinda disrespect their players? (68 member(s) have cast votes)

do u kinda get the feeling the canucks management group is borderlining disrespecting their players?

  1. yeah, for sure (11 votes [16.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.18%

  2. maybe a little (14 votes [20.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.59%

  3. no, they are just treating it like a bussiness (21 votes [30.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.88%

  4. no not at all, they have good reason for their decisions (17 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  5. no, they are just stubborn (4 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  6. other (1 votes [1.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.47%

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#1 billabong

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:53 PM

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i dont wanna start anything and dont come at me saying "canucks lost two games, calm down" but i have been pondering this for a very long time.

does the canucks management group disrespect their players?

exhibit 1) manny malhotra,
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Malhotra wouldn't say he asked for a trade when Gillis shut him down but he also told me he wanted to keep playing so read between the lines

if ur not gonna let him play and he still wants to play then trade him. i just find kinda weird how manny in all likelihood asked to be traded and they would rather him just practice and take up a roster spot.

exhibit 2) keith ballard,

when ballards career was floundering in previous years theywouldnt try to save him by finding him a new home....i know i know, who would take his 4.2m cap hit but there had to be a deal out there that made sense

exhibit 3) schneider and luongo,

they signed schneids to a 3yr/12m deal and declared him the starter and full time duties...a few months later luongo is still here and schneids patience is running razor thin (u only haft to watch a few seconds of his interviews to feel his frustrations, i feel for him) and when management is asked about it they just shrug their shoulders and say "we will deal luongo when we get the deal we feel he is worth, if we indeed choose to trade him". i am sure it is wearing on luongo but he isnt letting us see it as much as cory is and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that

goalies need flow, rythym and a schedule to get into a groove and how are you gonna do that when u play twice a week? trade luo and you will see the real schneids come through

maybe im just making something outta nothing but i just wanted to see what everyone thought

p.s the most patient man in hockey a.k.a cory schneider will say something to the media one of these days and its gonna send another shock wave through the organization...i guarantee it

Edited by billabong, 27 February 2013 - 09:05 PM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

I had the exact same thought as I was watching the Manny interview from today.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

"maybe im just making something outta nothing but i just wanted to see what everyone thought"

Yeah bro I think you are making something out of nothing.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

I think Gillis is the last person in the world to disrespect his players. At the end of the day though, a club is a business and it has to be run like one.

I voted "they has good reason for his decisions" though ;)
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

The way that MG has handed the whole Manny issue has kind of bothered me. On one hand I think its awesome that they are willing to work with him to give him a job in this organization but if Manny really wanted to be traded, if he wants to play so badly that he just wants to play and there is no spot for him here, then I do not understand why they didn't just trade him. Then again if MG isn't pulling something fishy here (the timing of this whole thing just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth) and really did this for Manny's own good then I think he did the right thing. So I guess I am not sure, maybe they are treating their players wrong. Its really hard to say for sure without all the facts.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:06 PM

You raise this actually pretty well. But, this is business and the players have to understand that they are just part of the business. Some players keep on going like Ballard (i can't recall in instances where he seemed displeased) others are like Roy and Hodgson. Players get benched and demoted all over the league.

I don't think the canuck players are disrespected at all, look at the perks they get and how well they are taken care of outside of just hockey. Booth even said that the level of commitment from the organization is amazing compared to the Panthers.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

Well he did have his rant on Hodgson after the trade, which was unnecessary
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:25 PM

Your signature is appropriate in this case. Something out of nothing.
  • Malhotra said in his interview he knows Gilis has his best interests at heart - as a player and a human being.
  • Ballard is decent depth for us and it wasn't like we were making him play poorly. The return would have been negligible if anything while he was playing bad, but we might be able to move him for something now.
  • Schneider and his agent both understand this isn't a simple deal to make, and the depth is great in the meantime. Cory's still getting his fair share of games, and he hasn't quite shown he deserves more starts than Luongo yet.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

They aren't exactly "nice" people. Management (Gillis and Gilman) are business savvy and pretty darn good at it.

* You have some good points but I wouldn't say that the Canucks management disrespects their players

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:41 PM

gillis is a players GM, he loves his players and will go through a wall for them. Most teams and GM's wouldve sent manny to the AHL or bought him out same with raymond. Gillis shows loyalty to his players and it is well appreciated by the players or else they wouldnt be signing long term deals to stay here.

