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#331 Canucks_Hockey_101

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:12 PM

With Rhinne and Mason playing some serious sub par hockey these days, perhaps a Weber trade is more plausible...

In the summer when Weber becomes eligible for a trade:

VAN
Weber

NSH
Schneider
Edler
Ballard
Raymond
1st
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 07:56 PM

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With Rhinne and Mason playing some serious sub par hockey these days, perhaps a Weber trade is more plausible...

In the summer when Weber becomes eligible for a trade:

VAN
Weber

NSH
Schneider
Edler
Ballard
Raymond
1st

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:03 PM

With Rhinne and Mason playing some serious sub par hockey these days, perhaps a Weber trade is more plausible...

In the summer when Weber becomes eligible for a trade:

VAN
Weber

NSH
Schneider
Edler
Ballard
Raymond
1st

just cause rinne is doing average doesnt mean they are giving up on him and weber use your head ! Commen sence people

Edited by naslund.is.king, 16 March 2013 - 09:10 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:07 PM

So with Luongo traded and Schneider going to UFA, the Canucks trade him?

Is that when the program "wish we didn't trade Luongo" kicks in? Or did that program kick in with the decision of trading Luongo in the first place?


Just like any high UFA, if they don't seem like they are going to re-sign you make sure you get a return out of them. It's not like this is an uncommon practice. And there is 2 year to go by before we even have to consider this.

It's not a who's better discussion, it's which goalie makes more financial/quality sense and will benefit this team now and the future discussion. Luongo is a great goalie, there's no denying that but is he the best solution for this team moving forward? How many flames fans don't want iginla to leave. Even now at 36 year old he is the city's hero and they don't want to move on from him. Sometimes fans need to step back from their personal bias and look at the team from a "what's the best option".

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:12 PM

Just like any high UFA, if they don't seem like they are going to re-sign you make sure you get a return out of them. It's not like this is an uncommon practice. And there is 2 year to go by before we even have to consider this.

It's not a who's better discussion, it's which goalie makes more financial/quality sense and will benefit this team now and the future discussion. Luongo is a great goalie, there's no denying that but is he the best solution for this team moving forward? How many flames fans don't want iginla to leave. Even now at 36 year old he is the city's hero and they don't want to move on from him. Sometimes fans need to step back from their personal bias and look at the team from a "what's the best option".


and luongo is the best option because he's all but guaranteed to perform at a high level for the better part of the next decade and moving schneider would improve the team more because of the assets it would bring in.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:19 PM

and luongo is the best option because he's all but guaranteed to perform at a high level for the better part of the next decade and moving schneider would improve the team more because of the assets it would bring in.

luongo is the better option they are equal goalies ones higher cap but the thing is cory will fetch more and in essance that should help extend our Stanley cup window thats what needs to come out of this trade
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:24 PM

and luongo is the best option because he's all but guaranteed to perform at a high level for the better part of the next decade and moving schneider would improve the team more because of the assets it would bring in.

now we just need to cross our fingers with lack
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:56 PM

luongo is the better option they are equal goalies ones higher cap but the thing is cory will fetch more and in essance that should help extend our Stanley cup window thats what needs to come out of this trade


I've asked the before but what team is this "fetching more" coming from? I understand why (cap/younger) but from who? And be realistic when you think about, go through each team, I already have
http://forum.canucks...7#entry11196437
What team is willing to give up more? No teams it makes sense to make the trade for him this year before deadline. So if the value for either goalie isn't going to be very high, then which goalie do you move. As you said yourself, both goalies are equal, you would think you keep the younger, less expensive goalie.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:04 PM

fyi guys...

Roberto Luongo is actually on pace to a point were when he finishes his career, will be top 3 in wins of all time. :shock:. He needs to average out 30 wins per year, until his last year, to get that far.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

I've asked the before but what team is this "fetching more" coming from? I understand why (cap/younger) but from who? And be realistic when you think about, go through each team, I already have
http://forum.canucks...7#entry11196437
What team is willing to give up more? No teams it makes sense to make the trade for him this year before deadline. So if the value for either goalie isn't going to be very high, then which goalie do you move. As you said yourself, both goalies are equal, you would think you keep the younger, less expensive goalie.


as i haven't had any discussions with general managers from around the league i can't be sure which teams would have interest. but that's irrelevant at this point. if they're in the market for a goaltender, they'll be willing to give up more for schneider than for luongo. and even if they won't cough up that much for schneider, it's still te better move because it still improves your team more.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:36 AM

as i haven't had any discussions with general managers from around the league i can't be sure which teams would have interest. but that's irrelevant at this point. if they're in the market for a goaltender, they'll be willing to give up more for schneider than for luongo. and even if they won't cough up that much for schneider, it's still te better move because it still improves your team more.


