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#31 Pears

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:41 PM

How would u change it

Taking our best D man out of it should be the obvious change
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:43 PM

anyone else get the feeling gillis is just going to crack and sell off everything and start from scratch? I fell like as soon as one move happens everyone goes in a torrent of activity.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

Taking our best D man out of it should be the obvious change


Caps fan would say : taking our franchise center should be obvious

U can't offer them junk for a guy like backstrom
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:54 PM

I would like to see a trade with WSH including Forsberg or a trade with NYI including Reinhart.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:56 PM

Without Schneider, Luongo is back under the gun and we all know how that story goes.


Schneider is under the gun right now, look how that's going, and if we trade Luongo he'll be under it even more cause we will no longer have Luongo to step in if he plays like crap

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:58 PM

you've done no more than anyone else..........there is absolutely nothing to suggest that once Schneids is gone that Lu would not fall back into the same complacency and experience the same meltdowns as he has every other year except the first year he was here


there's nothing to suggest he will either, it's all opinion
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:59 PM

I would like to see a trade with WSH including Forsberg or a trade with NYI including Reinhart.

That's what I've been saying. Or at least thinking. Among other things.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:01 PM

Caps fan would say : taking our franchise center should be obvious

U can't offer them junk for a guy like backstrom

Washington's goals against are in the bottom 5 in the NHL and Luongo or Schneider would improve their GA. Washington has depth at center (Backstrom, Ribiero, Johansson, Perrault, Hendricks, Beagle) so they could move Backstrom and not be weak down the middle.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:01 PM

Hamonic the top four defenceman. RH shot.

Schneider + Ballard (we take half his cap) + 4th round pick
Hamonic + Nielsen.

any day.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:01 PM

Schneider + booth/Ray + hamhuis
For
Neuvy + poti/hamrlik(both Ufa) + backstrom.

I would prefer to keep raymond
Backstrom can center ... move kes to wing... he would do wonders with bwckstrom feeding him


No. That's overpayment for something we don't need.

You're giving up Hamhuis, who is one of our best D men, a highly touted starting goalie, and a second line player for a very talented centerman who's dealt with injuries, a Dman with an expiring contract, and a back up.

Now consider the fact that Backstrom has a 6.7M cap hit until 2018, we already have a center in Ryan Kesler who will be slotting back into the lineup, and that we'd still have to replace Hamhuis and either Booth or Raymond. All this with the cap going down.

We'd be dumping a bunch of salary for a player who is redundant positionally, a D man who is worse than the one we've given up, and a relatively cheap goalie. If you think about it in terms of value Neuvy/Poti/Hamrlik aren't worth all that much so you're giving up Hamhuis/Schneider/Booth or Raymond for Backstrom. We lose that trade every time.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

NYI
Kesler
Schneider
1st

VAN
Tavares

OR

WPG
Schneider

VAN
Byfuglien
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:05 PM

No. That's overpayment for something we don't need.

You're giving up Hamhuis, who is one of our best D men, a highly touted starting goalie, and a second line player for a very talented centerman who's dealt with injuries, a Dman with an expiring contract, and a back up.

Now consider the fact that Backstrom has 6.7M cap hit until 2018, we already have a center in Ryan Kesler who will be slotting back into the lineup, and that we'd still have to replace Hamhuis and either Booth or Raymond.

We'd be dumping a bunch of salary for a player who is redundant positionally, a D man who is worse than the one we've given up, and a relatively cheap goalie. If you think about it in terms of value Neuvy/Poti/Hamrlik aren't worth all that much so you're giving up Hamhuis/Schneider/Booth or Raymond for Backstrom. We lose that trade every time.


Hmmm u make some good points. If we were to get backstrom I would permanently see kes on the wing.

Maybe we can get caps to keep 1mill oof his salary? And change up the dmen in the trade?
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

I wonder if we could snag Filip Forsberg AND Tom Wilson for Schneider + Schroeder. That would add so much size to our team. Both over 200lbs and 6'1 and 6'4.

Our forward pool would be fully stocked adding them to other prospects like Jensen and Gaunce.

Except we would have to fire AV so they actually get some ice time.

Edited by Lockhart, 28 February 2013 - 01:09 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:11 PM

Well guys, Mike Gillis might be have been negotiating through the media, but he also got a lot of calls in regards to Luongo. We'll see what happens.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:13 PM

Hmmm u make some good points. If we were to get backstrom I would permanently see kes on the wing.

Maybe we can get caps to keep 1mill oof his salary? And change up the dmen in the trade?

It could work if you put Kes on the wing, but you've also got to consider that you've got the Caps giving up their #1 center and they would have to replace him as well. If the Caps were to trade Backstrom they would be exchanging one hole in their lineup for another. Their net would be solidified but they would have even more questions up front. If the Caps were to want Schneider they would be better off offering a package of picks and prospects. They just re-signed Holtby as well so they may not feel as if they desperately need to make a move for a goalie.

They are second to last in their conference, which I'd consider an anomaly. I don't know if they're desperate enough to give up a high caliber roster player just yet.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:25 PM

^ Backstrom isn't the type of player I want. We need more bull in china shop type players. Plus his cap hit is too high.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:29 PM

^ Backstrom isn't the type of player I want. We need more bull in china shop type players. Plus his cap hit is too high.

