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#391 smurf47

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:45 AM

You have been saying ridiculous things since the summer. And are upset that everything you said is wrong and that most likely we end up keeping Luongo. Just like I mentioned to you a long time ago when you said he would be traded. Don't make me dredge up your old posts from the summer but I will if needed.

In fact I already took some time so lets look back at some of smurf47 comments...


smurf47, on 10 May 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:
A midget goalie playing for the Canucks could have got us into the playoffs. Lou was middle of the pack on a first place team...hardly stats that impart confidence on the team or fans

smurf47, on 05 July 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:
Having both goalies wanting to be #1 is too much distraction on the team. Lou won;t stay and play second fiddle to Schneider. I really can;t see Lou here come September. He can taste Florida


smurf47, on 06 July 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:
I no particular order except Smith who I believe is tops
Smith
Lundqvist
Rinne
Schneider
Halak
Elliot
Rask
Quick
Price
Kipper


smurf47, on 06 July 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:
Gee...guess you didn't listen to Luongo on radio this morning...he says hes gone....kiss yur boy goodbye...

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Well gee smurf47. Lu is still here and it could very well be Schneider who gets traded. Luongo has also played just as good if not better THIS year and will continue to get starts....

Despite your bias against him...

Of course Lou is still here...I felt for sure he would be traded but MG asked too much and blew the opportunity but Look at lou's stats 32nd in SP after starting the season near the top. His stats are worse than Schneiders this year as they were last year. Love Lou if you want but hes no longer in the elite class and his stats reflect that opinion. Two goalies imo is a distraction.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:47 AM

What about the rest of his point that the team wasn't there for the series. You're right losing in 4 feels the same as losing in 7 but that comment kind of skirts the actual point he was trying to make.

These weak arguments from you and Smurf are entertaining but the run around is getting a bit old. Saying just enough right things that you ignore having to actually address the main point doesn't really cut it as a response don't you think?

The difference here sir..is that Riviera and I were both goalies and as such have a far better understanding than most on this site, but do tell, what is the main point in your opinion.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:55 AM

The difference here sir..is that Riviera and I were both goalies and as such have a far better understanding than most on this site, but do tell, what is the main point in your opinion.


Or at least you both say you were.

Whether you were goalies or not it doesn't explain the piss poor arguments. Picking and choosing pieces of posts and ignoring other things probably isn't something you learned in goalie school. Sure that can help form your opinion but I don't care about your opinion and I wouldn't argue to change your opinion.

Have you ever backed up that you were a goalie or are a goalie coach? I remember you mentioning that you played with Roenick didn't you?

Also are you implying that if somebody was a goalie they automatically have more knowledge. I have a friend who played a fairly high level who would disagree with you that Luongo is more or less trash or that a midget goaltender could have gotten us to the finals.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:23 PM

Of course Lou is still here...I felt for sure he would be traded but MG asked too much and blew the opportunity but Look at lou's stats 32nd in SP after starting the season near the top. His stats are worse than Schneiders this year as they were last year. Love Lou if you want but hes no longer in the elite class and his stats reflect that opinion. Two goalies imo is a distraction.


I thought Lu could 'taste Florida' and you - among others - wrongly predicted his departure long ago.

But now conveniently knew he wouldn't be traded...

Right... Lol
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:39 PM

I thought Lu could 'taste Florida' and you - among others - wrongly predicted his departure long ago.

But now conveniently knew he wouldn't be traded...

Right... Lol


C'mon Ed he used to be a goalie which automatically makes him smarter than any of us about anything to do with hockey.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:03 PM

The difference here sir..is that Riviera and I were both goalies and as such have a far better understanding than most on this site, but do tell, what is the main point in your opinion.


The technicality of goaltending.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 05:45 PM

The technicality of goaltending.

opinions from the peanut gallery...and no...never said I played with Roenick...but did play against derek sanderson..I don;t cherry pick stats etc..and don;t comment on trade values or many other topics on this forum...I keep to what I know...none of your arguements refute my points of view or offer alternatives...I also still believe Lou is a bonified NHL goalie..just not elite...and with too many chinks in his armour. His stats are now, for the second season in a row, worse than Schneiders. Deny, deny but its pointless.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 05:58 PM

C'mon Ed he used to be a goalie which automatically makes him smarter than any of us about anything to do with hockey.


Oh snap! A goalie? Well then it all makes sense to me now.

Edited by Special Ed, 20 March 2013 - 08:14 PM.

