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#631 Italia2006

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:19 PM

Your the one who said we can get this future star. Cory has high trade value but in order to get his true value you need a team willing to pay that price. Just because cory is an upgrade to a teams current goalie doesn't mean they'd be willing to sell the farm to acquire him.

The way you're making it sound is like no team in the NHL could use a goalie. The 3 teams I named could use it. Brobosky has played great but lets see how the rest of his year goes. New Jersey needs to start thinking about what they're going to do after next year. Good goalies don't just come by every day. Winnipeg has one of the worst goals against. They have a rich owner and they can afford to spend some money. I'm sure we could agree that Pavelec isn't in the same ball park as Schneider.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:34 PM

The way you're making it sound is like no team in the NHL could use a goalie. The 3 teams I named could use it. Brobosky has played great but lets see how the rest of his year goes. New Jersey needs to start thinking about what they're going to do after next year. Good goalies don't just come by every day. Winnipeg has one of the worst goals against. They have a rich owner and they can afford to spend some money. I'm sure we could agree that Pavelec isn't in the same ball park as Schneider.


I agree cory is a better goalie than Pavelec, but is WPG a better team with Cory in net minus Kane? Not only that what are they going to do with having Pavelec signed with a cap hit at 3.9 million till 2016? Buy him out? Trade him for scraps? So in essence your saying Cory's value is worth Kane and Pavelec.
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#633 Italia2006

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:38 PM

I agree cory is a better goalie than Pavelec, but is WPG a better team with Cory in net minus Kane? Not only that what are they going to do with having Pavelec signed with a cap hit at 3.9 million till 2016? Buy him out? Trade him for scraps? So in essence your saying Cory's value is worth Kane and Pavelec.

Trade Pavelec to Buffalo, Islanders or New Jersey. His price tag isn't that bad. If the Jets really wanted Schneider they could make it work. are they a better team with Corry in net? Good question. I'd say yes. Look what happens when a goalie stands on his head, you win 6 in a row.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:03 PM

PHI
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:05 PM

IF we trade Schneider, it will be for a ridiculous return. If I were Gillis I would push for Tavares, Streit and Neidereitter for Schneider, Ballard and the Canucks 2013 1st round draft pick.

I would prefer Kesler when he comes back to focus on the 3rd line C position and get back to his Selke form, and let Tavares anchor the 2nd line.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:06 PM

There's some freaking comic gold in this thread.

More please!
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:09 PM

Gagne and Khabibulin for Lu
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:12 PM

BWAHAHAHAHA!!

More please!!
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:24 PM

Franchise player for franchise player


lol @ putting Schneider is the same category as Tavares when it comes to Franchise players.

The Isles would be nothing without him, he's way more important to them than Schneids is to us
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 01:03 AM

lol @ putting Schneider is the same category as Tavares when it comes to Franchise players.

The Isles would be nothing without him, he's way more important to them than Schneids is to us

Yeah, we better be prepared to sweeten the pot with a Kevin Connauton if we want Tavares!
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 01:44 AM

Tavares is closer to Sidney Crosby in value than Cory Schneider...
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 01:53 AM

this page is on track to set some CDC lol records.
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 01:54 AM

So this fine evening, Cory Schneider allows two goals on two shots. He then gets promtly pulled out in favor of Luongo who hasn't played for a while and is as cold as the bench he's sitting on. Luongo allows two goals of his own, plays .500 but then shuts the door for th erest of the game.

When was the last time Luongo got pulled? AV usually keeps him in the game for the shelling he's getting, sometimes allowing 8 goals. We know. Why wouldn't AV pull Luongo and then is so fast in pulling Schneider out of the game even though Schneider has been standing on his head for the last five games?

To keep his numbers up? Why not do the same for Luongo when the guy was top 2-5 in sv% and GAA earlier this season? Is this about showcasing Schneider and not messing around with his present value? Stats do talk so 2 GA influences his numbers less than a 4 GA.

I guess we'll know by Thursday afternoon.
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 01:59 AM

It has nothing to do with numbers. Schneider's numbers do not matter.
If anything he'd avoid putting Luongo into a shelling when they're looking to move him. It really has nothing to do with either. It's a coacing decision.

It has to do with trying to wake up a sleeping team.

Edited by oldnews, 31 March 2013 - 02:01 AM.

