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#61 Kassian's Face

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:36 PM

Statistically speaking, we have to have at least one playoff run where the opposition goalies choke more then our own. And yes our forwards need to score, blah blah blah.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

^ Backstrom isn't the type of player I want. We need more bull in china shop type players. Plus his cap hit is too high.


I disagree. Backstrom could be exactly the type of guy the Canucks need. He wouldn't be the only piece as we do need some more jam too, I don't disagree with that.

Backstrom could compliment the Canucks a lot, assuming he is healthy, and could be the vital linchpin on the 2nd PP unit to make it explosive. He has the ability to make players around him better and more productive.

It's true he has a big cap hit but it the trade was something like the following it could make a big improvement to the team. (It's not a serious proposal)

To Was: Luongo, Ballard, Booth, 1st = $13.8 mil

To Van: Carlson, Backstrom, Brouwer = $13.4 mil

Sedin-Sedin-Burr
Higgins-Backstrom-Brouwer
Raymond-Kesler-Schroeder
Kassian-Lappy-Hansen

Hamhius-Bieksa
Edler-Carlson
Garrison-Tanev

Schneider

Wolski-Ribiero-OV
Booth-Laich-Ward
Chimera-Johansson-Fehr
Crabb/Beagle/Hendricks/Perrault

Alzner-Green
Ballard-Poti
Schultz/Erskine-Hamrlik

Luongo
Holtby
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

I disagree. Backstrom could be exactly the type of guy the Canucks need. He wouldn't be the only piece as we do need some more jam too, I don't disagree with that.

Backstrom could compliment the Canucks a lot, assuming he is healthy, and could be the vital linchpin on the 2nd PP unit to make it explosive. He has the ability to make players around him better and more productive.

It's true he has a big cap hit but it the trade was something like the following it could make a big improvement to the team. (It's not a serious proposal)

To Was: Luongo, Ballard, Booth, 1st = $13.8 mil

To Van: Carlson, Backstrom, Brouwer = $13.4 mil

Sedin-Sedin-Burr
Higgins-Backstrom-Brouwer
Raymond-Kesler-Schroeder
Kassian-Lappy-Hansen

Hamhius-Bieksa
Edler-Carlson
Garrison-Tanev

Schneider

Wolski-Ribiero-OV
Booth-Laich-Ward
Chimera-Johansson-Fehr
Crabb/Beagle/Hendricks/Perrault

Alzner-Green
Ballard-Poti
Schultz/Erskine-Hamrlik

Luongo
Holtby


Don't think there's even a chance that Washington does that trade.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:45 PM

Schneider + booth/Ray + hamhuis
For
Neuvy + poti/hamrlik(both Ufa) + backstrom.

I would prefer to keep raymond
Backstrom can center ... move kes to wing... he would do wonders with bwckstrom feeding him


That pretty bad dude, and by pretty bad I mean really bad.

Schneider, Kesler, Booth

for

Backstrom, Alzner/Carlsson


This is a bit closer than apollo's but still isn't quite fair value IMO and wouldn't help us anymore than what we currently have.

Not much of a "report" really. More of the same recycled not-quite-news.


Bingo. Really just more recycled speculation, there was nothing prominent behind this other than hockey people stating the obvious while adding in a dribble of there own opinion/spin.

Schneider should still be the guy, infact we should look to trade Lu as soon as we can IMO, then let Cory go with it. This situation started out great but really isn't as good as it seems, especially since we need a center and having both guys here still isn't helping either of them.

How would u change it


To Vancouver: Marcus Johansson, Dmitry Orlov, Aaron Volpatti, Micheal Neuvirth, 2nd

To Washington: Roberto Luongo, Kevin Connaution, Andrew Ebbett, Guilluame Desbiens, 5th

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 28 February 2013 - 04:47 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:53 PM

To Vancouver: Marcus Johansson, Dmitry Orlov, Aaron Volpatti, Micheal Neuvirth, 2nd

To Washington: Roberto Luongo, Kevin Connaution, Andrew Ebbett, Guilluame Desbiens, 5th


That's more fair than my proposal but I'm not sold on trading Lu or Cory in a package that we don't get back a proven star. I'm all for young talent, but our cup window is closing
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

WSH reportedly doesn't have interest in Lu as per TSN.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:13 PM

After all this dicking around with Schneider, he's obviously not stoked on the way its been handled. What if we trade Luongo, and then Schneider chooses to entertain free agency and some other team makes a ridiculous offer he cant refuse.