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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:13 PM

opinions from the peanut gallery...and no...never said I played with Roenick...but did play against derek sanderson..I don;t cherry pick stats etc..and don;t comment on trade values or many other topics on this forum...I keep to what I know...none of your arguements refute my points of view or offer alternatives...I also still believe Lou is a bonified NHL goalie..just not elite...and with too many chinks in his armour. His stats are now, for the second season in a row, worse than Schneiders. Deny, deny but its pointless.


And that is exactly what you provide. Opinions from the peanut gallery.

Who's book was it you were commenting on. You had made a joke about not being in it even though you had played with them or against them.

Also I don't need to refute your opinions...you just need to accept that they are just opinions.You don't really share much knowledge about what you know. You just say something generic and then spout off about being a goalie and/or a goalie coach. Me think the lady doth protest too much....ok that doesn't really fit but change the word protest with the word boast and it sort of works.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

???

Did he or did he not just show that his numbers in the playoffs are practically the same as in the regular season?


Slightly worse but yes, practically the same. Is that a good thing? Typically an elite goaltender's stats will improve in the playoffs, not decline.
Think of it this way, 700+ regular season games compared to 61 in the playoffs and his numbers are practically the same. Aren't stats usually better in a small sample size (comparatively)? Also, if you remove Luongo's 1 excellent playoff in 2007 those playoff stats wouldn't even be close to the same as his regular season career.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:25 PM

Slightly worse but yes, practically the same. Is that a good thing? Typically an elite goaltender's stats will improve in the playoffs, not decline.
Think of it this way, 700+ regular season games compared to 61 in the playoffs and his numbers are practically the same. Aren't stats usually better in a small sample size (comparatively)? Also, if you remove Luongo's 1 excellent playoff in 2007 those playoff stats wouldn't even be close to the same as his regular season career.


Typically they'll improve. I'd be curious to see anything to back up the claim of that being "typical".

and no stats aren't necessarily better in a smaller sample size.

Also It wasn't JR's book it was Sandersons book Smurf was talking about. My bad but it was in the thread about JR's book.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:29 PM

The difference here sir..is that Riviera and I were both goalies and as such have a far better understanding than most on this site, but do tell, what is the main point in your opinion.

Also a goalie. Can you break down from a goalie perspective what leads you to believe that Luongo is not a great goalie? I don't want a list of bad games or some nonsense that he was the reason we didn't win the cup. Fundamentally how has he degenerated in your "expert" opinion?
Just a word of caution before you proceed. Johnny Bower thinks Luongo is easily in the top 50 of all-time. Also, because stats can be taken out of context to attempt to prove what we want, let's refrain from using small sample sizes and just stick to overall stats:

Luongo is a two-time NHL Second All-Star (2004 and 2007) and a winner of the William M. Jennings Trophy for backstopping his team to the lowest goals-against average in the league (2011; with backup Cory Schneider). He has additionally been a finalist for the Vezina Trophy as the league's best goaltender (2004, 2007 and 2011), the Lester B. Pearson Award as the top player voted by his peers (2004 and 2007) and the Hart Memorial Trophy as the league's most valuable player (2007).

Internationally, Luongo won a silver medal at the 1999 World Junior Championships, while being named Best Goaltender in his second tournament appearance. Luongo has won two gold medals at the 2003 and 2004 World Championships and a silver in the 2005 World Championships. He also won the 2004 World Cup championship and appeared in the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin as a backup to Martin Brodeur in both instances. He succeeded Brodeur as Canada's starting goaltender during the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver, winning a gold medal.


