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#1 Lui's Knob

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:51 AM

I'll give MG some credit as the current Canucks GM that he's had a very impressive and quality start to his tenure, up until the surprising Hodgson deal. He's tried to make some bold moves (signing Sundin, signing Luongo to long term deal), attempted to find some reclamation project players (Torres, Lapierre, etc), but I feel lately his player/asset management has been nothing but an embarassing and oddly inexplicable failure...


1) Luongo/Schneider debacle since the playoffs and the fact he's still here (including the drama with McPhee and Nonis)

2) Malhotra decision (which appears he wants out but Gillis doesn't want him traded)

3) Inexplicable reason for putting Volpatti on waivers (and getting nothing for him in return; perhaps McPhee's way of accepting Gillis' apology)

4) The whole Kesler injury thing with him, his Agent and AV/MG

5) Kesler again playing injured when he should of sat (played on a broken foot since Dallas game; now out 1-2 months)

6) Kassian getting 5 minutes on the 4th line (how does this help his play when we need him to be contributing on the top 6 forwards?)

7) Picking up Cam Barker....Cam Barker?? (how about Ben Lovejoy for a pick?)

8) Inability to recognize the team has been missing a major intangible (drive?determination/scoring?coaching?depth? special teams?toughness?grit?leadership?ethic?) in their game since the SC Finals or at least since the Boston game last year...

9) The constant dealing with Florida and somehow we end up with damaged and somewhat overpriced goods (see Booth = injured, overvalued; Ballard = also injured, tough tranisition, still barely played; and even now Garrison= again also injured, tough start to season, although I'll give him more time to adjust but not off to a great start)


Who knows who's making the calls particularly this season (let's hope it's not Dave Gagner, our Florida 'throw-in' for Bure and who mis-managed Cody at the time), but they're not like previous years of asset management/top class NHL standard under MG's reign...what gives?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:53 AM

The thing that bothers me the most is Kassian is on the 4th ???? line, If he's not going to help us for another couple seasons then MG should have kept Hodgson or traded him for some help now.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:56 AM

All depends on the big picture /plan. But with what's been made known to the public, the things that actually have happened and haven't and the situation at hand and how it has been implemented - is questionable.

Up until last summer, I think GMMG has done a good job. Now I'm not so sure about what he's been up to lately...

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:57 AM

Totally agree. MG has, as I put it lost focus. I site it further back though. I think it starts with the Samualsson deal.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:59 AM

Explain how Kesler's injury relates to asset management please.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:00 PM

All depends on the big picture /plan. But with what's been made known to the public, the things that actually have happened and haven't and the situation at hand and how it has been implemented - is questionable.

Up until last summer, I think GMMG has done a good job. Now I'm not so sure about what he's been up to lately...


Come on, the big picture just doesn't exist. It is just something we use to excuse his total lack of focus and ability to get his man. He not only NEVER gets a player anyone else would want but he lets players even WE WANT get away.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:00 PM

He really seems lost right now. Watch him trade Luongo and we get another player like Booth back as our main piece.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

5) is clearly false. It has been reported by numerous sources that two prior CT scans came back as negative for any sort of fracture. As soon as the third CT scan showed a fracture, Kesler was placed on IR.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

Ok i agree someone is asleep at the wheel of this ship. however, lets at least assign blame to the right spots if we are going to do this;

1) lluongo/schneider is a good thing. If it werent for 2 awsome goalies we would be a basement team this year.
2) I agree malhotra should be traded if he wants to play still. Only good if someone wants him tho.
3) remains to be seen what the reason for this is, Im sure an interviewer will ask.
4) whaat? kesler was trolling the media.
5) A broken foot can feel like a bruising (remember it was missed by x-rays), Also a skate-boot makes a pretty damn good cast. at least blame the medical staff for clearing him to play. Last i checked MG doesnt do medical.
6) This is a coaching decision, you nut. MG doesnt coach.
7) Barker is a depth pickup. he hasnt even played in the big club this year. Why does it matter?
8) again you seem to be confusing MG for part of the coaching staff.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:09 PM

Hasn't done anything of value since losing game 7 in the cup final.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

I remember when we won 6 games in a row, and management looked liked they could do no wrong, especially with how both goalies were doing well. Now they're both doing poor, we're 2-2-2 and they're awful. But look on the brightside, we're in a division with Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesota, and Colorado...