They sent manny to the best eye surgeon in the world to get him the best possible chance of a normal life. The rypien situation weighed heavily on MG and probably influenced him with manny. I think he was scared that if something did happen he would never forgive himself. I think he still wishes he couldve done more to help Rick even though it sounds like they did everything they possibly could. MG is the type of person to agonize over that and make sure he doesnt repeat the same mistakes.

So no they dont disrespect their players at all, now philadelphia who signs their players to long term contracts then jettisons them before their NTC's kick in that is disrespect.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:45 PM

I have also felt the same way. The canucks don't give a damn about their players unless it's part of the core - aka Sedins, Burrows, Bieksa, Kesler.

They won't touch those players, but everyone else is expendable. The reason is because MG plays money ball. He looks at stats, looks at +/-, looks at cap hit etc. His stats don't go past the number. This is the reason why players who sign or get traded here don't pan out. Unless they are specific to what the coach wants. There is little thought given in chemistry, how the players mesh with each other, and other intangibles. All those go out the window with money ball. Oh, they also low ball their players in the hopes of selling them to a cup.

And as long as they continue to do this, teams will be weary to come here. Prime example, look at how Samuellson was treated. All of a sudden, BOOM you are traded. Salo, despite the injuries and all those years of service, would have helped out tremendously, but he didn't get resigned. Torres was a great energy player, and one who sparks up a team, didn't get resigned. They tried to lowball him with little money and only a 1 year contract. We all know what happened to Hodgson and Ehroff.

So to answer your poll question, the canucks really do mean business when it comes to their players.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:55 PM

If MG truly cared about Manny's health to the point where he wouldn't let him play, then he wouldn't trade Manny to another team knowing he would be at risk still playing. He could have just washed his hands of the situation by trading him but he chose not to, showing he actually does care about Manny's health.

Edited by etsen3, 27 February 2013 - 09:56 PM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:58 PM

hmmm well if the owners cant fix a bus , its just business
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:59 PM

Sorry but when did we declare that Schneider is our number 1 goalie?
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

Sorry but when did we declare that Schneider is our number 1 goalie?


When they started him in the playoffs over Luongo? When they extended his contract and gave him number 1 goalie money? The reason Luongo asked for a trade?

Where have you been? do you even live in Van? Are you not good at reading between the lines?

Edited by Super_Canuck, 27 February 2013 - 10:26 PM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:26 PM

op i think u are right about this.. maybe they dont do it on purpose, just buisness side of hockey but in the last few years there are multiple instances..look at AV and hodgson, not to mention your examples... i bet zassian starts to get pissed off to that he gets benched for 3rd periods and ot, playin 5 mins a game.. also, i agree with u that sooner or later, coryy is gonna come out and say he is pissed off about the whole goalie situation.. hes clearly frustrated about it now, imagine if this continues for another 2 months?? we need to get rid of lou,, and if no trade is there then play him as a backup, give schnieds mulitple starts in a row regardless of if he has an off night.. thats the only way hes gonna get in a groove, get confidence, and start playing amazing.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:27 PM

Gillis is a phony! Don't like the guy at all...Most Gm's in the league don't like dealing with the guy 'cause they hated him as an agent.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:55 PM

He needs to sort out these issues before the end of the season. If not, then he has handled it poorly. Until then, nothing wrong has been done. No harm, no foul..

Manny will find a new home if he wants to, Ballard will be traded or bought out (sooner or later) and you'd better believe that Lu or Schneids will be traded sometime this season or after this season. Guaranteed.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:57 PM

Finally, an intelligent conversation about hockey!

Not another "my grandma thinks Luongo looks like Sasha Baron Cohen" b*llsh*t type of thread.

Thanks dude :)

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:53 PM

I have also felt the same way. The canucks don't give a damn about their players unless it's part of the core - aka Sedins, Burrows, Bieksa, Kesler.

They won't touch those players, but everyone else is expendable. The reason is because MG plays money ball. He looks at stats, looks at +/-, looks at cap hit etc. His stats don't go past the number. This is the reason why players who sign or get traded here don't pan out. Unless they are specific to what the coach wants. There is little thought given in chemistry, how the players mesh with each other, and other intangibles. All those go out the window with money ball. Oh, they also low ball their players in the hopes of selling them to a cup.

And as long as they continue to do this, teams will be weary to come here. Prime example, look at how Samuellson was treated. All of a sudden, BOOM you are traded. Salo, despite the injuries and all those years of service, would have helped out tremendously, but he didn't get resigned. Torres was a great energy player, and one who sparks up a team, didn't get resigned. They tried to lowball him with little money and only a 1 year contract. We all know what happened to Hodgson and Ehroff.