NHL totals 727 339 283 33 50 41689 1749 60 2.52 .919

NHL totals 59 32 27 3599 150 5. 2.50 1804 .917

Most shots faced in a single season – 2,488 in 2005–06 (surpassed himself, 2,475 in 2003–04)[183]
Most shots faced in a single playoff game – 76 on April 11, 2007[69]
Most home games played in a single season – 41 in 2006–07
Most regular season overtime wins, all-time – 49 (as of 2008–09)
Florida Panthers
Longest shutout streak – 144:51 minutes in 2002–03[39]
Most shutouts in a season – 7 in 2003–04 (surpassed himself, six shutouts in 2002–03; tied with Tomáš Vokoun, 2009–10)[38]
Most wins in a season – 35 in 2005–06 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 27 wins in 1996–97)[51]
Most games played in a season – 75 in 2005–06 (surpassed himself, 72 games played in 2003–04)[184]
Most games played all-time – 318[185]
Most wins all-time – 108 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 106 wins)[49]
Most shutouts all-time – 26 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 13 shutouts)[186]
Vancouver Canucks
Most saves in a single game – 72 on April 11, 2007[69]
Longest shutout streak – 242:36 minutes (2008–09) (surpassed himself, 184:20 minutes in 2007–08)[72][79]
Most wins in a season – 47 in 2006–07 (surpassed Kirk McLean, 38 in 1991–92)[64]
Most games played in a season – 75 in 2006–07 (surpassed Gary Smith, 72 in 1974–75)[187]
Most shutouts in a season – 9 in 2008–09 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 7 in 2001–02)[86]
Lowest GAA in a season - 2.11 in 2010–11 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 2.27 in 2003–04)[115]
Most shutouts all-time – 33 (surpassed Kirk McLean, 20)[99]
Most wins all-time - 224 (after end of 2011-2012 season; surpassed Kirk McLean, 211)[188]

I am very much looking forward to your already predictable response sir.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

Also a goalie. Can you break down from a goalie perspective what leads you to believe that Luongo is not a great goalie? I don't want a list of bad games or some nonsense that he was the reason we didn't win the cup. Fundamentally how has he degenerated in your "expert" opinion?
Just a word of caution before you proceed. Johnny Bower thinks Luongo is easily in the top 50 of all-time. Also, because stats can be taken out of context to attempt to prove what we want, let's refrain from using small sample sizes and just stick to overall stats:

Luongo is a two-time NHL Second All-Star (2004 and 2007) and a winner of the William M. Jennings Trophy for backstopping his team to the lowest goals-against average in the league (2011; with backup Cory Schneider). He has additionally been a finalist for the Vezina Trophy as the league's best goaltender (2004, 2007 and 2011), the Lester B. Pearson Award as the top player voted by his peers (2004 and 2007) and the Hart Memorial Trophy as the league's most valuable player (2007).

Internationally, Luongo won a silver medal at the 1999 World Junior Championships, while being named Best Goaltender in his second tournament appearance. Luongo has won two gold medals at the 2003 and 2004 World Championships and a silver in the 2005 World Championships. He also won the 2004 World Cup championship and appeared in the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin as a backup to Martin Brodeur in both instances. He succeeded Brodeur as Canada's starting goaltender during the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver, winning a gold medal.


NHL totals 727 339 283 33 50 41689 1749 60 2.52 .919

NHL totals 59 32 27 3599 150 5. 2.50 1804 .917

Most shots faced in a single season – 2,488 in 2005–06 (surpassed himself, 2,475 in 2003–04)[183]
Most shots faced in a single playoff game – 76 on April 11, 2007[69]
Most home games played in a single season – 41 in 2006–07
Most regular season overtime wins, all-time – 49 (as of 2008–09)
Florida Panthers
Longest shutout streak – 144:51 minutes in 2002–03[39]
Most shutouts in a season – 7 in 2003–04 (surpassed himself, six shutouts in 2002–03; tied with Tomáš Vokoun, 2009–10)[38]
Most wins in a season – 35 in 2005–06 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 27 wins in 1996–97)[51]
Most games played in a season – 75 in 2005–06 (surpassed himself, 72 games played in 2003–04)[184]
Most games played all-time – 318[185]
Most wins all-time – 108 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 106 wins)[49]
Most shutouts all-time – 26 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 13 shutouts)[186]
Vancouver Canucks
Most saves in a single game – 72 on April 11, 2007[69]
Longest shutout streak – 242:36 minutes (2008–09) (surpassed himself, 184:20 minutes in 2007–08)[72][79]
Most wins in a season – 47 in 2006–07 (surpassed Kirk McLean, 38 in 1991–92)[64]
Most games played in a season – 75 in 2006–07 (surpassed Gary Smith, 72 in 1974–75)[187]
Most shutouts in a season – 9 in 2008–09 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 7 in 2001–02)[86]
Lowest GAA in a season - 2.11 in 2010–11 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 2.27 in 2003–04)[115]
Most shutouts all-time – 33 (surpassed Kirk McLean, 20)[99]
Most wins all-time - 224 (after end of 2011-2012 season; surpassed Kirk McLean, 211)[188]

I am very much looking forward to your already predictable response sir.