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#645 Italia2006

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:51 AM

So this fine evening, Cory Schneider allows two goals on two shots. He then gets promtly pulled out in favor of Luongo who hasn't played for a while and is as cold as the bench he's sitting on. Luongo allows two goals of his own, plays .500 but then shuts the door for th erest of the game.

When was the last time Luongo got pulled? AV usually keeps him in the game for the shelling he's getting, sometimes allowing 8 goals. We know. Why wouldn't AV pull Luongo and then is so fast in pulling Schneider out of the game even though Schneider has been standing on his head for the last five games?

To keep his numbers up? Why not do the same for Luongo when the guy was top 2-5 in sv% and GAA earlier this season? Is this about showcasing Schneider and not messing around with his present value? Stats do talk so 2 GA influences his numbers less than a 4 GA.

I guess we'll know by Thursday afternoon.

That's an interesting way at looking at it. I never thought about that and it makes total sense. Great theory.
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:59 AM

So this fine evening, Cory Schneider allows two goals on two shots. He then gets promtly pulled out in favor of Luongo who hasn't played for a while and is as cold as the bench he's sitting on. Luongo allows two goals of his own, plays .500 but then shuts the door for th erest of the game.

When was the last time Luongo got pulled? AV usually keeps him in the game for the shelling he's getting, sometimes allowing 8 goals. We know. Why wouldn't AV pull Luongo and then is so fast in pulling Schneider out of the game even though Schneider has been standing on his head for the last five games?

To keep his numbers up? Why not do the same for Luongo when the guy was top 2-5 in sv% and GAA earlier this season? Is this about showcasing Schneider and not messing around with his present value? Stats do talk so 2 GA influences his numbers less than a 4 GA.

I guess we'll know by Thursday afternoon.

gaa actually goes by minutes if I'm not mistaken. So coreys gaa for last game only was approx 60. 2 g 2 mins for 60 mins equals 60. Correct me if Im wrong
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 07:03 AM

So this fine evening, Cory Schneider allows two goals on two shots. He then gets promtly pulled out in favor of Luongo who hasn't played for a while and is as cold as the bench he's sitting on. Luongo allows two goals of his own, plays .500 but then shuts the door for th erest of the game.

When was the last time Luongo got pulled? AV usually keeps him in the game for the shelling he's getting, sometimes allowing 8 goals. We know. Why wouldn't AV pull Luongo and then is so fast in pulling Schneider out of the game even though Schneider has been standing on his head for the last five games?

To keep his numbers up? Why not do the same for Luongo when the guy was top 2-5 in sv% and GAA earlier this season? Is this about showcasing Schneider and not messing around with his present value? Stats do talk so 2 GA influences his numbers less than a 4 GA.

I guess we'll know by Thursday afternoon.


umm...a save % of 0 doesn't help your stats their einstein... keep reaching and praying that Lou isn't going, I can't see how this delusion/denial is still there but ok can't tell a person in denial they are in denial, because they deny it, i get it.

if he wanted to keep schnieds stats up he would have left him in to get more shots so that is save % wouldn't be negatively affected downward.

he pulled him because the team was flat and needed a wake up...perhaps you should wake up as well
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 07:04 AM

That's an interesting way at looking at it. I never thought about that and it makes total sense. Great theory.


its actually a bad theory, if you have taken grade 7 math

i'll leave you two to figure out the rest
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:17 AM

So this fine evening, Cory Schneider allows two goals on two shots. He then gets promtly pulled out in favor of Luongo who hasn't played for a while and is as cold as the bench he's sitting on. Luongo allows two goals of his own, plays .500 but then shuts the door for th erest of the game.

When was the last time Luongo got pulled? AV usually keeps him in the game for the shelling he's getting, sometimes allowing 8 goals. We know. Why wouldn't AV pull Luongo and then is so fast in pulling Schneider out of the game even though Schneider has been standing on his head for the last five games?

To keep his numbers up? Why not do the same for Luongo when the guy was top 2-5 in sv% and GAA earlier this season? Is this about showcasing Schneider and not messing around with his present value? Stats do talk so 2 GA influences his numbers less than a 4 GA.

I guess we'll know by Thursday afternoon.


Av wouldn't have pulled luongo if he let in two goals in two shots. He woulda let him got shelled... that being said Cory has 1/10th of the experience luongo has so maybe he's just trying to protect him
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:30 PM

its actually a bad theory, if you have taken grade 7 math

i'll leave you two to figure out the rest


The Formula for GAA: multiply the number of goals allowed by 60 and divide by the total number of minutes played.
The Formula for sv%: Divide the number of saves made by the number of shots on goal. Work it out to 3 decimal places.

