smurf47 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Simply put, Luongo is the better goalie in all facets of the game and RIGHT NOW he gives the Canucks a better chance to win a Cup than Schneider does. That being said, I hope MG lets AV roll both goalies in a tandem, at least up until the deadline if not until next season. We've seen a lot of goalies already injured this season due to the nature of the shortened season, and an injury to a goalie on a Canuck team that relies so heavily on that area of the game would be brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Well, that's arguable. I think Luongo has been better overall this year, but really both have been good. Will it stay that way in years to come? Maybe for a bit, but I think Cory will clearly be better down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 It would have to be a pretty significant return for us to consider it I think. I wouldn't ever say never though. Well, that's arguable. I think Luongo has been better overall this year, but really both have been good. Will it stay that way in years to come? Maybe for a bit, but I think Cory will clearly be better down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 To add. Schneider had a bad first game, but, since then, his stats are better than Mr Luongo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 just as people on here have tough time with reading comprehension/reading between the lines - one only needs to think a little bit about a comment from a defeated player saying / volunteering I'd waive my NTC clause if asked, and what that means. Moreover, if you have twitter and can read between the line and follow a fellow named Stombone1 you'd again see this person (luongo) has implied over and over he wants out. Now is it possible Schnieds could be moved as per the reasons on the OP, yes. But can you simpletons stop acting like Loungo didnt ask to be traded without stating it verbatum???? If Ovi came out right now and said I'd waive my NTC do you think he's not asking for a trade? WOW JUST WOW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Yeah but that is a critical reason why a trade needs to happen. We need more cap-space and simply cannot spend that kinda money in goal. I'm not denying Luo is a good goalie but his contract pretty much decreases his value to average as no GM esp one that is looking to re-build a team around a goalie would be looking to hamper themselves cap wise for years to come; oh yeah and then give up their best prospect/ 1st line player to do that XD (even Burkie passed and that REALLY says something). In a trade a players value is set essentially based on supply and demand. The demand for Luongo is fairly low due to his contract not so much his playing ability. His contract is a BIG deal. That is precisely why we are trying to get rid of him in the first place lol. If he was making 2M we would love to keep him till he retires. Unfortunately cap is going down next year and his slightly oversized contract is gonna get to being gigantic. In any case, the point is it really doesn't matter what Luongo is worth. As of right now, having them both in goal is a little redundant. Salary cap for next year is 64.3M According to cap geek our Payroll is 60.4 next year, with only 5 dmen and 7 forwards lol (and the goalies) We have ~4M to sign approx 7 players. Somewhere in there we are going to have to give up players for nothing just like how SJ donated Ehrhoff to us! Think of this trade... Troy Brouwer 1st rd pick for Luongo, would you take it? Now think of this Mason Raymond, Chris Higgins, Troy Brouwer,1st rd pick for Luongo, would you take it? And I think most offers we have beat Troy Brouwer and a 1st rd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookie Wilson Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Yeah but that is a critical reason why a trade needs to happen. We need more cap-space and simply cannot spend that kinda money in goal. I'm not denying Luo is a good goalie but his contract pretty much decreases his value to average as no GM esp one that is looking to re-build a team around a goalie would be looking to hamper themselves cap wise for years to come; oh yeah and then give up their best prospect/ 1st line player to do that XD (even Burkie passed and that REALLY says something). In a trade a players value is set essentially based on supply and demand. The demand for Luongo is fairly low due to his contract not so much his playing ability. His contract is a BIG deal. That is precisely why we are trying to get rid of him in the first place lol. If he was making 2M we would love to keep him till he retires. Unfortunately cap is going down next year and his slightly oversized contract is gonna get to being gigantic. In any case, the point is it really doesn't matter what Luongo is worth. As of right now, having them both in goal is a little redundant. Salary cap for next year is 64.3M According to cap geek our Payroll is 60.4 next year, with only 5 dmen and 7 forwards lol (and the goalies) We have ~4M to sign approx 7 players. Somewhere in there we are going to have to give up players for nothing just like how SJ donated Ehrhoff to us! Think of this trade... Troy Brouwer 1st rd pick for Luongo, would you take it? Now think of this Mason Raymond, Chris Higgins, Troy Brouwer,1st rd pick for Luongo, would you take it? And I think most offers we have beat Troy Brouwer and a 1st rd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Actually the difference in the 2 is negligable if you base it on stats. Lou has sp of .912 and Schneids is .910 , the difference in goals (4) is attrbuted to the increased shots Schneider has faced (39) over 11 games. Schneider has also played 24 minutes less than Lou. Do the math ! Schneider has, over the last 2 seasons, faced more shots per game more than Lou...maybe our team feels more confidant and can open up more with Schneids in goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Is that not still better this year? Or are you really trying to argue at all times regardless of who is playing better that Schneider is the best based on your evaluation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'd take the Washington -trade any time, but doubt it can be done. But the one with Philly makes no sense for them, and I do believe they are right up against the cap and we come in second. So we would have to match $ for $ what they give us and what we send there. And that trade would put the about 7$ Million over the cap max. This without looking into numbers too closely, just a circa. So that can't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 you need to stop taking stupid pills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adniel_g Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 It is true that Lu's contract could be a burden going forward. But Schneider is far more likely to return a cap friendly contract or two in a trade. Schneider could return a young forward who is paid $3M but produces like a $6M player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I actually have no preference of which goalie gets traded, I just want it done already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Just trade a goalie already Jesus Christ. If this keeps up they will both be worth crap in the off season. How can you get on your game when your sharing time? And unlike before, its not like there is friendly competition btw the goalies...now its more like play well or you will be traded to Florida...or Toronto. And even scary threats like that aren't getting through on some nights cuz they already got no. 1 goalie contracts. The goalies are sick of it, the fans are sick of it, and other teams GM's are prolly sick of it too. Pretty sure they are all past that point where they were supposed to be desperate for a goalie and come running to the nucks. MG is playing it cool like two goalies are gonna work to our benefit, but really its screwing us over and will be much much worse next year with the cap going down (other Gm's will have more leverage on Gillis). Its not like we are trying to trade Ovechkin Crosby here (true superstar); we can't really be fleeced that bad when the goalie market seems to have set and accepted Luongo's price. MG is the only one fighting it at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Ok expert, I'll bite. Tell me all the technical ways that lou is better than Schneider and tell me about how and where you obtained this knowledge, down in Melbourne Australia ? You might come up with one, cuz thats all I came up with ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookie Wilson Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 we're left with a great goalie no matter who gets traded, it's just a matter of what will get us a better return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 There's footage from after the Calgary game where Luongo and Schneider are talking... Looked pretty friendly to me... You're out to lunch; a simpleton fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colt 45s Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Schneider's contract in three seasons is up and he will be an UFA. He is getting 4.0 million a season now and will command a hefty pay raise. The problem is that next year the cap hit is going down, and in two years you have to sign Daniel and Henrik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 You single handedly remind me why I feel I'm at the schoolyard when I read your posts. No way you're in your forties-fifties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Posted this in the Luongo news thread (and discussion thread) so might as well put it here as well: I'd say the first real (as far as we know) insight into a turn in tide for who Gillis may be getting the most calls on. Grain of salt as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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