Then we'd be looking really silly for trading Luongo and then losing Schneider. More than silly, we'd be effed completely.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:25 PM

That's more fair than my proposal but I'm not sold on trading Lu or Cory in a package that we don't get back a proven star. I'm all for young talent, but our cup window is closing


We can let it close completely or we can add young talent and sustain it longer.

Plus adding a star now (which isn't as realistic or likely as people would like to think it is) would then destroy us next year. Like we would become Chicago after they won the cup, and any chance at a cup is them completely gone, atleast this way with young players, we keep our depth and our star power. And those players can help out now too.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:30 PM

We can let it close completely or we can add young talent and sustain it longer.

Plus adding a star now (which isn't as realistic or likely as people would like to think it is) would then destroy us next year. Like we would become Chicago after they won the cup, and any chance at a cup is them completely gone, atleast this way with young players, we keep our depth and our star power. And those players can help out now too.


"we would become Chicago after they won the cup"...

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"we would become Chicago after they won the cup"...
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#70 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:35 PM

"we would become Chicago after they won the cup"...

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"we would become Chicago after they won the cup"...


We would become Chicago after they won the cup, I never said we would follow suit with the prior success, under AV I bet we would sacrifice it all for one spot, then we would choke.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:40 PM

We would become Chicago after they won the cup, I never said we would follow suit with the prior success, under AV I bet we would sacrifice it all for one spot, then we would choke.


"we would become Chicago after they won the cup"...

I'm trying to see beyond the doom and gloom of this statement...

"AFTER THEY WON THE CUP"...

On another note:

Marian Hossa
2009/07/01 - Signed as an unrestricted free agent by the Chicago Blackhawks.

You guessed it, a superstar put them over the top.

You're not going to win anything any time soon with rookies and picks. The Canucks aren't the Edmonton Oilers here. They're the Mighty Vancouver Canucks.

Top scoring winger, center or top defenseman is what's needed here; not eventual help in some years to come.

I understand your philosophy in acquiring future help but at this time, I fear it is the absolute wrong course of action to take.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 28 February 2013 - 05:48 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:42 PM

Garbage thread.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:52 PM

Garbage thread.


Why look at who comes to play. You are now exposed as a Luongo hater, not an objective sense maker.

Care to elaborate on what your thoughts are regarding the matter?
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

just trade one already this is getting ridiculous. Bring in a #2C and a prospect and demote Kes to the third until he learns to do the things that made him successful to begin with.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:31 PM

Schneider to NYI for Streit, Neidereitter, and Nielson at the deadline.

Solves our need for a puck mover to get our powerplay going. A stud prospect for the future. And a third line center play maker that gives us three solid scoring lines.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:53 PM

I find some of these trade proposals comical.
Lets not forget the Capitals traded Varlamovs rights (he was a rfa) for a top 10 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Schneider a much better goalie than Varlamov with a lot more potential and under contract for 3 years?

I think the Flyers will be the most aggresive team to get one of our goalies. They have lots of size in Hartnell, Voracek and Simmonds. I would think one of them could be involved with a young centre and a pick.

Edited by Italia2006, 28 February 2013 - 06:58 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

We can let it close completely or we can add young talent and sustain it longer.