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

having 2 goalies is no longer making any sense, especially when we are getting injured.
Trade schneider and be done with it, we have Lack, Cannata and if we get a high first pick in this years draft, then we can use our own first rounder this year to draft a goaltender

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:32 PM

Explain how Kesler's injury relates to asset management please.


It doesn't.

Kesler broke his foot blocking a shot. This injury had nothing to do with his previous injury. Nothing indicates playing the games after the foot injury made the foot injury worse. Even then, would the GM even be invovled in the decision to play Kesler? Isn't that a decision for the medical and coaching staff?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

Canuck Fans...... :picard:

1) Luongo/Schneider debacle since the playoffs and the fact he's still here (including the drama with McPhee and Nonis) Yea i really hate Gillis , Damn him for giving us the best goaltending duo over the last three years :sadno:

2) Malhotra decision (which appears he wants out but Gillis doesn't want him traded) Malhotra will be part of the coaching staff him and Gillis talked about other options for next year thats why he wasnt traded

3) Inexplicable reason for putting Volpatti on waivers (and getting nothing for him in return; perhaps McPhee's way of accepting Gillis' apologyoh my Gillis just gave away a career minor leaguer for nothing :picard:

4) The whole Kesler injury thing with him, his Agent and AV
MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE BLAMING KESLER HIS AGENT AND THE MEDIA

5) Kesler again playing injured when he should of sat (played on a broken foot since Dallas game; now out 1-2 months)
XRAYS SHOWED NO BROKEN BONES WHEN HE CAME HOME THEY DID A CT SCAN shows a hairline fracture

6) Kassian getting 5 minutes on the 4th line (how does this help his play when we need him to be contributing on the top 6 forwards?) ever herd of a utility player can play all 4 lines thats a tool for AV to utilise

7) Picking up Cam Barker....Cam Barker?? (how about Ben Lovejoy for a pick?)
wow crying about barker ... the guy hasnt even played yet :emot-parrot:

8) Inability to recognize the team has been missing a major intangible (drive?determination/scoring?coaching?depth? special teams?toughness?grit?leadership?ethic?) in their game since the SC Finals or at least since the Boston game last year...
you do realize the canucks are stanley cup favorites right we have plenty of drive?determination/scoring?coaching?depth? special teams?toughness?grit?leadership?ethic?

9) The constant dealing with Florida and somehow we end up with damaged and somewhat overpriced goods (see Booth = injured, overvalued; Ballard = also injured, tough tranisition, still barely played; and even now Garrison= again also injured, tough start to season, although I'll give him more time to adjust but not off to a great start
only thing I agree with is signing ballard

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:48 PM

cdc has so many people that are smarter than gillis, better coaches than AV and better players than what's on the team...personally, i've never managed, coach or played in the nhl, so i can't say that i'm right and they are wrong...what i like about them, is they don't panic and make dumb moves that don't help the club or fit into the cap space.....AV will get this team back on track and gillis will make changes that make sense...

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:56 PM

Totally agree. MG has, as I put it lost focus. I site it further back though. I think it starts with the Samualsson deal.


MG had a plan to build a team based on what he thought the NHL wanted which was speed and finnesse. When the league decided to allow the Bruins to brutalize those kinds of players with impunity in front of the whoel world, it was obvious, MG missed the boat (perhaps not his fault).

His ability to re-build the team to one that can withstand that kind of playing environment while retaining it's offence has been less than stellar.

He appears lost as to what the identity of this team is and it shows in the on-ice product.

HIs decision (or support) to go with Cory in the playoffs last year was a bold one and could be respected at the time. Had he dealt aLU and set the team on a new direction, it woudl have made sense. Failing to pull the trigger before this seaosn started has not played well with LU's value or the team (Cory) and now is a mess.