Like I said which teams are in the goalie market? I've already looked through each team individually (as posted before) It's not like Luo and Cory are the only options to choose from. If "more" means we get a extra 3 round pick or we don't end up taking on a cap dump player, does that really benefit our team? People think that cory is going to fetch us this unreal deal when compared to Luongo. All i'm asking, is what team is going to give us this deal that's so much better then what we'd get for cory. If the asking price for luongo was player, prospect, and pick. What team is going to give "their farm" more for cory?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:12 PM

With Rhinne and Mason playing some serious sub par hockey these days, perhaps a Weber trade is more plausible...

In the summer when Weber becomes eligible for a trade:

VAN
Weber

NSH
Schneider
Edler
Ballard
Raymond
1st

You must seriously be on drugs !!!
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:18 PM

luongo is the better option they are equal goalies ones higher cap but the thing is cory will fetch more and in essance that should help extend our Stanley cup window thats what needs to come out of this trade


add the fact that in three years hes a UFA and will comand 6-7 million on a long term deal...then what do we have...an aging over paid goalie....wicked...
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:23 PM

add the fact that in three years hes a UFA and will comand 6-7 million on a long term deal...then what do we have...an aging over paid goalie....wicked...


Quote me on it if u want but I doubt Cory will ever be a 6-7 million goalie
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:23 PM

Cory's the future goalie here. Lu will be traded - I think Gillis' demand in return for Lu will be less than what it's been. He needs to get him off the team. It'll be good for Cory and his continued development. He was supposed to be the No. 1 in this shortened season, but management hasn't exactly dealt with the situation that great.

I think if anything. This situation has stalled Cory's development.

I'm still hoping for FLA to give us Gudbranson for Lu and whatever else they want.


Im sorry man but I dont follow your thinking. We dont need another D man. We need a top 3 scorer. Plus Cory will be a UFA in three years and demand a huge long term deal. 6-7 million over 8 years....then we are left with an over paid aging goalie instead of an average paid aging goalie. Cory has not proven to me that im willing to lose this year and maybe next just to keep him long term. I know what we have in LU. I'd like to win now.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:25 PM

Quote me on it if u want but I doubt Cory will ever be a 6-7 million goalie


we can only hope but if he puts up good numbers in a market like vancouver then becomes a UFA...you can bet a team like st louis or tampa or even calgary or edmonton are going to throw a stupid amount of money at him. If we dont match we risk losing big time...no assets for cory and very little in the lu trade....I dunno. Its very shaky right now...im nervous.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:33 PM

Cory n shroeder for duchene n giguere?

Or too unfair?
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:38 PM

Cory n shroeder for duchene n giguere?

Or too unfair?


Well think about it from COL side. Is Cory that much better then Varlamov that they'd be willing to trade their young star. Would COL be a better team with Cory in net minus on of top two players. NO

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:41 PM

With Rhinne and Mason playing some serious sub par hockey these days, perhaps a Weber trade is more plausible...

In the summer when Weber becomes eligible for a trade:

VAN
Weber

NSH
Schneider
Edler
Ballard
Raymond
1st

So they are just going to take 16 million in cap from us and we get weber.
plus i don't see them needing two top 4 d'men , nor a replacement for Renne , nor any need for mayray .
don't see either team even mulling over something like this.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:44 PM

Well think about it from COL side. Is Cory that much better then Varlamov that they'd be will to trade their. Would COL be a better team with Cory in net minus on of top two players. NO


Hmmm good point.
I'd love duchene though... make it happen mg ;)
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:44 PM

we can only hope but if he puts up good numbers in a market like vancouver then becomes a UFA...you can bet a team like st louis or tampa or even calgary or edmonton are going to throw a stupid amount of money at him. If we dont match we risk losing big time...no assets for cory and very little in the lu trade....I dunno. Its very shaky right now...im nervous.