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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:35 PM

Also a goalie. Can you break down from a goalie perspective what leads you to believe that Luongo is not a great goalie? I don't want a list of bad games or some nonsense that he was the reason we didn't win the cup. Fundamentally how has he degenerated in your "expert" opinion?
Just a word of caution before you proceed. Johnny Bower thinks Luongo is easily in the top 50 of all-time. Also, because stats can be taken out of context to attempt to prove what we want, let's refrain from using small sample sizes and just stick to overall stats:

Luongo is a two-time NHL Second All-Star (2004 and 2007) and a winner of the William M. Jennings Trophy for backstopping his team to the lowest goals-against average in the league (2011; with backup Cory Schneider). He has additionally been a finalist for the Vezina Trophy as the league's best goaltender (2004, 2007 and 2011), the Lester B. Pearson Award as the top player voted by his peers (2004 and 2007) and the Hart Memorial Trophy as the league's most valuable player (2007).

Internationally, Luongo won a silver medal at the 1999 World Junior Championships, while being named Best Goaltender in his second tournament appearance. Luongo has won two gold medals at the 2003 and 2004 World Championships and a silver in the 2005 World Championships. He also won the 2004 World Cup championship and appeared in the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin as a backup to Martin Brodeur in both instances. He succeeded Brodeur as Canada's starting goaltender during the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver, winning a gold medal.


NHL totals 727 339 283 33 50 41689 1749 60 2.52 .919

NHL totals 59 32 27 3599 150 5. 2.50 1804 .917

Most shots faced in a single season – 2,488 in 2005–06 (surpassed himself, 2,475 in 2003–04)[183]
Most shots faced in a single playoff game – 76 on April 11, 2007[69]
Most home games played in a single season – 41 in 2006–07
Most regular season overtime wins, all-time – 49 (as of 2008–09)
Florida Panthers
Longest shutout streak – 144:51 minutes in 2002–03[39]
Most shutouts in a season – 7 in 2003–04 (surpassed himself, six shutouts in 2002–03; tied with Tomáš Vokoun, 2009–10)[38]
Most wins in a season – 35 in 2005–06 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 27 wins in 1996–97)[51]
Most games played in a season – 75 in 2005–06 (surpassed himself, 72 games played in 2003–04)[184]
Most games played all-time – 318[185]
Most wins all-time – 108 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 106 wins)[49]
Most shutouts all-time – 26 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 13 shutouts)[186]
Vancouver Canucks
Most saves in a single game – 72 on April 11, 2007[69]
Longest shutout streak – 242:36 minutes (2008–09) (surpassed himself, 184:20 minutes in 2007–08)[72][79]
Most wins in a season – 47 in 2006–07 (surpassed Kirk McLean, 38 in 1991–92)[64]
Most games played in a season – 75 in 2006–07 (surpassed Gary Smith, 72 in 1974–75)[187]
Most shutouts in a season – 9 in 2008–09 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 7 in 2001–02)[86]
Lowest GAA in a season - 2.11 in 2010–11 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 2.27 in 2003–04)[115]
Most shutouts all-time – 33 (surpassed Kirk McLean, 20)[99]
Most wins all-time - 224 (after end of 2011-2012 season; surpassed Kirk McLean, 211)[188]

I am very much looking forward to your already predictable response sir.

Its obvious by your epilogue here that you have your own opinions, so, would be a waste of time to share mine.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:37 PM

Its obvious by your epilogue here that you have your own opinions, so, would be a waste of time to share mine.


Thank you from proving exactly what I've been saying.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:12 PM

Typically they'll improve. I'd be curious to see anything to back up the claim of that being "typical".

and no stats aren't necessarily better in a smaller sample size.


Also It wasn't JR's book it was Sandersons book Smurf was talking about. My bad but it was in the thread about JR's book.


Well have a look at the career stats of current and former elite goaltenders. I'm sure if you do you'll notice that their overall playoff stats are at least a little better compared to their regular season career.

Your'e right, stats aren't necessarily better in a sample size but they quite often are (one of the knocks on Cory Schneider).
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:17 PM

If Gillis is gonna trade Schneider he better do it quickly. Any team giving up a lot for him is gonna wanna have him for a couple years at 4 million. He would hold a lot more value if he was an RFA at the end of his contract but he's not. Any team who acquires him has no guarantee hell resign. If we decide were gonna keep him then they better move Lu before he gets fed up with our team and leaves for nothing. There's just too many goalies available to make either lu or Cory fetch a ransom. I think the faster MG moves on a trade the better off well be.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:36 PM

Also a goalie. Can you break down from a goalie perspective what leads you to believe that Luongo is not a great goalie? I don't want a list of bad games or some nonsense that he was the reason we didn't win the cup. Fundamentally how has he degenerated in your "expert" opinion?
Just a word of caution before you proceed. Johnny Bower thinks Luongo is easily in the top 50 of all-time. Also, because stats can be taken out of context to attempt to prove what we want, let's refrain from using small sample sizes and just stick to overall stats:

Luongo is a two-time NHL Second All-Star (2004 and 2007) and a winner of the William M. Jennings Trophy for backstopping his team to the lowest goals-against average in the league (2011; with backup Cory Schneider). He has additionally been a finalist for the Vezina Trophy as the league's best goaltender (2004, 2007 and 2011), the Lester B. Pearson Award as the top player voted by his peers (2004 and 2007) and the Hart Memorial Trophy as the league's most valuable player (2007).