MG really needs to pull a rabbit from his hat that addresses all this and puts the team back on a clear path. RIght now, it looks like a rudderless ship.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:56 PM

cdc has so many people that are smarter than gillis, better coaches than AV and better players than what's on the team...personally, i've never managed, coach or played in the nhl, so i can't say that i'm right and they are wrong...what i like about them, is they don't panic and make dumb moves that don't help the club or fit into the cap space.....AV will get this team back on track and gillis will make changes that make sense...


You always post this...I'd rather that then fans with this mentality that are okay with a really good team playing mediocre...

It's a message board for the Canucks, of course people are going to express their views on how to improve the team.

I think 7 years is a pretty long time for a coach with an elite team, sorry to say.

You can say Gillis doesn't panic but he does make some dumb moves, well he hasn't really made any good moves since that year we went to the finals....

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:23 PM

MG had a plan to build a team based on what he thought the NHL wanted which was speed and finnesse. When the league decided to allow the Bruins to brutalize those kinds of players with impunity in front of the whoel world, it was obvious, MG missed the boat (perhaps not his fault).

His ability to re-build the team to one that can withstand that kind of playing environment while retaining it's offence has been less than stellar.

He appears lost as to what the identity of this team is and it shows in the on-ice product.

HIs decision (or support) to go with Cory in the playoffs last year was a bold one and could be respected at the time. Had he dealt aLU and set the team on a new direction, it woudl have made sense. Failing to pull the trigger before this seaosn started has not played well with LU's value or the team (Cory) and now is a mess.

MG really needs to pull a rabbit from his hat that addresses all this and puts the team back on a clear path. RIght now, it looks like a rudderless ship.


in a nutshell, that was MG's fatal flaw. Hockey is and always will be a physical game first and foremost. It has been proven over and over and over that physicality always trumps pure skill. Teams that are successful have found a mix of the two attributes. MG has not.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:26 PM

The thing that bothers me the most is Kassian is on the 4th ???? line, If he's not going to help us for another couple seasons then MG should have kept Hodgson or traded him for some help now.

this just proves how brainless MG is , when that trade went down he looked into the camera with a straight face and said this is the player we need in our lineup today to help this team go deep in the playoffs , no one else anywhere said he was ready to make an impact but MG. All analysts on tsn, sportsnet ect all said kassian is still a few years away from making an impact but MG thought he knew better than them. and he was dead wrong. hes coasting on a core of players that nonis and burke put in place. MG and AV are the equvilant of bill clinton (hear me out) everyone looks back to how good the economy was in the states when bill was incharge, he was a good pres ,but the tech and internet boom that provided hundreds of thousands of jobs in the states just happend to happen when he was president he had nothing to do with it. MG and AV just happen to be in charge when these great players that other GMs brought in hit their prime. AV didnt turn sedins kesler burrows ect into the players they are and MG didnt bring them in.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:34 PM

this just proves how brainless MG is , when that trade went down he looked into the camera with a straight face and said this is the player we need in our lineup today to help this team go deep in the playoffs , no one else anywhere said he was ready to make an impact but MG. All analysts on tsn, sportsnet ect all said kassian is still a few years away from making an impact but MG thought he knew better than them. and he was dead wrong. hes coasting on a core of players that nonis and burke put in place. MG and AV are the equvilant of bill clinton (hear me out) everyone looks back to how good the economy was in the states when bill was incharge, he was a good pres ,but the tech and internet boom that provided hundreds of thousands of jobs in the states just happend to happen when he was president he had nothing to do with it. MG and AV just happen to be in charge when these great players that other GMs brought in hit their prime. AV didnt turn sedins kesler burrows ect into the players they are and MG didnt bring them in.


Totally agree. I guarantee we won't make it past the 2nd round unless there is some big changes.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:35 PM

5) is clearly false. It has been reported by numerous sources that two prior CT scans came back as negative for any sort of fracture. As soon as the third CT scan showed a fracture, Kesler was placed on IR.