So to answer your poll question, the canucks really do mean business when it comes to their players.


I have to agree and disagree with some points.

Yes the Canucks treat their players like a commodity and run it as a business. but as a fan, I prefer that. The biggest recipe in a declining team is falling in love with your team to the point you are keeping them past their expiry.

Thats what happened with the Canucks during the Pat Quinn era which led to the dark years.

After the 94 run, we kept our players when we should have looked to upgrade.

I like how MG is constantly evaluating his team and making changes.

I have to admit some of his moves havent panned out but i would rather have a GM constantly looking to improve (even if that means treating a player like a commodity) rather than being emotionally tied and invested to a player where we keep them despite their lack of production.
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:59 PM

So which team is it that wants to trade for Manny? Would love to know. The Canucks are paying him to not play. Who would pay the salary he is getting even without coughing up a player? Think man, if someone wanted him for free do you think the Canucks would say no!!!
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:00 AM

I have to agree and disagree with some points.

Yes the Canucks treat their players like a commodity and run it as a business. but as a fan, I prefer that. The biggest recipe in a declining team is falling in love with your team to the point you are keeping them past their expiry.

Thats what happened with the Canucks during the Pat Quinn era which led to the dark years.

After the 94 run, we kept our players when we should have looked to upgrade.

I like how MG is constantly evaluating his team and making changes.

I have to admit some of his moves havent panned out but i would rather have a GM constantly looking to improve (even if that means treating a player like a commodity) rather than being emotionally tied and invested to a player where we keep them despite their lack of production.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:04 AM

Gillis is a phony! Don't like the guy at all...Most Gm's in the league don't like dealing with the guy 'cause they hated him as an agent.

And you have that as factual information from?

Actually, you know what, never mind since I know you're just spouting out of your behind on that one. There may have been some reluctance from GMs when he first transitioned from being an agent, but the only reluctance any GM would have now is because they don't like him for their own reasons from after Gillis became a GM.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:10 AM

I think mg was super classy with Malhotra, whats more disrespectful? Benching Malhotra game after game or being straight with him about his play. Manny was still great on faceoffs but you could clearly see that he fumbles the puck a lot and couldn't keep up with the play.

With Ballard, there was no need to find him a home, he is home and playing well this season (with tanev)

With Luongo or Schneider, what would you have mg do? act in the best interest of the players? or try and get the best deal for the team?

I think respecting players is the least of canucks management problems

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:10 AM

Naslund situation was disheartening.
Ohlund, for sure didn't get much respect.

You could tell in their future interviews that they were basically snubbed.

Salo may have been another, but I don't recall.
Cody... well let's not get into that.
Burke/Nonis not invited to Naslund's retirement ceremony...

The list goes on.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:14 AM

Mg should have a say if manny thinks he can play if manny wants to be traded cause mike won't let him play here you can't just say no
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:15 AM

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:16 AM

These players get treated unbelievably well on this team. I don't think they're being disrespected at all.

Gillis made a tough decision that he believed to be the right one. You've gotta respect him for that. And I'm sure he knew he would take some heat for it, which makes it that much more respectable.

He makes decisions based on what he believes to be right for the team as a whole. Sometimes they're not always the right ones, but he seems to always have the teams best interest at heart.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:19 AM

I respect him for shutting him down for his safety but if manny says he wants to play and asks for a trade that he thinks would be better for him and his family that's his decision not mg's
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:20 AM

Gillis takes calculated risks

obviously there are variables out there that are out of his control

ie. Kesler breaking his foot

I have no doubt that putting Manny on IR was very hard to do - but Gillis is trying do do what's best for the team.
It was a business move, but also a 'I care about this person' type of move - its whatever you like to spin it. It looks bad now obviously..
- getting Kes back playing was NB - you just can't predict a broken foot
- allowing Schroeder a chance to develop
- moulding the team for longterm (Kassian, Schneider, etc)
- adding character guys that provide the intangibles to the locker room

Gillis is methodical, calculated, and precise (along with the brass - especially Gillman).

this of course does not bode well with Canucks fans...sh*t goes wrong our response is blow up the team. Trade everyone like its EA Sports NHL video game! Ha come on!

He evaluates, but that doesn't mean its risk free.

Having his job would be stressful.
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