Internationally, Luongo won a silver medal at the 1999 World Junior Championships, while being named Best Goaltender in his second tournament appearance. Luongo has won two gold medals at the 2003 and 2004 World Championships and a silver in the 2005 World Championships. He also won the 2004 World Cup championship and appeared in the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin as a backup to Martin Brodeur in both instances. He succeeded Brodeur as Canada's starting goaltender during the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver, winning a gold medal.


NHL totals 727 339 283 33 50 41689 1749 60 2.52 .919

NHL totals 59 32 27 3599 150 5. 2.50 1804 .917

Most shots faced in a single season – 2,488 in 2005–06 (surpassed himself, 2,475 in 2003–04)[183]
Most shots faced in a single playoff game – 76 on April 11, 2007[69]
Most home games played in a single season – 41 in 2006–07
Most regular season overtime wins, all-time – 49 (as of 2008–09)
Florida Panthers
Longest shutout streak – 144:51 minutes in 2002–03[39]
Most shutouts in a season – 7 in 2003–04 (surpassed himself, six shutouts in 2002–03; tied with Tomáš Vokoun, 2009–10)[38]
Most wins in a season – 35 in 2005–06 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 27 wins in 1996–97)[51]
Most games played in a season – 75 in 2005–06 (surpassed himself, 72 games played in 2003–04)[184]
Most games played all-time – 318[185]
Most wins all-time – 108 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 106 wins)[49]
Most shutouts all-time – 26 (surpassed John Vanbiesbrouck, 13 shutouts)[186]
Vancouver Canucks
Most saves in a single game – 72 on April 11, 2007[69]
Longest shutout streak – 242:36 minutes (2008–09) (surpassed himself, 184:20 minutes in 2007–08)[72][79]
Most wins in a season – 47 in 2006–07 (surpassed Kirk McLean, 38 in 1991–92)[64]
Most games played in a season – 75 in 2006–07 (surpassed Gary Smith, 72 in 1974–75)[187]
Most shutouts in a season – 9 in 2008–09 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 7 in 2001–02)[86]
Lowest GAA in a season - 2.11 in 2010–11 (surpassed Dan Cloutier – 2.27 in 2003–04)[115]
Most shutouts all-time – 33 (surpassed Kirk McLean, 20)[99]
Most wins all-time - 224 (after end of 2011-2012 season; surpassed Kirk McLean, 211)[188]

I am very much looking forward to your already predictable response sir.


Exactly my point. Luongo is a gifted player - a born natural to play the goaltending position who's worked hard to actualize most of his great potential, and is only one step away from realizing his full potential (winning a Stanley Cup).

Schneider is a classic case of someone who works extremely hard to get to where he is. He is not as gifted as Luongo and does not have the natural instincts that Luongo has for the game. However, what he lacks in natural talent, he makes up with technique that has been studied and proven as stable over time.

Luongo, on a given night, can take over a game due to his natural talent. Schneider does not have the next level, or that extra gear to his game. What you see, is what you get.

The thing is, you will not come across a goaltender like Luongo very often - ones that are naturally talented and have built up a pedigree that he has - but you will come across a goaltender like Schneider more often than not. Hell, we have two that could become just as good in our system in Eddie Lack and Joe Cannata.

That's why we can't give Luongo up. He is a special player and was 1 win away from it all. I think he still has it in him for the next 3-5 years to take us all the way - during which time Lack and Cannata will be on par with Schneider. We should use Schneider to get us an key player that will push us over the hump.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:41 PM

Well have a look at the career stats of current and former elite goaltenders. I'm sure if you do you'll notice that their overall playoff stats are at least a little better compared to their regular season career.

Your'e right, stats aren't necessarily better in a sample size but they quite often are (one of the knocks on Cory Schneider).