Schneider:
12GP - 2.23 GAA - .923sv%
44 goals X 60 / 1,186 = 2.225 (2.23 GAA)
525 saves / 569 shots against = 0.9226 (.923sv%)

Before yesterday's game:
11GP - 2.13 GAA - .925sv%
42 goals X 60 / 1,184 = 2.128 (2.13 GAA)
525 / 567 = 0.9926 (.925sv%)

If he were to have been kept in for all four goals, total 7:53 min, four shots by the 7:53 mark and then pulled:
12GP - 2.32 GAA - .915sv%
46 goals X 60 / 1,191 = 2.317 (2.32 GAA)
523 / 571 = 0.9159 (.915sv%)

If he plays the whole 60 minutes:
12 GP - 2.22 GAA - .919sv%
46 goals X 60 / 1,243 = 2.220 (2.22 GAA)
542 / 590 = 0.9186 (.919sv%)

This is assuming the rest of the game unfolded as it has.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 31 March 2013 - 04:03 PM.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

This simply will not happen

This.
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Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:58 PM

Trade Schneider while his stock is high. This is Luongo's team but the team NEEDS help.

BUF
Schneider

VAN
Ott
Myers
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Edler

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Couturier
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:04 PM

^ Yup. Build a better team around Luongo. Schneider garners a better return.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:18 PM

I feel bad for Lu. As great as Cory started this game (phenomenal) if the guys in front dont do their job were gonna get blown out. The best defense is a good offence and Ive found our playoff blowouts are similar to this where its not poor goaltending but lack of offence that leads to our demise.

Lu has this rep as a choker, but Cory has shown that at some point great goaltending only gets you so far.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:18 PM

we have a good goalie no matter who we trade, so if the better return is by trading Luongo then do it, if they better return is by trading Schneider then do it. but fracking do something Gillis
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:28 PM

I feel bad for Lu. As great as Cory started this game (phenomenal) if the guys in front dont do their job were gonna get blown out. The best defense is a good offence and Ive found our playoff blowouts are similar to this where its not poor goaltending but lack of offence that leads to our demise.

Lu has this rep as a choker, but Cory has shown that at some point great goaltending only gets you so far.


Finally someone else says it. As I said numerous times, Schneider will suffer in Vancouver. Luongo is an elite goaltender and single handey stabilised this franchise qhen he arrived. The team in front of him is mediocre. We've known that for a long, long time. Some just forgot the times before Luongo came in. It was bad.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:34 PM

It only makes sense to trade Cory since he will give a better return.

MG should get no less than a 1st, a top 6 forward and a prospect
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:32 PM

for what its worth, which isn't much but its been a slow process with the goalies, but I asked Eklund on twitter what he's "heard" or thinks the canucks should do. He said Schneider to NJ for Zajac and picks. Not sure how I like trading Schneids but something to think about.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:34 PM

The Formula for GAA: multiply the number of goals allowed by 60 and divide by the total number of minutes played.
The Formula for sv%: Divide the number of saves made by the number of shots on goal. Work it out to 3 decimal places.

Schneider:
12GP - 2.23 GAA - .923sv%
44 goals X 60 / 1,186 = 2.225 (2.23 GAA)
525 saves / 569 shots against = 0.9226 (.923sv%)

Before yesterday's game:
11GP - 2.13 GAA - .925sv%
42 goals X 60 / 1,184 = 2.128 (2.13 GAA)
525 / 567 = 0.9926 (.925sv%)

If he were to have been kept in for all four goals, total 7:53 min, four shots by the 7:53 mark and then pulled:
12GP - 2.32 GAA - .915sv%
46 goals X 60 / 1,191 = 2.317 (2.32 GAA)
523 / 571 = 0.9159 (.915sv%)

If he plays the whole 60 minutes:
12 GP - 2.22 GAA - .919sv%
46 goals X 60 / 1,243 = 2.220 (2.22 GAA)
542 / 590 = 0.9186 (.919sv%)

This is assuming the rest of the game unfolded as it has.

I'm missing the point here.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:36 PM

Shopping Schneider would be smart. That alone would raise Luongos value by giving us more options and alleviating any pressure. We should definitely pull the trigger if anything along the lines of 1st +top 6 comes around.
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.





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