Plus adding a star now (which isn't as realistic or likely as people would like to think it is) would then destroy us next year. Like we would become Chicago after they won the cup, and any chance at a cup is them completely gone, atleast this way with young players, we keep our depth and our star power. And those players can help out now too.


would that really be so bad? they won it in 2010, still made the playoffs in 2011 after losing alot of their depth and almost took us out as the 8th seed, made the playoffs again last year but ran into a red hot Mike Smith, and are currently the #1 team in the league this year. I'd take that along with the cup win prior to all of it

Edited by Primus099, 28 February 2013 - 06:57 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:59 PM

would that really be so bad? they won it in 2010, still made the playoffs in 2011 after losing alot of their depth and almost took us out as the 8th seed, made the playoffs again last year but ran into a red hot Mike Smith, and are currently the #1 team in the league this year. I'd take that along with the cup win prior to all of it


Is back to back 1st round losses bad? Yeah I think so.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:05 PM

Is back to back 1st round losses bad? Yeah I think so.


Is having one of the deepest prospect pools?
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:06 PM

Is having one of the deepest prospect pools?


Chicago???
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:14 PM

Chicago???


Yes, Chicago.
They did an excellent job of getting good assets for those players they moved.

Saad
Pirri
Beach
Hayes
Smith
Clendenning
Teravainen
Danault
McNeill
Shaw
Shalunov
Johns
Olsen


The Canucks don't have half of that.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:17 PM

I wonder who our team will receive for Schneider.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:20 PM

Schneider to NYI for Streit, Neidereitter, and Nielson at the deadline.

Solves our need for a puck mover to get our powerplay going. A stud prospect for the future. And a third line center play maker that gives us three solid scoring lines.


That's not bad. Possibly add Ballard in there?
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:20 PM

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:24 PM

Yes, Chicago.
They did an excellent job of getting good assets for those players they moved.

Saad
Pirri
Beach
Hayes
Smith
Clendenning
Teravainen
Danault
McNeill
Shaw
Shalunov
Johns
Olsen


The Canucks don't have half of that.


They didn't get all those guys from blowing things up, and we wont have that in 2 years anyways
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:42 PM

It makes all the sense to trade Schneider now.

We got Eddie Lack, who will be our future. If Luongo goes, Lack will be gone soon too because he won't want to back up Schneider for many years, while Schneider is trying to become a number 1.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:48 PM

It makes all the sense to trade Schneider now.

We got Eddie Lack, who will be our future. If Luongo goes, Lack will be gone soon too because he won't want to back up Schneider for many years, while Schneider is trying to become a number 1.


No he wouldnt, if anything, it makes sure CS doesnt feel too comfortable like Luongo was in 08/09 when he didnt have CS competing for his job.

Also backing up CS>>>>>>>backing up Luongo for another decade lol.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:53 PM

Schneider to NYI for Streit, Neidereitter, and Nielson at the deadline.

Solves our need for a puck mover to get our powerplay going. A stud prospect for the future. And a third line center play maker that gives us three solid scoring lines.


Im a big streit fan!

like this alot !
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:54 PM

No he wouldnt, if anything, it makes sure CS doesnt feel too comfortable like Luongo was in 08/09 when he didnt have CS competing for his job.

Also backing up CS>>>>>>>backing up Luongo for another decade lol.

No Lack will be backing up Schneider a lot longer than Lu strictly based on age. Schneider is still trying to establish himself and if he is our number 1 and plays well, Lack will be backing him up for a long time while Schnieder is in his prime.

Based on potenital Schnieder should have a solid 8-10 years, Lu only has 3-4 tops of solid years. Trading Schnieder now is not a problem when we got another young goalie with potential waiting.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:09 PM

No Lack will be backing up Schneider a lot longer than Lu strictly based on age. Schneider is still trying to establish himself and if he is our number 1 and plays well, Lack will be backing him up for a long time while Schnieder is in his prime.

Based on potenital Schnieder should have a solid 8-10 years, Lu only has 3-4 tops of solid years. Trading Schnieder now is not a problem when we got another young goalie with potential waiting.


What if CS decides he doesnt want to play in a fish bowl anymore and bolts after his contract is up?

Would rather back up a goaltender whose locked up for over a decade or a the guy with the 3 year contract? alot can happen in 3 years.
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