Yeah I would say with a lot of those guys you see slight differences. Broduer, Roy Hasek all have slightly better stats but if we're talking about slight statistical changes between the regular season and the playoffs I not sure the strength of that argument especially when this all started when you were trying to disregard somebody who was talking about what Luongo gives us in the regular season.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:59 PM

Slightly worse but yes, practically the same. Is that a good thing? Typically an elite goaltender's stats will improve in the playoffs, not decline.
Think of it this way, 700+ regular season games compared to 61 in the playoffs and his numbers are practically the same. Aren't stats usually better in a small sample size (comparatively)? Also, if you remove Luongo's 1 excellent playoff in 2007 those playoff stats wouldn't even be close to the same as his regular season career.


No, this is not the case. In a short sample size you will see more volatile results, but those results could be either good or bad.

For example, Kassian opened the season shooting something like 44% over 6 or 7 games. Booth shot almost 0% over 8 games. Neither of those numbers represented their true talent, obviously.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:51 AM

The difference here sir..is that Riviera and I were both goalies and as such have a far better understanding than most on this site, but do tell, what is the main point in your opinion.


did you play in the NHL? no, so nobody cares. you aren't pros or experts on the subject
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:37 AM

Yeah I would say with a lot of those guys you see slight differences. Broduer, Roy Hasek all have slightly better stats but if we're talking about slight statistical changes between the regular season and the playoffs I not sure the strength of that argument especially when this all started when you were trying to disregard somebody who was talking about what Luongo gives us in the regular season.


We all know that Luongo can be excellent in the regular season, that's not the point. It is in the playoffs when he falters.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:50 AM

We all know that Luongo can be excellent in the regular season, that's not the point. It is in the playoffs when he falters.


And yet...the stats are practically the same. I mean you two just get stuck without an argument and go back to this prefab'd list of statements.

If you can't argue your points why bother making them?


I mean are you really going to argue that he's a different goalie in the playoffs than he is in the regular season? If you are I not only have to question if you've ever played hockey at all but if you've ever watched a canucks game.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:12 AM

We all know that Luongo can be excellent in the regular season, that's not the point. It is in the playoffs when he falters.

.. 8 goals... in 7 games. Luongo shut out boston twice.

carrying a team in the finals is a heavy burden.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:24 AM

So, to sum up the last few pages: some people have an opinion and others have another. They don't always match but rather clash, and people who seem to be equally qualified as goalies are on either side, along with others of varying hockey knowledge. We'll get along fine without having to agree.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:14 AM

did you play in the NHL? no, so nobody cares. you aren't pros or experts on the subject

Your deductive reasoning is pathetic !!
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:28 AM

Its obvious by your epilogue here that you have your own opinions, so, would be a waste of time to share mine.

Translation = If I am not allowed to make up my own facts then I can't possibly argue my point. Thank you for proving yourself as nothing but another blowhard.

Should have thought about the "waste of time" before you shared your drivel in the first place.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:05 AM

Translation = If I am not allowed to make up my own facts then I can't possibly argue my point. Thank you for proving yourself as nothing but another blowhard.

Should have thought about the "waste of time" before you shared your drivel in the first place.

No where have I said Lou has not had a admirable career or have I said I'm a Lou hater. I admire a lot about him, teamwise, work ethic and dedication. What I have said is that hes not the same goalie he was. His stats last season were middle of the pack on a President;s Cup team. He started the season well after working with Allaire and reported on what technical issues he worked on. Balance over his skates, patience, rebound control, and it was working. He is not, at present, instituting those improvements and I have said, has a difficulty in integrating change into his game. Under pressure he reverts to old habits. All goaltenders give up goals, and sometimes weak ones. Lou still has problems in the butterfly and does not seal off the bottom of the net well enough. His rebound control is poor , his lateral movement is a weakness. His stats are on decline over the past two seasons and I believe its due to technical issues.I would dearly like to see him improve but not sure he will. Whether or not his fans agree with me is of no concern to me. Lou has stated the same techn ical issues I have written about. If you are a goalie of any value, surely you recognize his flaws. Schneider on the other hand is technically far superior and thus, more consistant.The Canucks need to decide whic goalie to embrace.Thats my position and beliefs and stick by them and feel no need to defend it.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:38 AM

So, to sum up the last few pages: some people have an opinion and others have another. They don't always match but rather clash, and people who seem to be equally qualified as goalies are on either side, along with others of varying hockey knowledge. We'll get along fine without having to agree.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:09 PM

Sorry for not wanting to look thru 14 pages, but does anyone know which teams have been calling about Schneider?
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