Injured is injured and a player knows. Why do you think they kept taking scans: because Kesler kept saying that he was not right. Yet, until a doc says he sees something, he plays-- that is what people are talking about, playing someone injured.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:38 PM

this just proves how brainless MG is , when that trade went down he looked into the camera with a straight face and said this is the player we need in our lineup today to help this team go deep in the playoffs , no one else anywhere said he was ready to make an impact but MG. All analysts on tsn, sportsnet ect all said kassian is still a few years away from making an impact but MG thought he knew better than them. and he was dead wrong. hes coasting on a core of players that nonis and burke put in place. MG and AV are the equvilant of bill clinton (hear me out) everyone looks back to how good the economy was in the states when bill was incharge, he was a good pres ,but the tech and internet boom that provided hundreds of thousands of jobs in the states just happend to happen when he was president he had nothing to do with it. MG and AV just happen to be in charge when these great players that other GMs brought in hit their prime. AV didnt turn sedins kesler burrows ect into the players they are and MG didnt bring them in.


I have absolutely no issues with the kassian-Hodgson move. Hodgson was a primadonna and so deficient in his own end it was hard to watch at times. Kassian is a dose of what this team needs.......he just needs to be put in a better position to succeed.

I actually think JS is a better all around player than CH

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:53 PM

I have absolutely no issues with the kassian-Hodgson move. Hodgson was a primadonna and so deficient in his own end it was hard to watch at times. Kassian is a dose of what this team needs.......he just needs to be put in a better position to succeed.

I actually think JS is a better all around player than CH

I agree
Hodgson is a good player but not what the canucks are missing. we dont need play-making centers , Canucks need big bodied forwards

Yes Hodgson is getting points playing on the top line. he would do the same here if he was playing with the sedins

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:07 PM

I agree
Hodgson is a good player but not what the canucks are missing. we dont need play-making centers , Canucks need big bodied forwards

Yes Hodgson is getting points playing on the top line. he would do the same here if he was playing with the sedins

since when do we not need a playmaking centre? that is what our second line is missing desperatly even with kesler healthy hes a terrible second line centre just for that fact alone that hes not a playmaker both 1st and 2nd line centres need to be play makers .....

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

I agree
Hodgson is a good player but not what the canucks are missing. we dont need play-making centers , Canucks need big bodied forwards

Yes Hodgson is getting points playing on the top line. he would do the same here if he was playing with the sedins


......Yea a playmakin C is exactly what this team needs and has needed. The guy could bump Kesler out to wing, and then boom, both problems are solved.


We went from being one of the deepest teams in the league at center, to having 1.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:04 PM

I'm super bummed over Volpati... Liked him much, much better than Weise

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:08 PM

......Yea a playmakin C is exactly what this team needs and has needed. The guy could bump Kesler out to wing, and then boom, both problems are solved.


We went from being one of the deepest teams in the league at center, to having 1.


this team is much better without a primadona, one dimensional 23 year old bitching about not getting enough icetime when he plays behind a hart trophy winner and a selke winner

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

Totally agree. MG has, as I put it lost focus. I site it further back though. I think it starts with the Samualsson deal.


It is one decision I will defend. Booth gives us an element we did not have before. He would've been a 20+ goal scorer if he had played 82 games last year with us. Hey, at least he is not concussed.

Look at Sammy now. How is he doing? How long of a career does he have left? Sturm?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:37 PM

in a nutshell, that was MG's fatal flaw. Hockey is and always will be a physical game first and foremost. It has been proven over and over and over that physicality always trumps pure skill. Teams that are successful have found a mix of the two attributes. MG has not.


Explain the Red Wings cups. Hawks 3 years ago. And the Hawks now.

Do I have to keep remaining you that Boston won not only because they were tough, but they also had skills, speed, tenacity and good defence/goaltending.

We lost because Kesler hurt himself, Hamhuis hurt himself, Rome got suspended, Ballard couldn't play and Luongo had a mini choke. If it wasn't for these factors we would've won in 6.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:41 PM

this team is much better without a primadona, one dimensional 23 year old bitching about not getting enough icetime when he plays behind a hart trophy winner and a selke winner


I dont think anyone in the Canucks locker room even now would ever call Cody anything remotely close to primadonna.
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