He's not my type of player either, and I'm not sure his success would carry over to the western conference. If we trade Schneider I'd either want picks and prospects or a player who adds talent/toughness and one of the two to our lineup.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:29 PM

Luongo has the better stats and we need secondary scoring. Trade Schneider.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:35 PM

At this point I don't care which goalie goes... I just want some flippin closure on this situation.

Pros and Cons to moving either goalie, so just move one.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:37 PM

Well guys, Mike Gillis might be have been negotiating through the media, but he also got a lot of calls in regards to Luongo. We'll see what happens.


I can bet Gillis is receiving at least three times the amount of calls concerning Schneider as he's receiving concerning Luongo. Up to three teams MIGHT be interested in Luongo's contract and that, for peanut returns, thereby nagating the prospects of a Luongo trade.

Under Burke, Toronto has said they're not interested. under Nonis, with their team having relative success, they're most likely not interested still. Florida has said they're not interested, Washington was pissed to see Gillis in town.

Nash might have been made available by Columbus but either Schneider was not available by the Canucks or Nash refused to waive his NTC to come to the Canucks. Yzerman is waiting for Schneider. Tallon is waiting for Schneider. In Winnipeg, Schneider was a fan favorite. Boston got rid of Thomas while Schneider is from the area. Edmonton would most likely pay a hefty ransom for Schneider, as well as Colorado and Calgary. The NYI have Nabokov and Thomas but both are in their twilight of their careers while demoting DiPietro to the minors, so Schneider could fit there too. Those are only the teams that are either struggling hard or are on the bubble for the playoffs who might benefit from a goaltending change and subsequently push for a playoff spot.

Luongo has an NTC, thereby having the right to veto any trade. Therefore, the pickings are slim in either the GM of said team refuses to acquire the contract and/ or Luongo refuses the said destination.

Advantage Canucks since they get to keep one of the best goaltenders to ever play the game while fielding offers for a young up and coming goaltender who would bring in a higher return due to coatractual term.

I like Gillis' patience.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 28 February 2013 - 01:54 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

^ I like Gillis' patience too, but at the same time we were reportedly offered Schenn and Kadri for Lu. I don't know about Schenn, but Kadri sure is looking good this year.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:06 PM

Luo is good but Schneider is going to be a super star. The guy has the athleticism, skill and quickness to make game changing saves. I`m not dissing Luo, but he doesn`t have the potential that Schneider does.

That said, the logistics of it might be factor as well. Perhaps Luo stays, they acquire top young talent in other positions and develop another young goal tender. Could Lack develop into something Schneider? Tough to say.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

Luo is good but Schneider is going to be a super star. The guy has the athleticism, skill and quickness to make game changing saves. I`m not dissing Luo, but he doesn`t have the potential that Schneider does.

That said, the logistics of it might be factor as well. Perhaps Luo stays, they acquire top young talent in other positions and develop another young goal tender. Could Lack develop into something Schneider? Tough to say.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

NYI
Kesler
Schneider
1st

VAN
Tavares

OR

WPG
Schneider

VAN
Byfuglien


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:56 PM

Schneider Ballard Schroeder for Ovechkin. There. Franchise power forward. Sedins laying the puck for Ovechkin on a pillow
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

Schneider Ballard Schroeder for Ovechkin. There. Franchise power forward. Sedins laying the puck for Ovechkin on a pillow

Swap Schroeder for a 1st and Raymond then I'm down. Then sign O'Reilly to an offer sheet

Healthy line up

Sedin - Sedin - Ovechkin
Burrows - O'Reilly - Kesler
Kassian - Schroeder - Booth
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Barker - Tanev

Luongo

And then I woke up

Edited by Steven Stamkos' Mullet, 28 February 2013 - 03:02 PM.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:09 PM

Swap Schroeder for a 1st and Raymond then I'm down. Then sign O'Reilly to an offer sheet

Healthy line up

Sedin - Sedin - Ovechkin
Burrows - O'Reilly - Kesler
Kassian - Schroeder - Booth
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Barker - Tanev

Luongo

And then I woke up




and our salary cap exploded
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:12 PM

If Schneider goes all I can hope for is a good young goalie prospect to be coming back in return.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

There's one line in that about Gillis receiving calls for Schneider and the rest is speculation on how it would work and the return each could get. Not a lot in it, especially since it doesn't name any specific teams, how many teams are calling, or even when they've been calling.

Gillis' radio interview from a little bit back did say he hadn't been fielding any offers for Schneider of late, but perhaps that's changed. When more detail comes out I'll pay more attention, but until then, it's a pretty mild rumour.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:24 PM

Swap Schroeder for a 1st and Raymond then I'm down. Then sign O'Reilly to an offer sheet

Healthy line up

Sedin - Sedin - Ovechkin
Burrows - O'Reilly - Kesler
Kassian - Schroeder - Booth
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Barker - Tanev

Luongo

And then I woke up


not only that, Ovechkin can play the point on the powerplay and he is a right handed shot. Kesler can't play the point.
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