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#31 MillerGenuineDraft


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:38 PM

Bingo... And if you learn about the meat industry, fruit and veg & how things are irradiated and such..... its disgusting.

All of it comes down to corporations and lobbying, they lobby the FDA & others to do whatever increases there pocketbooks.

It's not about the consumer, its about the dollar.

Exactly. I'm taking environmental history at UBC, and the amount of corn that is being consumed for practically everything is also going to harm us in the longer run.

At the end of the day, farming isn't what it used to be. It's all about supporting the economy, not families.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:47 PM

Exactly. I'm taking environmental history at UBC, and the amount of corn that is being consumed for practically everything is also going to harm us in the longer run.

At the end of the day, farming isn't what it used to be. It's all about supporting the economy, not families.

Yup, fructose corn syrup etc..... most of it is now GMO too

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:56 PM

Here's a good one about food and diet.

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The problem is that people don't care enough about proper nutrition, don't know enough about proper nutrition, or can't afford the cost of proper nutrition,

Not to mention the fact that the sugar content of our diet has gone up and up. Even the sugar content of fruits and veggies has gone up through selection and gene manipulation,

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:27 PM

Lol for everyone of those, I find another scientific source discrediting it: http://www.livestrong.com/article/548574-soy-protein-male-breasts/

Gynecomastia is the abnormally large growth of breast tissue in boys and adult men. Most often gynecomastia is associated with an imbalance between the hormones testosterone and estrogen. Soy contains a variety of chemicals, including phytoestrogens, or “plant estrogens.” The link between gynecomastia and soy proteins has yet to be fully established and the two cannot be linked without further human studies.


Soy protein contains two hormone-like substances called genistein and daidzein, according to Dr. Miguel A. Delgado. These chemicals have a structure and function similar to the human hormone estrogen. When ingested in large quantities, these phytoestrogens cause your estrogen levels to rise. High estrogen levels may theoretically stimulate the production of breast tissue and lead to gynecomastia. However, there are no studies to demonstrate that soy has this effect on human tissue. More research is necessary to determine if soy increases your risk of gynecomastia.

Soy and Gynecomastia

An article in a 2008 issue of “Endocrine Practice” reported on a case in which the patient had developed gynecomastia due to the ingestion of soy products. This is an unusual and rare condition that occurred when the patient started drinking 3 quarts of soy milk per day. Once he stopped drinking the soy milk, there was a significant reduction in the size of his breast tissue. This study provides evidence that there may be a link between soy and gynecomastia, but the exact association will need further elucidation.

Evidence Against Soy Causing Gynecomastia

Elevations in the levels of genistein and daidzein do not correlate with an increased risk of gynecomastia. A study published in the January 2002 edition of the “American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" found that high levels of phytoestrogens did not cause gynecomastia or other estrogenic effects in healthy men. This indicates that either soy is not linked to gynecomastia or that there are other factors that play a role in soy-based gynecomastia.

Treatment for Gynecomastia

Commonly, gynecomastia spontaneously resolves given enough time. However, if there is an underlying cause, such as hypogonadism, liver disease or malnutrition, then further treatment is often required. You may need to change your eating habits or undergo surgery. Corrective surgeries, like liposuction or mastectomies, may be necessary. Talk to your doctor about the potential treatment options available.

Bolded and italicized are the highlights. Essentially it was just the case of one guy drinking 3 quarts of soy milk a day, which is an excessive amount of soy. There doesn't seem to be a correlation found in the medical community which suggests a strong link between the two. As the article mentions, only excessive quantities may cause it, but the evidence is inconclusive.



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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:42 PM

they have sugar, because the way they make it is by adding a flavoured syrup to it, and the syrup requires a sweetener

Yeah I'm aware they use flavoured syrups with sugar. My point is that they COULD simply add natural strawberry flavour with the fruit's natural sugars as the only added sugar and they do not. Anybody drinking those thinking it's a remotely healthy choice based on it being milk, is wrong.

Even "normal" chocolate milk has less sugar in it than the chocolate Milk 2 Go stuff. I really just don't understand it's existence I guess...

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:59 PM

Normal chocolate milk is pretty damn good. The other drinks have way too much sugar. It's sad that they have to resort to adding sweetners to milk.

And yeah, too much of anything is generally bad. The soy milk thing is kind of ridiculous, for you to be affected you literally have to OD on the stuff daily. It is a healthy thing, the stories you hear people are drinking like obscene amounts. 3 quarts a day is like 10 glasses.

It's kind of sad that you can never think anything is just fact. The bad things people say for and against dairy and soy milk for example, could just be the other side trying to get biased results to smear the other.

On a random note about goats milk though, I remember I use to drink that way back in the day when I was lactose intolerant for awhile. It was actually pretty good.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:12 PM

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