VAN would either have cory resign to an extension or they would trade him for a return. Seriously he a UFA in three years, every team has multiple UFA's on it. Teams don't just let high assets walk off the team for nothing how is this even a concern. The only way cory is demanding 6-7 mil is if he has one us the cup and if thats the case he would deserve it
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 06:43 PM

VAN would either have cory resign to an extension or they would trade him for a return. Seriously he a UFA in three years, every team has multiple UFA's on it. Teams don't just let high assets walk off the team for nothing how is this even a concern. The only way cory is demanding 6-7 mil is if he has one us the cup and if thats the case he would deserve it


I just look at calgary's shot at o'reilly.....I'm just saying. Three years in our market getting slammed ...doesnt want to resign with us....then gets an offer sheet. Could go bad. But...lets hope your right and I'm wrong.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 06:57 PM

I just look at calgary's shot at o'reilly.....I'm just saying. Three years in our market getting slammed ...doesnt want to resign with us....then gets an offer sheet. Could go bad. But...lets hope your right and I'm wrong.

unrestricted free agents don't sign offer sheets.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:40 PM

With Rhinne and Mason playing some serious sub par hockey these days, perhaps a Weber trade is more plausible...

In the summer when Weber becomes eligible for a trade:

VAN
Weber

NSH
Schneider
Edler
Ballard
Raymond
1st

Do you ever get tired of your own proposals? Do you even look at capgeek before you do these? Do you consider the fact that Nashville wanted him enough to pay an enormous signing bonus to start the season? If you are being sarcastic, then why aren't you using your patented Comic Sans MS font to (poorly) indicate sarcasm? If you aren't being sarcastic, then you should tape all of your fingers together to keep you from making any more proposals.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:39 PM

With Rhinne and Mason playing some serious sub par hockey these days, perhaps a Weber trade is more plausible...

In the summer when Weber becomes eligible for a trade:

VAN
Weber

NSH
Schneider
Edler
Ballard
Raymond
1st


Did anyone point out that Raymond will be a UFA this summer?

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:45 PM

VAN would either have cory resign to an extension or they would trade him for a return. Seriously he a UFA in three years, every team has multiple UFA's on it. Teams don't just let high assets walk off the team for nothing how is this even a concern. The only way cory is demanding 6-7 mil is if he has one us the cup and if thats the case he would deserve it


If Schneider is a UFA too quickly for you, Luongo has a much longer contract and wont be a ufa in a while :bigblush:
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1 Pavel Bure

2 Markus Naslund

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4 Jonathan Drouin.

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http://bleacherrepor...d-top-prospects

combine results.  Ehlers 5'11 162 lbs of solid rock.  


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:50 PM

Schnieder + Schroeder for Couturier + Rinaldo

I dont care if thats an overpayment, but something needs to happen. Do something Gillis!
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:48 AM

I don't want Gillis to make a move that doesn't make sense for the team.

Make a deal, not for deal's sake, but something that improves the club in the now, and also in the future.

Lu moved --> makes sense. In a cap system, it makes sense financially to retain Schneids. This year has been crazy with the goaltending aspect. Next season. Needs to be Schneider starting 80 percent of the time. Luongo CANNOT be on this team by this time next year. I can't see Schneider staying in Vancouver, if he's being treated like this. 27 years old, and haven't been given the opportunities to be No. 1 goalie.

Trade Luongo. The longer this plays out, the bigger the mistake becomes by keeping Lu.

Gillis needs to move on it.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:43 AM

I've always preferred to see a Schneider trade, as it's sure to be a better return for the team. I also have a lot of faith in Luongo. There's no reason to think he won't give us more excellent goaltending for the next 5 years. Even the greatest goalies of all time get lit up every now and then. We shouldn't be so quick to discard our starter when it happens.

In 7 Canuck seasons, his GAA has always been within 2.11-2.57 and his SV% has always been within .913-.928. The only other goalies I can find with comparable numbers and consistency are Brodeur, Lundqvist and barely Rinne.

Ward doesn't measure up. Neither does Fleury, Kipper, Price, Miller, Backstrom and a tonne of others. Some goalies have hot seasons here and there (Mason, Elliott, Anderson), but to know that your 65-game starter is going to give you 40 wins, a 2.30 GAA and .920 SV% year after year after year is too valuable to give up.


You failed to mention Luongo's playoffs statistics, how do you feel about them?
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:50 AM

Cory Schneider trade thread 1.0

It'll be weird to see him go after thousands of luongo trade posts. Rightfully so tho, no point in trading away the face of our franchise and future hall of famer who still has five great years to come :)

ALL HAIL LUONGO!


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